Best rider of the season?

[Pentacycle]

Purito isn't really multidimensional. He can sprint on an incline. Both in stage races and in one day races.

That's about it.

Isn't that what multidimensional means? Because GT's ≠ Monuments/races over 250kms.

 

[Arredondo]

Purito isn't really multidimensional. He can sprint on an incline. Both in stage races and in one day races.

That's about it.

Good one.

He can win monuments, one-day races, stage races and finish on podium in GT's ==> multidimensional.

Nibbles can win GT's, but is a average time-trialist, isn't a fantastic descender (although everyone says it, he just take a lot of riks, and crashes of course), a good (but not spectaculair climber), and can't win big classics for the moment

My personal opinion; they are both spectaculair champions, and multidimensional. Haters silly downgrade qualities of champions, which is a pity

 

[Netserk]

Isn't that what multidimensional means? Because GT's ≠ Monuments/races over 250kms.

No not really, since he does the same thing in both races.

 

[Arredondo]

No not really, since he does the same thing in both races.

And Nibbles doesn't?

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Good one.

He can win monuments, one-day races, stage races and finish on podium in GT's ==> multidimensional.

Nibbles can win GT's, but is a average time-trialist, isn't a fantastic descender (although everyone says it, he just take a lot of riks, and crashes of course), a good (but not spectaculair climber), and can't win big classics for the moment

My personal opinion; they are both spectaculair champions, and multidimensional. Haters silly downgrade qualities of champions, which is a pity

A little underestimation of Nibali, dont you think? Afterall he has 2 podium finishes in monuments, is actually a good descender and certainly one of the best climbers out there

 

[brilleaben]

How can anybody consider anyone else than Froome? He did the unprecedented Oman-TDF double, ffs.

 

[Ferminal]

I wouldn't have Nibali top3 but I guess that's what happens when your major achievement was six months ago

 

[theyoungest]

No not really, since he does the same thing in both races.

Most riders have one or two qualities which separate them from the rest. And Rodriguez has coupled his uphill sprinting to an increase in endurance. He has turned himself into a multidimensional rider, if you like.

 

[greenedge]

I voted for Froome.

Most impressive was Sagan.
Most fighting spirit Nibali.

Cancellara in the Classics was great... JROD did well to podium at the TDF but had a better year in 2012.

 

[SafeBet]

I wouldn't have Nibali top3 but I guess that's what happens when your major achievement was six months ago

Who are your top3?

 

[Leonardus]

1. Froome (Oman, Criterium, Romandie, Dauphine and Tour, no doubt the best rider this season)
2. Nibali (won TA and Trentino while beating Froome and Wiggo, was superior in the Giro, 2nd in Vuelta and 4th at WC. Should be enough for a second place.
3. Sagan (didn't win a monument and only 1 stage at the Tour but he has 22 wins this season which include a number of hard/hilly races and he was 2nd in Strade Bianchi, MSR, E3 and RVV.
4. Purito
5. Cancellara

 

[MartinGT]

Wiggins is a big runner for his dominant Tour of Britain win and ITT WC silver.

PSML

10 char

 

[Arredondo]

A little underestimation of Nibali, dont you think? Afterall he has 2 podium finishes in monuments, is actually a good descender and certainly one of the best climbers out there

I'm just trying to make clear every rider does have one or two strong points. Nibbles isn't that explosive, so he has to attack to win races, he always does that if there is no other possibilty. Does that make him a onedimensional rider? Doesn't think so.

Jrod is a multidimensional rider, because he can win classics and finish on the podium on GT's. He wins the way he does. Of course he can attack from 50 k out, but which rider (except of Cancellara) can manage that kind of solo? Even nibbles can't.

A example: Nibbles finish 3rd in the Tour, due to a lot of attacks in the mountains. Purito finish 3rd in the tour, after following in the mountains and jumps clear with 1 k to go. Nibali multideminsional and Purito onedimensional?

 

[Ferminal]

Who are your top3?

Froome, Purito, Cancellara... but that is without really thinking about it.

 

[Netserk]

I'm just trying to make clear every rider does have one or two strong points. Nibbles isn't that explosive, so he has to attack to win races, he always does that if there is no other possibilty. Does that make him a onedimensional rider? Doesn't think so.

Jrod is a multidimensional rider, because he can win classics and finish on the podium on GT's. He wins the way he does. Of course he can attack from 50 k out, but which rider (except of Cancellara) can manage that kind of solo? Even nibbles can't.

A example: Nibbles finish 3rd in the Tour, due to a lot of attacks in the mountains. Purito finish 3rd in the tour, after following in the mountains and jumps clear with 1 k to go. Nibali multideminsional and Purito onedimensional?

What is Cav then? He has won a monument, worlds, stage races and points jersey in all three GTs. Does that make him multidimensional?

 

[Hysminai]

That's a bad comparison, everything Cav has won was sprinting, he's just the best at what he does.

Jrod's punch isn't just better than the others. Most climbers can't win FW.

 

[Angliru]

Good one.

He can win monuments, one-day races, stage races and finish on podium in GT's ==> multidimensional.

Nibbles can win GT's, but is a average time-trialist, isn't a fantastic descender (although everyone says it, he just take a lot of riks, and crashes of course), a good (but not spectaculair climber), and can't win big classics for the moment

My personal opinion; they are both spectaculair champions, and multidimensional. Haters silly downgrade qualities of champions, which is a pity

How many other grand tour contenders even figure in the mix of a race like Milan-San Remo, let alone end up on the podium? For me Nibali is a throwback champion, racing like the heroes of old. He may not have won a classic (yet) but each year a new dimension in his arsenal emerges making him that much more formidable a rider.

