Best TTers past or present?

[greenedge]

Cancellara then Big Mig. Though of course Indruain focused on GT's as well.

 

[McLovin]

You can not put Prologue preteneders with long TT pretenders. Prologues can be win by Hushovd. Petachi almost won one at the Giro. Cavendish won one prologue.

 

[Midnightfright]

You can not put Prologue preteneders with long TT pretenders. Prologues can be win by Hushovd. Petachi almost won one at the Giro. Cavendish won one prologue.

cav won a prologue? Which one? The isle of man elite series or something?

 

[jens_attacks]

hitch,coppi's ascent on alpe 1952 was kind of pantani on steroids from what i've read.unpaved roads,heavy bike,after 8(!) hours of racing.in the age of 5000 km grand tours,big hearts and speed.mighty mighty impressive.

i stick with anquetil
modern times:indurain then armstrong and ullrich,then cancellara.

 

[McLovin]

cav won a prologue? Which one? The isle of man elite series or something?

2008 Tour de Romandie elite series or something

Prologue - April 29, 2008: Genève > Genève, 1.9 km (ITT)

1 Mark Cavendish (GBR) Team High Road 2' 07"
2 Daniele Bennati (ITA) Liquigas s.t.
3 Michael Albasini (SUI) Liquigas + 1"
4 Björn Schröder (GER) Team Milram + 1"
5 Bradley Wiggins (GBR) Team High Road + 1


LE: TOUR OF BRITAIN
Prologue – 9 September 2007: London, 2.5 km

Cyclist Nationality Team Time
1 Mark Cavendish United Kingdom TMO 2'27.6"
2 Nikolai Trusov Russia TCS + 1.21"
3 Alexander Serov Russia TCS + 3.63"

 

[Midnightfright]

2008 Tour de Romandie elite series or something

Prologue - April 29, 2008: Genève > Genève, 1.9 km (ITT)

1 Mark Cavendish (GBR) Team High Road 2' 07"
2 Daniele Bennati (ITA) Liquigas s.t.
3 Michael Albasini (SUI) Liquigas + 1"
4 Björn Schröder (GER) Team Milram + 1"
5 Bradley Wiggins (GBR) Team High Road + 1


LE: TOUR OF BRITAIN
Prologue – 9 September 2007: London, 2.5 km

Cyclist Nationality Team Time
1 Mark Cavendish United Kingdom TMO 2'27.6"
2 Nikolai Trusov Russia TCS + 1.21"
3 Alexander Serov Russia TCS + 3.63"

And who says cav is one dimensional.

 

[ramjambunath]

And who says cav is one dimensional.

Compared to his missus, he is very one dimensional almost a stick.

I can only vote for riders I have seen. It was between Ullrich, Cancellara and Rogers. I, without any bias, voted for Ullrich.

 

[McLovin]

And who says cav is one dimensional.

Cavendish is a complete rider. Armstrong was an one trick pony because wining Tours was all he knew.

 

[Suedehead]

No Hinault in the poll? Seriously? Get rid of Fignon, Rogers, and Lemond even, but Hinault needs to be in the poll.

I agree. I refuse to vote because of that omission. I mean 20 TT wins in the Tour, 5 grand prix des nations and still no love? I would say that he is as always, in best ever cycling polls, in the top 2.

 

[El Pistolero]

Umm, Cancellara does have mental strength.

Unless tting 40k in your beloved Ronde is suddenly something for the weak.

But you need something to push you through a time trial. A Yellow jersey is a far bigger carrot to run after than a stage win, especially if your legs are already crushed.

As for recovery, because its a different age.

The age of people dominating every race is over.

Theres more to cycling than just time trials. Cancellara is not going to waste his career going for stage wins when Worlds, and cobbled classics are going to give him so much more, financially, prestige wise etc.

But if you look at his performances on the tt bike when he is on form, he definately deserves to be up there with the above.

Read his book, Cancellara doesn't have mental strength as some other big cyclists have like Contador. Even if he had the body and talent of Contador he wouldn't be able to win a Tour. The age of people dominating in every race is over? Isn't Valverde able to sprint, climb, time trial, hills and stuff like that?

