Betsy Andreu Appreciation Society

[Digger]

That's not questioning her integrity of course.

Questioning her motives equates to the same thing.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I've never seen Betsy explain why she was in the room when such sensitive conversations were taking place. What's her theory on that?

Its not a 'theory' when someone tells the truth.

It is quite remarkable that you can try and defend LA over Betsy - and yet you obviously dont know even the basics about the case.

Go back and read the other thread about the Hospital room confession - as i covered it there.
Then if you have comments to make then do so there! I will gladly continue to show the true events of that day.

 

[Deagol]

But where are all these mythical Armstrong defenders who wont have a word said against them? I haven't come across them.

Mythical? Ha, that’s hilarious… How long have you really been here on this forum?
OK, I actually started a list of names when I initially was writing a reply to this, but then thought better of it. I didn’t want to single any posters out and name specific names. Suffice it to say that at least 2 that I know of have been banned, I will give clues to their user-names and the answer should be obvious if you have been around here for a while. There are doubtless other posters who can add names. I don’t want to get caught in the trap of naming people who are still here so here we go with the banned ones:
one was named for a tool commonly used to chip up pieces of asphalt
one is the name of a major alien character in the “HALO 3” video game

 

[workingclasshero]

No it isn't. Someone might not even know the emotions they feel. It's not the same as an integrity issue.

obviously you know betsy's feelings and emotions better than she does herself. what a díckhead you are, wind-up merchant or not.

 

[Race Radio]

That's not questioning her integrity of course.

Yes it is.

You are simply parroting the BS spewed by your hero. Armstrong also questioned Betsy's integrity by saying she invented the story because she "Hates" him.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Lance must have really trusted them to do that.

Nooo - dont say that - remember Lances testimony was that "it never happened"....

 

[Cobber]

Its not a 'theory' when someone tells the truth.

It is quite remarkable that you can try and defend LA over Betsy - and yet you obviously dont know even the basics about the case.

Go back and read the other thread about the Hospital room confession - as i covered it there.
Then if you have comments to make then do so there! I will gladly continue to show the true events of that day.

+1.

BanProCycling, here is a pretty good article describing the hospital room events.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5508863

 

[Race Radio]

It's just unsual, that's all. One would imagine that the doctor wouldn't allow it, let alone Lance. That must be why the doctor denies the conversation ever took place,

Which doctor? The doctor who was not in the room?

 

[Deagol]

No I haven't been here that long. But one would imagine that if there was so many of these people around, one would have popped up by now. As yet not a single name. The only people who are called this are people who don't accept every word of the extreme anti Armstrong spin.

Some of them have a habit of getting banned becouse they go crazy when confronted with anything to challenge their fantasy

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No I haven't been here that long. But one would imagine that if there was so many of these people around, one would have popped up by now. As yet not a single name. The only people who are called this are people who don't accept every word of the extreme anti Armstrong spin.

What spin???

I have been on another thread and discussed this issue at length - I have quotes facts.
I have tried very carefully to source material that is available in the public domain and stayed away from offering opinion except when I was asked to by one poster.

If you have information that disagrees with my facts please present it.

 

[workingclasshero]

I wasn't refering to this case in particular, but it's true most people don't give a stuff about "the truth" and just taking the opportunity to celebrate someone they believe is bad news for Armstrong. I'm sure you will have seen the mindset.

Facts can still be spun and selected, and put out of context, of course, so the Dr Spock impression that you like to do doesn't necessarily get you off the hook either.

we know you know that. and we also know you don't really even bother dealing with something that close to the truth

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Still can't find one, eh?

If it's true that they get banned for obsessive Armstrong defending, I think that is unfair given there are some scew balls on here who take the opposite extreme position.

You would have to ask the mods the reasons - but it appears that certain posters had multiple usernames. I would agree that defending Armstrong should not be punished with a ban - but I do not believe that is why posters are banned.

There are still a number of people on here who defend Armstrong - including yourself even though you have shown that you have limited knowledge on the subject.

BTW... are you calling me a 'screwball'?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Find me one person who has said this.

Armstrong is asked if he can help explain why Betsy Andreu would make up a story about the hospital room. Armstrong says he has no idea, other than "she hates me."

From the NPR article link is about 5 posts up.

 

[Deagol]

Still can't find one, eh?

If it's true that they get banned for obsessive Armstrong defending, I think that is unfair given there are some scew balls on here who take the opposite extreme position.

