Betsy Andreu Is A National Treasure

[MacRoadie]

A few problems with her statement about the medical room.

Armstrong's primary cancer doctor, Craig Nichols, submitted a sworn affidavit in the case saying, "I have never seen any evidence, either from myself or any other doctor, that indicates Lance Armstrong admitted, suggested or indicated that he has ever taken performance-enhancing drugs."

I would surmise that if medical staff had come into a room asking questions about medical history, wouldn't that be written down in your medical records? Of course it would. And as a good doctor should, review all of Lance's medical records, that would include seeing information regarding medication and drug use correct? This is 101 doctor stuff. Fill out this form, what have you taken or are you taking for medication/drugs currently? Then the assistant, or doctor asks you verball typically again regarding this stuff.

Interesting how his primary oncologist has stated, he has no knowledge of any of this information that by all medical standards and procedure, be written down and part of Lance's medical records. So where are Lance's medical records? Protected by confidentiality for nobody to see? I'm sure that could easily be leaked out, or would have been by now..yet hasn't for some reason.

Pure genius.

Amazing that no one has brought up those arguments before.

1. Nichols wasn't in the room and his affidavit carries little to no merit. He does not refute the event, he can only state that he has no knowledge of the Armstrong statement.

2. The doctors asking him the question weren't taking his history. Armstrong had already been in the hospital quite some time and the official history had been taken at the time of his admission. The hospital is a teaching hospital, with med students in and out of rooms all day. If a teaching physician entered the room with a med student or intern in a teaching capacity, there would be no reason to enter the responses into the official records.

 

[131313]

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I have to say I find it a little funny and odd that you're mentioning that BA is "all over the internet" when you have about 300 times the number of posts on this forum along, a disproportionate number of them relating to Lance. It makes me think that you're the one with the agenda here. Just telling you how it looks from the outside looking in.

And keep in mind, I don't say this is one of Betsy's sycophants. I mean no disrespect to Betsy, but I don't see her as a national treasure. I'm actually a little offended by the suggestion. She told the truth. What the hell, this is the 'new normal'?? Have guys like Jemison set the bar this low, that someone is to be held up as a national treasure for doing what a person is supposed to do?? I really don't get it.

Again, no offense intended. I know a lot of people wouldn't tell the truth because they don't want to deal with the backlash of the LA machine. So, I give her huge credit for standing up to that. And as a consequence, I certainly understand her being 'all over the internet', since the reality is that a lot of time, energy and $$ have been spend to smear her. So it's a bit disingenuous on your part to suggest that it's odd of her to be defending herself on public forums. But at the end of the day, she simply did what a person should do. The fact that people view this as such an extraordinary act simply depresses me.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

A few problems with her statement about the medical room.

Armstrong's primary cancer doctor, Craig Nichols, submitted a sworn affidavit in the case saying, "I have never seen any evidence, either from myself or any other doctor, that indicates Lance Armstrong admitted, suggested or indicated that he has ever taken performance-enhancing drugs."

I would surmise that if medical staff had come into a room asking questions about medical history, wouldn't that be written down in your medical records? Of course it would. And as a good doctor should, review all of Lance's medical records, that would include seeing information regarding medication and drug use correct? This is 101 doctor stuff. Fill out this form, what have you taken or are you taking for medication/drugs currently? Then the assistant, or doctor asks you verball typically again regarding this stuff.

Interesting how his primary oncologist has stated, he has no knowledge of any of this information that by all medical standards and procedure, be written down and part of Lance's medical records. So where are Lance's medical records? Protected by confidentiality for nobody to see? I'm sure that could easily be leaked out, or would have been by now..yet hasn't for some reason.

You appear to be finding Betsys testimony - can you share that with us, thanks in advance.

Good question about the medical records - maybe you haven't got that far yet, but were they introduced to the case (its ok, I know the answer.)

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Pure genius.

Amazing that no one has brought up those arguments before.

It's hard for the paid hacks from Fabiani's squad to come up with different arguments. Avoiding the white elephant in the room leaves them with somewhat limited mobility.

 

[pedaling squares]

Moderators, I would prefer all vitriol and baiting remain posted and not moderated or deleted. All I ask is that any vitriol, smears, and/or baiting which appears stays but is not able to then be edited by those who posted such.

Thanks.

Understood. Of course there will always be lines that, when crossed, will result in editing/deletion. Good to know your opinion on it though and that you are not fazed by low grade comments. I don't think we can lock posts so that the poster cannot edit it. If someone else quotes that post then the original author cannot edit the quote of their post.

Cool avatar by the way.

 

[Granville57]

A few problems with her statement about the medical room.

Gee, Geraldo, great work.

Should we just start back at the beginning again?

"Armstrong was born on September 18, 1971, at Methodist Hospital in Oak Cliff, Texas in the southern sector of Dallas. At the age of 12, he..."

 

[Race Radio]

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Armstrong's primary cancer doctor, Craig Nichols, submitted a sworn affidavit

College, um, I mean Zig. You do know that Dr. Nichols was not yet Armstrong's doctor at the time of the incident?

Remember, first person to flip gets the best deal.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Understood. Of course there will always be lines that, when crossed, will result in editing/deletion. Good to know your opinion on it though and that you are not fazed by low grade comments. I don't think we can lock posts so that the poster cannot edit it. If someone else quotes that post then the original author cannot edit the quote of their post.

Cool avatar by the way.

Locking the posts or not is probably a moot point, as I doubt very many of the shit talkers will hang around for the "I told you so's" when (if ?) this thing is finally resolved.
Good thought, but there will most likely be very little satisfaction to be had there.

