Best and Worst National Champs jerseys

[RedheadDane]

But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

 

[jaylew]

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Eh... that's sideways. And Hagen's have the wrong shape for the cross.

I think they both look great. Anyway, at this point I don't really know how or if we're even disagreeing

You're against sideway flags, I'm pointing out that in some cases it's the only way to make it look right.
(But I don't seriously think flags with horisontal stripes should be turned sideways.)

Generally only when it's a flag consisting exclusively of vertical stripes which they turn horizontal.

 

[jaylew]

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But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

Ugh, that one is the absolute worst. And that's not really true. It is for some countries, certainly not all.

 

[RedheadDane]

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But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

Ugh, that one is the absolute worst. And that's not really true. It is for some countries, certainly not all.

What national champion jerseys - other than the British, Australian, and New Zealand - aren't in it's core a flag?

 

[jaylew]

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But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

Ugh, that one is the absolute worst. And that's not really true. It is for some countries, certainly not all.

What national champion jerseys - other than the British, Australian, and New Zealand - aren't in it's core a flag?

Well, you just proved my point.

 

[RedheadDane]

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But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

Ugh, that one is the absolute worst. And that's not really true. It is for some countries, certainly not all.

What national champion jerseys - other than the British, Australian, and New Zealand - aren't in it's core a flag?

Well, you just proved my point.

It's still the wast majority that goes the flag-route.

 

[Koronin]

The US one has got to be a pain no matter how you attempt to do.

 

[Leinster]

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But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

Ugh, that one is the absolute worst. And that's not really true. It is for some countries, certainly not all.

What national champion jerseys - other than the British, Australian, and New Zealand - aren't in it's core a flag?

 

[jaylew]

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But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

Ugh, that one is the absolute worst. And that's not really true. It is for some countries, certainly not all.

What national champion jerseys - other than the British, Australian, and New Zealand - aren't in it's core a flag?

Well, you just proved my point.

It's still the wast majority that goes the flag-route.

Sure, but not all. And many do a "semi-flag" rather than try to re-create it exactly, sideways or no. There are several examples of that, USA for one. Sometimes, it has stars, sometimes stripes, sometimes both and done differently in most years.

I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

 

[jaylew]

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But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

Ugh, that one is the absolute worst. And that's not really true. It is for some countries, certainly not all.

What national champion jerseys - other than the British, Australian, and New Zealand - aren't in it's core a flag?

That's nice.

 

[RedheadDane]

I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

Just convince the Belgians to have the red bit on the top, so the Germans can have the black bit.

And I suppose the simpler a flag is, the easier it is to design a good national jersey.

 

[Koronin]

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I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

Just convince the Belgians to have the red bit on the top, so the Germans can have the black bit.

And I suppose the simpler a flag is, the easier it is to design a good national jersey.

Well Movistar can't even manage to do a nice Spanish Champion jersey. That's not exactly a difficult flag to do deal with, but they just put a swoosh of color on the upper right breast and left shoulder it is really sad. They don't even try to do something with the two colors, don't mind the crown design on the flag that will never made it to the jersey.

 

[RedheadDane]

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I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

Just convince the Belgians to have the red bit on the top, so the Germans can have the black bit.

And I suppose the simpler a flag is, the easier it is to design a good national jersey.

Well Movistar can't even manage to do a nice Spanish Champion jersey. That's not exactly a difficult flag to do deal with, but they just put a swoosh of color on the upper right breast and left shoulder it is really sad. They don't even try to do something with the two colors, don't mind the crown design on the flag that will never made it to the jersey.

Apparently more and more teams are going down the sad route of "We must let team colours get precedence!"
Good thing there still are teams like QS and - in particular - FDJ around.

 

[Koronin]

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I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

Just convince the Belgians to have the red bit on the top, so the Germans can have the black bit.

And I suppose the simpler a flag is, the easier it is to design a good national jersey.

Well Movistar can't even manage to do a nice Spanish Champion jersey. That's not exactly a difficult flag to do deal with, but they just put a swoosh of color on the upper right breast and left shoulder it is really sad. They don't even try to do something with the two colors, don't mind the crown design on the flag that will never made it to the jersey.

Apparently more and more teams are going down the sad route of "We must let team colours get precedence!"
Good thing there still are teams like QS and - in particular - FDJ around.

Unfortunately there are. We really need more teams like QS and FDJ for the National Championship jerseys.

 

[tobydawq]

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I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

Just convince the Belgians to have the red bit on the top, so the Germans can have the black bit.

And I suppose the simpler a flag is, the easier it is to design a good national jersey.

Well Movistar can't even manage to do a nice Spanish Champion jersey. That's not exactly a difficult flag to do deal with, but they just put a swoosh of color on the upper right breast and left shoulder it is really sad. They don't even try to do something with the two colors, don't mind the crown design on the flag that will never made it to the jersey.

Just imagine the current Movistar jersey with red instead of blue and a yellow "M".

