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Ben O'Connor: Baby face becomes conqueror

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I disagree with this. You can’t stereotype. O’Conner might have temperament issues but I will reserve judgment until we see more of him. Plus, has every team leader had the spotlight publicly shone on them during a grand tour as O’Conner was on Netflix?

Leading a team in a grand tour isn’t what Roger Federer contends with playing tennis. I wonder how Fed would cope with what grand tour riders are asked to do? Dare I say he’d be more likely to lose his cool?

Other riders I recall who got prickly doing their job under pressure were Wiggins and Cadel. I’d call them winners?
Ha ha yeah Cadel on Netflix wouldn't have been pretty I reckon lol
 
O'Connor's problem is the fact he's not one of the best.

It means his emotional issues coupled with poor leadership on the road adds up to make him a pretty ineffective GC rider in a GT like the Tour. At one point Vincent Lavenu at the top of the Puy de Dôme basically questions the logic & sense in O'Connor screaming SH*T F*CK on the radio when he's getting dropped.

Cadel Evans meanwhile was one of the favorites to win the Tour during his prime (& achieved exactly that). That's the difference between a champion with a rough temperament who gets the job done & an 'okay rider' with temperament problems who freaks out & starts screaming as soon as he's dropped.
 
O'Connor's problem is the fact he's not one of the best.

It means his emotional issues coupled with poor leadership on the road adds up to make him a pretty ineffective GC rider in a GT like the Tour. At one point Vincent Lavenu at the top of the Puy de Dôme basically questions the logic & sense in O'Connor screaming SH*T F*CK on the radio when he's getting dropped.

Cadel Evans meanwhile was one of the favorites to win the Tour during his prime (& achieved exactly that). That's the difference between a champion with a rough temperament who gets the job done & an 'okay rider' with temperament problems who freaks out & starts screaming as soon as he's dropped.
He clearly feels a lot of pressure as leader, especially as a non French rider on a very French team. But even a lesser rider like Gaudu on an equally French team can act out, as we’ve seen.
 
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Great win today and a huge lead. He should not be underestimated.

O'Connor always seems to have at least 1 bad day during a race and gets caught up in a crash.
True, but he didn't when he came 4th in the 2021 Tour and at this year's Giro.
This will not help him compete against riders who are a few levels above him. He has to understand his limits.
Only Roglic. The rest he has to beat on GC at this Vuelta are not "a few" levels above him when he is riding well. I'd put him on similar level to Enric Mas.
Let's just say he is not a tactical cycling mastermind.
Also true in the past, but he's been around for a while now, it seems he has learned:-
great gusto and risk taking, and great tactics on a stage like today's
 
He has a great buffer over the rest, but will he be able to resist to.the likes of.Roglic, Landa, Mas in the mountains. There's alot of hard stages left
With the birth of his daughter O'Connor hasn't been racing much since the Giro, just San Sebastian and the Olympics.

He's been training with the Vuelta as his target since May so probably comes in more fresh than any other contender. Something to keep in mind IMHO.
 
He has a great buffer over the rest, but will he be able to resist to.the likes of.Roglic, Landa, Mas in the mountains. There's alot of hard stages left
I think he can win it.

After the same move on stage 9 Tour de France 2021, he had 3:46 on Mas, he held him off by 1:41.

This year in the Giro he beats Tiberi fair and square.

So Mas and Tiberi (and other riders on similar level - Landa, Gall - in the same team even, ...) he should be able to hold off.

Roglic and potentially Almeida I can see slightly stronger than the afore mentioned. But 4:51 and 4:59 is not nothing...
 
I think he can win it.

After the same move on stage 9 Tour de France 2021, he had 3:46 on Mas, he held him off by 1:41.

This year in the Giro he beats Tiberi fair and square.

So Mas and Tiberi (and other riders on similar level - Landa, Gall - in the same team even, ...) he should be able to hold off.

Roglic and potentially Almeida I can see slightly stronger than the afore mentioned. But 4:51 and 4:59 is not nothing...
Mas had two off days in that Tour: Mont Ventoux and Col de Portet.
O'Connor lost more than 6 minutes to Carapaz between stage 9 and the end of the race.
 
Defending the jersey is a real motivator - he clearly had that on his mind yesterday when he pushed on and didn't just settle for the stage win. The betting makes this a straight fight between Ben and Roglic - with the Slovenian a slight favourite. But I think Ben can do it - Roglic's team is not that strong and the other teams aren't going to help
 
i´m excited what Ben O´Connor and his team are doing in the next days. First test will be stage 9 with three category one climbs. What will they do to defend the leaders jersey?

For me it would be a smart option for UAE, Bora to send a rider like Sivakov, Del Toro (UAE) or Lipowitz, Vlasov (Bora) in the break. These riders are real GC factors but UAE or Bora wouldn´t chase them (as long as they are not gaining more than 6-7 minutes time).
Also riders from Visma (Kuss), Lotto (van Eetvelt), Bahrain (Tiberi, Haig), Movistar (Mas), Arkea (Rodriguez) would play it smart if they try to join the break.
All teams would look to decathlon and force them to do the work.
Just if the breakaway, with one of the mention riders in it, reaches the 6-7 minute advantage over the peloton i see other teams working. And in their view its better to be a minute or two behind maybe van Eetvelt than 5 minutes behind O´Connor.
So a lot of domestiques could be burned on the first two climbs and before. If O´Connor is isolated or maybe just with Gall on the last climb then i see attacks flying in and O´Connor could easily loose 3 - 5 Minutes on riders like Almeida and Roglic.

Exciting stages ahead.
 
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Are we ready to accept the peloton don’t understand the form O’Conner was in today and may come to accept defeat at their miscalculation? I see a lot of talk about the GC favorites laying back instead of keeping it close. But could they even? Was it a choice to not work or were they in the hurt locker just keeping the deficit at 5 minutes??
I’ve said this several times already, but it was teams inability (or stubborn unwillingness?) to adjust to the situation once it was clear the race had been turned on its head. So they just let the situation continue on.
 
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I’ve said this several times already, but it was teams inability (or stubborn unwillingness?) to adjust to the situation once it was clear the race had been turned on its head. So they just let the situation continue on.

It's a strange mentality. Teams not willing to chase GC 1st because it helps GC 2nd - even if it diminishes the chances of their own GC candidates.