You just compared times with Coppi and Cancellara on Alpe dhuez. Inspite of no modern doping, modern training schedules, modern bikes, paved roads, heavier Grand Tours, riding solo, etc Coppi managed to ride faster than Cancellara. Now that says a lot about the latter.

You seem to be coming with excuses like he isn't motivated enough. The legends always were motivated to win a race no matter how small it was. It's what makes the difference between Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador.

There's more to cycling than time trials? Quick, go tell that to Eddy Merckx and Miguel Indurain who apparently only did time trials in their career

Since when do cobbled classics make it impossible to go for stage wins in Grand Tours? Hushovd won a Tour stage(cobbled) and a Vuelta stage before he went on the win the World championships. And was second at Paris-Roubaix of course. Tom Boonen won the Ronde, Roubaix, 2 Tour stages and the World championships in one year. Not to forget someone called Cancellara won the Ronde, Roubaix, 2 Tour stages and the World championship time trial in one year

 

[Cobblestoned]

Cavendish is a complete rider. Armstrong was an one trick pony because wining Tours was all he knew.

Ahahahahaaaaa....
Cav a complete rider..... He is a fatass sprinter, dude.


Besides that ( and there is a lot missing):
Lance Armstrong
Erfolge / Platzierungen 2005

3. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Bergwertung (PRO) 24.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Gesamtwertung (PRO) 24.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 20. Etappe (PRO) 23.07.
2. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 14. Etappe (PRO) 16.07.
2. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 10. Etappe (PRO) 12.07.
2. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 1. Etappe (PRO) 02.07.
4. Platz Criterium du Dauphine Libere (FRA), Gesamtwertung (PRO) 12.06.
3. Platz Criterium du Dauphine Libere (FRA), 7. Etappe (PRO) 12.06.
3. Platz Criterium du Dauphine Libere (FRA), 3. Etappe (PRO) 08.06.
5. Platz Georgia-Rundfahrt (USA), Gesamtwertung (2.1) 24.04.
3. Platz Georgia-Rundfahrt (USA), 5. Etappe (2.1) 23.04.
3. Platz Georgia-Rundfahrt (USA), 2. Etappe (2.1) 20.04.

Erfolge / Platzierungen 2004

1. Platz Profronde van Stiphout (NED), Endergebnis (NAT) 27.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Gesamtwertung (GT) 25.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 19. Etappe (GT) 24.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 17. Etappe (GT) 22.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 16. Etappe (GT) 21.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 15. Etappe (GT) 20.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 13. Etappe (GT) 17.07.
1. Platz Tour du Languedoc-Roussilon (FRA), 5. Etappe (2.1) 23.05.
1. Platz Georgia-Rundfahrt (USA), Gesamtwertung (2.3) 25.04.
1. Platz Georgia-Rundfahrt (USA), 6. Etappe (2.3) 24.04.
1. Platz Georgia-Rundfahrt (USA), 4. Etappe (2.3) 23.04.
1. Platz Georgia-Rundfahrt (USA), 3. Etappe (2.3) 22.04.
1. Platz Algarve-Rundfahrt (POR), 4. Etappe (2.3) 21.02.

Erfolge / Platzierungen 2003

1. Platz Altstadt-Kriterium Graz (AUT), Endergebnis (NAT) 29.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Gesamtwertung (GT) 27.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 15. Etappe (GT) 21.07.
1. Platz Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (FRA), Gesamtwertung (2.HC) 15.06.
1. Platz Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (FRA), 3. Etappe (2.HC) 11.06.

Erfolge / Platzierungen 2002

1. Platz City-Nacht Rhede (GER), Endergebnis (NAT) 02.08.
1. Platz Profronde van Stiphout (NED), Endergebnis (NAT) 30.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Gesamtwertung (GT) 28.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 19. Etappe (GT) 27.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 12. Etappe (GT) 19.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 11. Etappe (GT) 18.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Prolog (GT) 06.07.
1. Platz Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (FRA), Gesamtwertung (2.HC) 16.06.
1. Platz Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (FRA), 6. Etappe (2.HC) 15.06.
1. Platz Grand Prix du Midi Libre (FRA), Gesamtwertung (2.1) 26.05.