 

[Arredondo]

What is Cav then? He has won a monument, worlds, stage races and points jersey in all three GTs. Does that make him multidimensional?

No, because al the things you bring into the discussion, are essentialy the same. MSR is a race for sprinters, if he wins stage races, he wins them by his sprint. He wins the points yersey because he is..... the best sprinter! The worlds was a flat race where in the end there was a .... sprint!

If you win, like Purito, Tour of Lombardy, you have to cope with shorter, steeper and more explosive climbs. In a GT, if you want to finish high up in GC, you have to conquer short climbs, but also true mountain passes. Two different kinds of climbing, so multifunctional!

 

[Arredondo]

How many other grand tour contenders even figure in the mix of a race like Milan-San Remo, let alone end up on the podium? For me Nibali is a throwback champion, racing like the heroes of old. He may not have won a classic (yet) but each year a new dimension in his arsenal emerges making him that much more formidable a rider.

I'm not saying he isn't a great champion. He is a true allrounder. But to say Jrod is a onedimensional rider, is ridiculous.

I'm convinced that guys like Jrod and Piti can finish on the podium in MSR to, just like Nibbles. I even give them more chance, because they are more explosive and do have a better sprint. It's just that they are not interested in La Primavera, although i think with the new route they might target it as well.

Nibbles racing like a champion in the old ages? Little bit overdone i think. He is a attacking rider, but the current hype is to much in my opinion.

 

[Pentacycle]

How many other grand tour contenders even figure in the mix of a race like Milan-San Remo, let alone end up on the podium? For me Nibali is a throwback champion, racing like the heroes of old. He may not have won a classic (yet) but each year a new dimension in his arsenal emerges making him that much more formidable a rider.

What's so special about Italian GT specialists targeting MSR? Pellizotto, Garzelli and Scarponi did it too.

 

[Angliru]

What's so special about Italian GT specialists targeting MSR? Pellizotto, Garzelli and Scarponi did it too.

Targeting and actually figuring prominently in the outcome is the huge gap that Nibali has over those guys.

 

[IndianCyclist]

I'm not saying he isn't a great champion. He is a true allrounder. But to say Jrod is a onedimensional rider, is ridiculous.

I'm convinced that guys like Jrod and Piti can finish on the podium in MSR to, just like Nibbles. I even give them more chance, because they are more explosive and do have a better sprint. It's just that they are not interested in La Primavera, although i think with the new route they might target it as well.

Nibbles racing like a champion in the old ages? Little bit overdone i think. He is a attacking rider, but the current hype is to much in my opinion.

Jrod is a 2 dimensional rider hills & mountains.
Jrod cannot podium MSR simply as the he does not have enough power for the last flat kms. Even Nibali was ridden off his wheel by Cance. Jrod cannot sprint worth a dime. Look at WC.
Piti has the best chance because of his finishing sprint but he must reach there first. Nowadays he sucks wheels only.
Both are explosive only on the climbs and not on the flats. Sagan is more explosive on the short hills and Cav is an explosive sprinter.
Yup but he is closest one of the current crop of riders. Can you name any other?

 

[Arredondo]

Jrod is a 2 dimensional rider hills & mountains.
Jrod cannot podium MSR simply as the he does not have enough power for the last flat kms. Even Nibali was ridden off his wheel by Cance. Jrod cannot sprint worth a dime. Look at WC.
Piti has the best chance because of his finishing sprint but he must reach there first. Nowadays he sucks wheels only.
Both are explosive only on the climbs and not on the flats. Sagan is more explosive on the short hills and Cav is an explosive sprinter.
Yup but he is closest one of the current crop of riders. Can you name any other?

Why does Jrod can't finish on the podium in MSR? If he attacks on the Poggio, or on the steepest part of the Pompeia (15%), few can follow. He can't time trial, but he isn't a complete moron on the flat. If he's in a small group, he doesn't get dropped on the flat.

Jrod isn't a brilliant sprinter, but definitily better than Nibbles. He was tired in the finale of the worlds, after soloing for 10 k, that's not comparable with a sprint in some other race. He did a fairly nice sprint in Mende against Contador though.

Sagan is better than Jrod and Piti on 'Gilbert' type of climbs, but not on really steep climbs like Chieti and Huy, no way.

I don't understand your last sentence.

 

[eagleofditchling]

winner World road race championship+, winner world cyclo cross champuonship, winner Ronde Van Vlaanderen, Winner Fleche Walonne, Giro points winner & 3 stages (6th Overall) - MARIANNE VOS

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Why does Jrod can't finish on the podium in MSR? If he attacks on the Poggio, or on the steepest part of the Pompeia (15%), few can follow. He can't time trial, but he isn't a complete moron on the flat. If he's in a small group, he doesn't get dropped on the flat.

Jrod isn't a brilliant sprinter, but definitily better than Nibbles. He was tired in the finale of the worlds, after soloing for 10 k, that's not comparable with a sprint in some other race. He did a fairly nice sprint in Mende against Contador though.

Sagan is better than Jrod and Piti on 'Gilbert' type of climbs, but not on really steep climbs like Chieti and Huy, no way.

I don't understand your last sentence.

JRod is kind of multidimensional in the sense that he can win various races (steep, very hilly classics and mountainstages)

However the way he wins mountainstages and classics are always the same - 1/2k to go attack (except for the worlds perhaps, but that attack was maybe more tactical).

Nibali can win timetrials, mountainstages (by longer attacks), GT's and stageraces and has proven himself in a monument where the last climb is mostly a powerclimb (Poggio, obviously) for the strong guys. I would call that multidimensional