No, I can name several (I already "named" two) but I am trying to be polite. If you want a semi-public figure instead of someone on this board try John Wilcockson (sp?). As far as posters on this board, look around, the answer is all around you, you also might try looking in the mirror.

I guess I can see why someone who is unknowingly biased believing beyond all doubt that LA is innocent, then maybe-just maybe-anything to contradict that belief could be construed to be “spin” but that’s a bit naive. Don’t you see what’s happening? It’s a willful dismissal of anything that is presented that contradicts what you WANT to believe.
I might know how you feel, though. On a personal note, I was a big LA fan and defender. But, I’m also a scientist. It was easier to find out these things gradually rather than all at once- there is less of that human defense mechanism of denial to cloud your thinking when it happens more slowly.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I wasn't refering to this case in particular, but it's true most people don't give a stuff about "the truth" and are just taking the opportunity to celebrate someone they believe is bad news for Armstrong. I'm sure you will have seen the mindset.

Facts can still be spun and selected, and put out of context, of course, so the Dr Spock impression that you like to do doesn't necessarily get you off the hook either.

Care to show me somewhere I made an error when I was reporting the facts?

 

[eddiehawk]

I think the most important thing in this saga is that:

a) Lance doped
b) everybody else doped
c) if you confess you get crucified and if you won a tour you get an * after your name (ask Bjarne R.)
d) so Armstrong denies everything, like he should when its hypocrisy everywhere around you
e) he was the best rider in that era
f) he makes a comeback in an other era, that if its not clean, much cleaner anyway, after 3.5 years and almost 38 years old, beating up everyone except two phenoms - Contador and A.Schleck - and proved to me, and others I think that he is a true champ
g) it wasn't his (nor Virenque's, Ullrich's, and others) fault that he/they was an exceptional cyclist starting in the nineties where epo and other stuff was a must if you wanted to win, endorsed by teams and their med. staff.
h) if Betsy said blip and Lance said blap its an interesting anecdote but really not more than that

 

[Hugh Januss]

You would have to ask the mods the reasons - but it appears that certain posters had multiple usernames. I would agree that defending Armstrong should not be punished with a ban - but I do not believe that is why posters are banned.

There are still a number of people on here who defend Armstrong - including yourself even though you have shown that you have limited knowledge on the subject.

BTW... are you calling me a 'screwball'?

No, he actually called you a "scew ball"

 

[Anonymous]

It appears he had to do this because the doctor denied it. It would make the doctor look really bad if he was caught talking about someone's drug history in the visitors hour.

So who's lying, LA or his doctor (or both)?

 

[Digger]

Where is the evidence that users have multiple usernames?



I don't know why you would say that. The problem is you have become so obsessed with certain details you have lost focused of the bigger picture. You've probably never thought it through properly.



Not necessarily. I refering more to the blackcat, digger, foodforthought situation.

To quote the great Paul Kimmage, 'I take this as a compliment, when it's coming from you.'

 

[Anonymous]

Not necessarily. I refering more to the blackcat, digger, foodforthought situation.

There is no "situation" with me. You are a troll and nothing more. That is reality.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Where is the evidence that users have multiple usernames?

I don't know why you would say that. The problem is you have become so obsessed with certain details you have lost focused of the bigger picture. You've probably never thought it through properly.

...or probably not!

I have followed Lances career before he was signed as a Pro. I first saw him race in 1992. I have also met him in subsequent years - and some of what is said about him on forums and in general is quite wrong.

I kept an eye on his career as he was certainly very talented and I felt he was going to be a rider to dominate the sport for several years.

He had shown considerable promise in finishing second in Zurich and the following year winning a Tour stage and the Worlds -but being honest I was a little disappointed with his results in the early nineties.

I had watched him develop as a rider and while I hoped that he might do well in races like the Tour I quickly spotted he hadn't the capability or consistency to be a an overall hope - but that he could certainly win many stages.

Of course I was very saddened and worried when he had his cancer.
I was delighted that he recovered and was even excited by his return in Paris Nice in 1998. But I was also sad when he quit that race and felt he had nothing left to prove and that we would never see him race at the top level again.

We know his impressive achievements from 1999 to 2005 - and while I heard rumors about how he achieved that success I swallowed the information that it was a result of his weight loss and cadence.
I still believed in him until 2005 - and than came the 1999 EPO samples.
From that point on I started to question what I had already believed and assumed.