Erfolge / Platzierungen 2001

1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Gesamtwertung (GT) 29.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 18. Etappe (GT) 27.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 13. Etappe (GT) 21.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 11. Etappe (GT) 18.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 10. Etappe (GT) 17.07.
1. Platz Tour de Suisse (SUI), Gesamtwertung (2.HC) 28.06.
1. Platz Tour de Suisse (SUI), 8. Etappe (2.HC) 26.06.
1. Platz Tour de Suisse (SUI), 1. Etappe (2.HC) 19.06.

Erfolge / Platzierungen 2000

3. Platz Olympische Spiele - Zeitfahren (AUS), Endergebnis (OS) 30.09.
1. Platz GP des Nations - Zeitfahren (FRA), Endergebnis (1.1) 16.09.
1. Platz Paarzeitfahren GP Eddy Merckx (BEL), Endergebnis (1.1) 27.08.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Gesamtwertung (GT) 23.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 19. Etappe (GT) 21.07.
1. Platz Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (FRA), 3. Etappe (2.HC) 07.06.

Erfolge / Platzierungen 1999

1. Platz Draai van de Kaai (NED), Endergebnis (NAT) 02.08.
1. Platz Profronde Heerlen (NED), Endergebnis (NAT) 30.07.
1. Platz Ronde van Boxmeer Criterium (NED), Endergebnis (NAT) 26.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Gesamtwertung (GT) 25.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 19. Etappe (GT) 24.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 9. Etappe (GT) 13.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), 8. Etappe (GT) 11.07.
1. Platz Tour de France (FRA), Prolog (GT) 03.07.
1. Platz Route du Sud (FRA), 4. Etappe (2.3) 22.06.
1. Platz Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (FRA), Prolog (2.HC) 06.06.
1. Platz Circuit de la Sarthe (FRA), 4. Etappe (2.4) 10.04.

Erfolge / Platzierungen 1998

4. Platz Vuelta a Espana (ESP), Gesamtwertung (GT) 27.09.
1. Platz Rheinland-Pfalz-Rundfahrt (GER), Gesamtwertung (2.4) 02.07.
1. Platz Tour de Luxembourg (LUX), Gesamtwertung (2.2) 14.06.
1. Platz Tour de Luxembourg (LUX), 1. Etappe (2.2) 11.06.

Erfolge / Platzierungen 1996

1. Platz Tour Du Pont (USA), Gesamtwertung (2.2) 06.05.
1. Platz Tour Du Pont (USA), 6. Etappe (2.2) 06.05.
1. Platz Tour Du Pont (USA), 5. Etappe (2.2) 05.05.
1. Platz Tour Du Pont (USA), 3b. Etappe (2.2) 03.05.
1. Platz Tour Du Pont (USA), 2. Etappe (2.2) 02.05.
1. Platz Wallonischer Pfeil (BEL), Endergebnis (1.1) 17.04.
2. Platz Paris-Nizza (FRA), Gesamtwertung (2.1) 17.03.

 

[hrotha]

I'm confused. According to LEO, Sarkasmus *is* a German word.

 

[Angliru]

Cavendish is a complete rider. Armstrong was an one trick pony because wining Tours was all he knew.

Just for the sake of accuracy:
You do realize that he won a WC in the road race, won Fleche Wallone, San Sebastian and made the podium multiple times in the hilly classics?

 

[sublimit]

Anquetil far above everybody else.

Funny nobody mentioned Rominger, Zulle, Mottet. Of course Hinault should be counted as well (contrary to most others he was just as good in uphill TTs ). Maybe Bracke, Moser. Somebody rightly mentioned Rivière, but his career was too short.
How about Koblet who did over 135 km (to Agen) alone in the front with Coppi and all the peloton chasing behind?