 

[andy1234]

Can you at least admit, zig, that ex-doper husband's career was derailed because he rode clean and wouldn't get on a doping program? He was "selfish"! He thought of himself when he turned down Ferrari.
Moderators, I would prefer all vitriol and baiting remain posted and not moderated or deleted. All I ask is that any vitriol, smears, and/or baiting which appears stays but is not able to then be edited by those who posted such.

Thanks.

Genuine question...
Could Frankie not get a ride on another team once he was elbowed from postal?

 

[MacRoadie]

Genuine question...
Could Frankie not get a ride on another team once he was elbowed from postal?

A good question....for the honchos at Toyota United, Universal Sports, and Versus...

 

[andy1234]

A good question....for the honchos at Toyota United, Universal Sports, and Versus...

Im not sure I understand ???

 

[D-Queued]

A few problems with her statement about the medical room.

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Umm, jr, you are quoting and addressing the source herself. In this case, you can simply ask her about "your statement".

Yes, can you believe it, Betsy is a real person and she is actually posting on this thread.

Do they have that part covered in your manual? What do you do if these people turn out to be real?

We know that the manual does not cover, "What do you do when you find out their statements are true?"

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Im not sure I understand ???

The story goes, Toyota United, Universal Sports, and Versus all have one thing in common, Lance Armstrong. At each of those organizations, Wonderboy exerted his influence in order to get Andreau fired.

Given what is public knowledge about Wonderboy's fear strategy and intimidation tactics, it is reasonable to assume the basic story is accurate.

 

[Hugh Januss]

The story goes, Toyota United, Universal Sports, and Versus all have one thing in common, Lance Armstrong. At each of those organizations, Wonderboy exerted his influence in order to get Andreau fired.

Given what is public knowledge about Wonderboy's fear strategy and intimidation tactics, it is reasonable to assume the basic story is accurate.

Now zigwhatever will probably ask you to cite a source.

 

[andy1234]

The story goes, Toyota United, Universal Sports, and Versus all have one thing in common, Lance Armstrong. At each of those organizations, Wonderboy exerted his influence in order to get Andreau fired.

Given what is public knowledge about Wonderboy's fear strategy and intimidation tactics, it is reasonable to assume the basic story is accurate.

Could he not get a ride on a non US team?

 

[Anonymous]

Im not sure I understand ???

Yea, that's pretty clear. How would Frankie know if the decision involved Armstrong influencing a decision or his statements about what he heard being used against him? I am pretty sure they wouldn't tell him those things.

 

[andy1234]

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[Hugh Januss]

Could he not get a ride on a non US team?

Maybe he felt if Betsy wouldn't let him dope anymore it was time to go on to what bikeracers do when they don't race anymore.

 

[Granville57]

What the hell, this is the 'new normal'??
But at the end of the day, she simply did what a person should do. The fact that people view this as such an extraordinary act simply depresses me.

I totally get what you're saying, but...yeah, this is the "new normal." Considering just how absurd the denials and obfuscations have become over the years, when someone FINALLY says, "Uh, that's not true. Here are the facts of the story." It stands out as something noteworthy, if not astonishing.

The depressing part is that it has come to this as a direct result of the powers-that-be in pro cycling, and US cycling in particular (not to suggest that you are unfamiliar with the details). The encouraging part is that it would appear that what is "normal" is starting to turn quite dramatically.

 

[Hugh Januss]

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[MacRoadie]

And before someone has a Public Strategies "a-ha!" moment, yes Frankie left Postal four years before the SCA deposition, but there were other factors within the Armstrong/Andreu relationship that had soured at that point, and practically no one who leaves Lance for another team does so without significant grief.

Maybe Betsy will pop on to outline the circumstances.

 

[andy1234]

Maybe he felt if Betsy wouldn't let him dope anymore it was time to go on to what bikeracers do when they don't race anymore.

Understandable. I was wondering if other teams may have been reticent to hire him, given the reaction of Armstrong, or if it was his decision to move on.

 

[Race Radio]

A good question....for the honchos at Toyota United, Universal Sports, and Versus...

Frankie did the online broadcast of the Giro for Universal sports. It was some of his best work. It was good to hear a Pro that did not talk down to the viewer like Phil and Paul do. Very good technical and tactical information. When Wonderboy came back to ride the Giro one phone call and Frankie was off the Giro broadcast.

With NBC/Comcast merger all cycling will be under Universal Sports, the channel Frankie was booted from......No surprise that Frankie was the only one let go from the Tour team.

One of the best things that will come from this mess will be exposing how aggressively they went out to smear people and ruin their lives for telling the truth

 

[Hugh Januss]

I totally get what you're saying, but...yeah, this is the "new normal." Considering just how absurd the denials and obfuscations have become over the years, when someone FINALLY says, "Uh, that's not true. Here are the facts of the story." It stands out as something noteworthy, if not astonishing.

The depressing part is that it has come to this as a direct result of the powers-that-be in pro cycling, and US cycling in particular (not to suggest that you are unfamiliar with the details). The encouraging part is that it would appear that what is "normal" is starting to turn quite dramatically.

Considering every top cyclist has to lie about doping it absolutely has become the new normal. Which is why it is so funny (and aggravating) when people make a point of singling out FL and now TH as liars.

 

[patricknd]

Maybe he felt if Betsy wouldn't let him dope anymore it was time to go on to what bikeracers do when they don't race anymore.

get fat? i think he looks okay