I made an effort to come to an opinion based on facts.
It was during this time I heard he worked with Ferrari - had his TUE backdated.
Later I found out about the confession - but again I was impressed with the testimony of the Doctor. I learned later that the Doctor was never in the room and the only person to testify that the incident never took place was LA himself.

I really couldn't care about LA - he had retired and that was that - time for a new era in Pro Cycling.

But on his return many fans continue to support LA - I will always offer the truth in any exchange - again if I made an error please point it out and I will rectify it.

That is why I can say LANCE DOPED!

 

[Cobber]

There is no "situation" with me. You are a troll and nothing more. That is reality.

His problem was with "Foodforthought", not you!

 

[Race Radio]

Yes the one who says the conversation didn't happen. Don't know he's name, but I'm sure you are aware there is such a doctor.

How would the doctor who was not in the room know if the conversation happened or not?

A guy who was not even in the hospital calling Betsy a liar.....

 

[pmcg76]

...or probably not!

I have followed Lances career before he was signed as a Pro. I first saw him race in 1992. I have also met him in subsequent years - and some of what is said about him on forums and in general is quite wrong.

I kept an eye on his career as he was certainly very talented and I felt he was going to be a rider to dominate the sport for several years.

He had shown considerable promise in finishing second in Zurich and the following year winning a Tour stage and the Worlds -but being honest I was a little disappointed with his results in the early nineties.

I had watched him develop as a rider and while I hoped that he might do well in races like the Tour I quickly spotted he hadn't the capability or consistency to be a an overall hope - but that he could certainly win many stages.

Of course I was very saddened and worried when he had his cancer.
I was delighted that he recovered and was even excited by his return in Paris Nice in 1998. But I was also sad when he quit that race and felt he had nothing left to prove and that we would never see him race at the top level again.

We know his impressive achievements from 1999 to 2005 - and while I heard rumors about how he achieved that success I swallowed the information that it was a result of his weight loss and cadence.
I still believed in him until 2005 - and than came the 1999 EPO samples.
From that point on I started to question what I had already believed and assumed.

I made an effort to come to an opinion based on facts.
It was during this time I heard he worked with Ferrari - had his TUE backdated.
Later I found out about the confession - but again I was impressed with the testimony of the Doctor. I learned later that the Doctor was never in the room and the only person to testify that the incident never took place was LA himself.

I really couldn't care about LA - he had retired and that was that - time for a new era in Pro Cycling.

But on his return many fans continue to support LA - I will always offer the truth in any exchange - again if I made an error please point it out and I will rectify it.

That is why I can say LANCE DOPED!

Man, this is almost a complete replica of former posts I made, its like an exact replica except for minor details. Spot on.

 

[Hugh Januss]

...or probably not!

I have followed Lances career before he was signed as a Pro. I first saw him race in 1992. I have also met him in subsequent years - and some of what is said about him on forums and in general is quite wrong.

I kept an eye on his career as he was certainly very talented and I felt he was going to be a rider to dominate the sport for several years.

He had shown considerable promise in finishing second in Zurich and the following year winning a Tour stage and the Worlds -but being honest I was a little disappointed with his results in the early nineties.

I had watched him develop as a rider and while I hoped that he might do well in races like the Tour I quickly spotted he hadn't the capability or consistency to be a an overall hope - but that he could certainly win many stages.

Of course I was very saddened and worried when he had his cancer.
I was delighted that he recovered and was even excited by his return in Paris Nice in 1998. But I was also sad when he quit that race and felt he had nothing left to prove and that we would never see him race at the top level again.

We know his impressive achievements from 1999 to 2005 - and while I heard rumors about how he achieved that success I swallowed the information that it was a result of his weight loss and cadence.
I still believed in him until 2005 - and than came the 1999 EPO samples.
From that point on I started to question what I had already believed and assumed.

I made an effort to come to an opinion based on facts.
It was during this time I heard he worked with Ferrari - had his TUE backdated.
Later I found out about the confession - but again I was impressed with the testimony of the Doctor. I learned later that the Doctor was never in the room and the only person to testify that the incident never took place was LA himself.

I really couldn't care about LA - he had retired and that was that - time for a new era in Pro Cycling.

But on his return many fans continue to support LA - I will always offer the truth in any exchange - again if I made an error please point it out and I will rectify it.

That is why I can say LANCE DOPED!

That's what I would have said if I wanted to go to the trouble of typing that much.