I mentioned him,(Rominger) I think somebody else mentioned him earlier. Ex hour record holder but not a patch on Indurain but right up there amongst the best ever.

 

[Angliru]

The fact that the course was downhill also helped, not just the wind (mentioned earlier).

I forgot that it was also downhill. Thanks for the reminder!

 

[Le breton]

I mentioned him,(Rominger) I think somebody else mentioned him earlier. Ex hour record holder but not a patch on Indurain but right up there amongst the best ever.

Sorry, my speed-reading isn't up to par. Although Rominger is up there among the best, we unfortunately also know that EauPastisOrange was all too easily available in Switzerland in those days.

 

[Le breton]

I agree. I refuse to vote because of that omission. I mean 20 TT wins in the Tour, 5 grand prix des nations and still no love? I would say that he is as always, in best ever cycling polls, in the top 2.

I refuse to vote because the poll makes little sense really. In my opinion nobody dominated TTing in their era as much as Anquetil did from 1953 to 1967. If he had wished to do it he would have won not just 9 but 14 GP des Nations.

 

[McLovin]

Just for the sake of accuracy:
You do realize that he won a WC in the road race, won Fleche Wallone, San Sebastian and made the podium multiple times in the hilly classics?

What happend to sense of humour these days?

 

[Cobblestoned]

What happend to sense of humour these days?

Ok, easy to say afterwards.
Problem is, that there is a dozent of guys around here, who would mean this serious.
We are not used to humor around here. I just got an infraction for easin up the atmosphere. lol
Be careful

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I refuse to vote because the poll makes little sense really. In my opinion nobody dominated TTing in their era as much as Anquetil did from 1953 to 1967. If he had wished to do it he would have won not just 9 but 14 GP des Nations.

The poll question is "who is the best time trialist, past or present?", not "who dominated the most in their era?"

Though, of course, it's impossible to give a definite and unbiased answer to the first question, regardless of the number of poll options.

 

[scullster46]

has anyone ever put together the palmares of all the TT wins that these riders have? That would be the best way to figure all this out, without all the conjecture.

Personally, I think that Indurain has the greatest power output, but isn't as aero as guys like Fabian. Also, the more technical the course, the better Fabian is. But as a measure of pure power, its Indurain and the Ullrich imo

 

[Le breton]

The poll question is "who is the best time trialist, past or present?", not "who dominated the most in their era?"

Though, of course, it's impossible to give a definite and unbiased answer to the first question, regardless of the number of poll options.

So, we agree.

 

[benzwire]

I would consider Bernard Hinault a better TT'er than Fignon. He should be on there instead of Fignon, IMO.

 

[Tank Engine]

Two that haven't been mentioned:

1) when Sean Yates won the TT at Wasquehal in the 80s, it was the fastest TT ever in the Tour,

2) Daniel Gisiger won the Baracchi Trophy and GP des Nations a hatful of times in the early 80s. Constantly changing pro teams because his DS' were exasperated that he only seemed to bother with the TT

With regards to Yates, he was one of the top trialists of his time (but definitely not the best), but that was another tailwind induced result. He was quite low down on GC and those higher up had less favourable conditions. Although he was quite low down on GC, there hadn't been any decisive stages before that and after getting into a breakaway through the Vosges, he wasn't far off getting the Yellow Jersey (a feat he accomplished a few years later).

With regards to Yates' descending, even better than his time trialling .

With regards to Gisiger, he's before my time , ..... just

Edit: Of the time triallers in my era ('87 onwards), it has to be Big Mig.

 

[Suedehead]

I refuse to vote because the poll makes little sense really. In my opinion nobody dominated TTing in their era as much as Anquetil did from 1953 to 1967. If he had wished to do it he would have won not just 9 but 14 GP des Nations.

Well I said top two. Anquetil was the supposed no. 1.
Since then AngusW has convinced me that Hinault was better/more dominant. Although Fignon in 84 the best looking!
More numbers
Hinault 3 giro itt, 3 vuelta itt
Merckx 6 3 "
Anquetil 6 1
Indurain 4 -