And yeah, they have managed to tone it even more down than the one in my profile pic which was from 2015. Of course, now it's toned away but that's probably not to their liking

 

[jaylew]

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I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

Just convince the Belgians to have the red bit on the top, so the Germans can have the black bit.

And I suppose the simpler a flag is, the easier it is to design a good national jersey.

Well Movistar can't even manage to do a nice Spanish Champion jersey. That's not exactly a difficult flag to do deal with, but they just put a swoosh of color on the upper right breast and left shoulder it is really sad. They don't even try to do something with the two colors, don't mind the crown design on the flag that will never made it to the jersey.

Apparently more and more teams are going down the sad route of "We must let team colours get precedence!"
Good thing there still are teams like QS and - in particular - FDJ around.

Pretty easy for FDJ when the team colors match the flag colors.

 

[RedheadDane]

What about Ludvigsson?
Though, I'm not so sure about this. Guess it's just a case of "that's how we do it in Lithuania".

 

[jaylew]

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What about Ludvigsson?
Though, I'm not so sure about this. Guess it's just a case of "that's how we do it in Lithuania".

Good point. I do like that they did the country colors on the bibs as well rather than use the team colors.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

Just convince the Belgians to have the red bit on the top, so the Germans can have the black bit.

And I suppose the simpler a flag is, the easier it is to design a good national jersey.

Well Movistar can't even manage to do a nice Spanish Champion jersey. That's not exactly a difficult flag to do deal with, but they just put a swoosh of color on the upper right breast and left shoulder it is really sad. They don't even try to do something with the two colors, don't mind the crown design on the flag that will never made it to the jersey.

They claim the sponsor forces them on the men's team.

Let's wait a few days to find out what Merino and Biannic's jerseys look like, and we'll find out if it's true


edit: just as I speak, Biannic posts hers

What about Ludvigsson?
Though, I'm not so sure about this. Guess it's just a case of "that's how we do it in Lithuania".

This makes it weirder:

http://tourdejose.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/20130101-012236.jpg

 

[Koronin]

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I really don't like the German one. Almost all white, with really thin flag stripes. I guess to make it look significantly different from the Belgian flipped striped jersey.

Just convince the Belgians to have the red bit on the top, so the Germans can have the black bit.

And I suppose the simpler a flag is, the easier it is to design a good national jersey.

Well Movistar can't even manage to do a nice Spanish Champion jersey. That's not exactly a difficult flag to do deal with, but they just put a swoosh of color on the upper right breast and left shoulder it is really sad. They don't even try to do something with the two colors, don't mind the crown design on the flag that will never made it to the jersey.

They claim the sponsor forces them on the men's team.

Let's wait a few days to find out what Merino and Biannic's jerseys look like, and we'll find out if it's true


edit: just as I speak, Biannic posts hers

What about Ludvigsson?
Though, I'm not so sure about this. Guess it's just a case of "that's how we do it in Lithuania".

This makes it weirder:

http://tourdejose.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/20130101-012236.jpg

If it's a case of sponsors forcing it on the men's team and not the women's, then we now have solid proof that they aren't really putting any money into the women's team and the women's team is truly nothing more than a tax write off. (Yes the Spanish govt put in place some sort of major tax break for increasing women's sports.) That actually might even be sadder.

 

[GuyIncognito]

I wouldn't go that far. Probably the sponsor contract didn't predict this so they took advantage.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Given the improvement in level from some of the women given the proper pro budget and racing calendar I wouldn't be so quick to write it off as a tax issue. However there was talk of Burgos starting up a women's team too, so there is the possibility of that given that, you know, Movistar have already hoovered up most of the best women in Spain...

But... that's the thing; a national champion jersey really is "just a flag"

Unless you're British, in which case you'll be wearing the Dutch flag for some reason…

Ugh, that one is the absolute worst. And that's not really true. It is for some countries, certainly not all.

What national champion jerseys - other than the British, Australian, and New Zealand - aren't in it's core a flag?

Here's one of Ash Moolman-Pasio's old jerseys, South Africa used to be similar but have adopted a flag-based one in recent years, possibly following pressure from the MTN team who started that tendency.

 

[Koronin]

The fact they signed most of the best Spanish female cyclists, the possibility of them having a national championship was fairly high.

I do actually hope the women's team isn't just a tax write for both team and sponsor.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

We haven't seen Eider's jersey yet though, it could be equally as bad as the men's ones.

Even back at Caisse d'Epargne, Florent Brard's jersey was a bit different to the Spanish ones in design (smaller central stripe, sponsor logo reduced with the logo to one side of the font rather than larger logo and font below):

Edit: and we still have to wait on Jasinska's.

 

[Koronin]

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We haven't seen Eider's jersey yet though, it could be equally as bad as the men's ones.

Even back at Caisse d'Epargne, Florent Brard's jersey was a bit different to the Spanish ones in design (smaller central stripe, sponsor logo reduced with the logo to one side of the font rather than larger logo and font below):

Edit: and we still have to wait on Jasinska's.

Interesting. Maybe it's just the Spanish Championship kits they don't like doing anything much with.