Best TTers past or present?

[jens_attacks]

indurain caught piepoli in '96 saint emilion 60 km itt who started with 9 minutes advantage,jesus christ.and leo finished in the top 80,imagine how much time would purito have lost there,at least 15 minutes.

those helmets were fuccin awesome,middle ages warriors shiit.


ullrich slaughtered everyone in st. etienne '97,pure beast:
1. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL 1.16.24 (avs. 43,193 km/h)
2. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 3.04
3. Bjarne Riis (Dan) TEL 3.08
4. Abraham Olano (Spa) BAN 3.14
5. Marco Pantani (Ita) MER 3.42
6. Francesco Casagrande (Ita) SAE 3.56
7. Frank Vandenbroucke (Bel) MAP 4.44
8. Zenon Jaskula (Pol) MAP 4.50
9. Beat Zberg (Swi) MER 5.00
10. Michael Boogerd (Ned) RAB 5.04

poor richard...here comes the train

 

[hrotha]

I know it was a super hilly parcours, but still... Virenque 2nd... Oh, the mid 90s...

 

[Puzzilan]

Beryl Burton

 

[The Hitch]

Thats not the point people are arguing - yes, Cancellara is special in the modern era. He is putting out these TT performances while also working hard for his leader the rest of the event.

Many of the others mentioned have performed similar achievements in any one year, and some of them have continued to do that year on year while also focussing on riding for stage race wins.

You earlier said you didn't see Indurain race. I suggest you get some video of the 'old days' to see how utterly scared the entire field was of him every time he clipped into his TT bike. Coppi also was known as someone that if you gave him a 10 yard lead, you would never, ever pull it back. The TT prowess of Merckx stands for itself, etc.

It is similar to the statement that Fabian would break the hour record. Hmm, interesting, but he hasn't actually even tried it has he... Personally, to call Fabian the greatest he will need another few seasons of dominance.

Which is exactly what I said

So for now Indurain, but if Cancellara gets another olympic gold another 1 or 2 World tts, and a few more gt tts, then in a few years he will be the GOAT.

I wasnt saying Canc is the greatest but rather, defending him from Pistolero who put down Cancellaras accomplishments, as Cancellara is the greatest threat to the sport dominance of his 2 favourite riders.

 

[Midnightfright]

For me if the best time-trialists are Martin,Wiggins and Cancellara In that order Martin comftably and I'm choosing Wiggins over Canc just due to him bettering Canc in the TT matchups last season. Offourse I'm talking current ability not legacy.

 

[avanti]

Greg Lemond.
His TT in the 1989 TdF give him overall victory. If my recollection is correct he posted the fasted average speed TT in the TdF at the time and since then has only been bettered twice.

 

[meat puppet]

I do rate Indurain very high indeed, but when I recently watched the 96 olympic ITT during a trainer ride, I could not help thinking his position was compromised to say the least. Namely his back is not nearly as flat as, say, with Wiggo, Fab or Tony and also the handlebars are quite high up. Obviously, the tricky bit is to find the optimal combination of power output and aero, but I wonder what BigMig could have done with a better position.

Today, I guess the aforementioned trio relies more on being very aero than having an absolute Indurain caliber beaster output - espescially Wiggo.

And in the olympic TT he didn't even usea a disc wheel for crying out loud!

 

[Bavarianrider]

you are the german ACF (sorry for the insult).
he has a problem with contador and valverde because they were always beating evans so he spams threads with irrational posts and your problem with cancellara is because he was always beating martin. take it easy and enjoy..

Let's see if martin is good enough to awake the monster again.. it all depends on cancellara, no one (even you) can argue that the raw talent and class is on cancellara's side.. the best TTer ever, together with miguel.

What makes Cancellara so highly regarded?
He never dominated TT in GTs
Ok he has 4 WC. But look at the competition.
In 06 for example he was world champion. But look how he was trashed by Ullrich at the Tour de Suisse.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

What makes Cancellara so highly regarded?
He never dominated TT in GTs
Ok he has 4 WC. But look at the competition.
In 06 for example he was world champion. But look how he was trashed by Ullrich at the Tour de Suisse.

Who got suspended one month later

 

[McLovin]

All the respect to Cancellara, he is a powefull rider and even I'm a fan of Martin, I think Fabian is by far the symbol of TT for this generation. But you can't compare him with Ullrich. Ullrich and Armstrong allways had their separate competition when it came to TT.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Who got suspended one month later

 

[Angliru]

I just don´t get how you can compare guys riding 90 + km on steel bike verse 55 km on full carbon in time trial position.

Something like this needs to be broken into pre and post Lemond imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvwtOQYQ-E

The guys riding the steel bikes were competing against guys riding....steel bikes. I don't see the issue seriously. We are comparing their successes against the clock and how they put time into their opponents not their actual
times versus the modern day riders on carbon TT specific framsets.

 

[roundabout]

Who got suspended one month later

Cancellara was out of form to the point that he didn't get selected for the Tour that year.

Unless one thinks that being beaten by Schleck and Vicioso is Cancellara's level

 

[Angliru]

Greg Lemond.
His TT in the 1989 TdF give him overall victory. If my recollection is correct he posted the fasted average speed TT in the TdF at the time and since then has only been bettered twice.

I'm a Lemond fan but there was strong tailwind and if I recall correctly a point to point route with the wind at his back for most of the ride. I'm sure I'll be corrected if my memory is failing me.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Who got suspended one month later

that is just mean dude

 

[Michielveedeebee]

that is just mean dude

it is but it's true

 

[Cobblestoned]

it is but it's true

yeah, but who cares.
Result is there.

That TdS was an awesome showing of Fuentes-power, even when they had nothing left to fill up.
Curious.

 

[El Pistolero]

Which is exactly what I said



I wasnt saying Canc is the greatest but rather, defending him from Pistolero who put down Cancellaras accomplishments, as Cancellara is the greatest threat to the sport dominance of his 2 favourite riders.

I'm not putting him down, Indurain and Merckx were just better. They dominated all kinds of time trials. Cancellara is not the best guy out there in GT time trials(excluding prologues) and GT time trials are the second most prestigious thing in the time trial world.

He has his 4 world titles sure... Anquetil has nine

You think Merckx didn't win prologues, medium time trials, long time trials, super long time trials, duo time trials(Trofeo Baracchi, very prestigious), etc?

 

[Avoriaz]

Two that haven't been mentioned:

1) when Sean Yates won the TT at Wasquehal in the 80s, it was the fastest TT ever in the Tour,

2) Daniel Gisiger won the Baracchi Trophy and GP des Nations a hatful of times in the early 80s. Constantly changing pro teams because his DS' were exasperated that he only seemed to bother with the TT

 

[avanti]

I'm a Lemond fan but there was strong tailwind and if I recall correctly a point to point route with the wind at his back for most of the ride. I'm sure I'll be corrected if my memory is failing me.

But he beat Fignon who was also a good time triler. Lemond also used aerobars on this stage.

On a separate point the weather (wind and/or rain) can change between the first and last riders providing either an advantage or disadvantage to a rider. But I still enjoy TTs.

 

[Fowsto Cope-E]

The guys riding the steel bikes were competing against guys riding....steel bikes. I don't see the issue seriously. We are comparing their successes against the clock and how they put time into their opponents not their actual
times versus the modern day riders on carbon TT specific framsets.

Yeah, I agree that what bike they are riding doesn't really matter in this discussion, but was does make a difference is the lengths. Cancellara winning a prologue and Anquetil winning a 100k TT are completely different, uncomparable feats.

 

[MADRAZO]

My current top 20 based both on merit from previous years and future potential, so that most of all it is the list of the 20 riders that should be most expensive to sign for next season on a 1 year contract:

1. A. Contador
2. P. Gilbert
3. F. Cancellara
4. M. Cavendish
5. C. Evans
6. T. Martin
7. A. Valverde
8. P. Sagan
9. J. Rodriquez
10 S. Sanchez
---
11. E. Boasson Hagen
12. B. Wiggins
13. A. Schleck
14. V. Nibali
15. T. Voeckler
16. T. Hushovd
17. R. Gesink
18. M. Goss
19. M. Kittel
20. M. Scarponi

 

[jordan5000]

My current top 20 based both on merit from previous years and future potential, so that most of all it is the list of the 20 riders that should be most expensive to sign for next season on a 1 year contract:

1. A. Contador
2. P. Gilbert
3. F. Cancellara
4. M. Cavendish
5. C. Evans
6. T. Martin
7. A. Valverde
8. P. Sagan
9. J. Rodriquez
10 S. Sanchez
---
11. E. Boasson Hagen
12. B. Wiggins
13. A. Schleck
14. V. Nibali
15. T. Voeckler
16. T. Hushovd
17. R. Gesink
18. M. Goss
19. M. Kittel
20. M. Scarponi

How is this relevant?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Wrong thread bro

 

[Cobblestoned]

How is this relevant?