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Lance sure gives a lot of "Donations"
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Lance sure gives a lot of "Donations"
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Race Radio said:http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/circlecitizen/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10503770
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Lance sure gives a lot of "Donations"
Clever response by the good Doctor "Last month, IM queried Dr. Einhorn... Einhorn's reply: “Utter nonsense.” That is not an explicit denial.
I'm not so sure he's the guy to chase down anyway. The intrigue is deeper inside the hospital administration. The quid-pro-quo had to have been discussed.
Race Radio said:http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/circlecitizen/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10503770
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Lance sure gives a lot of "Donations"
"..very troubling pattern..."
hasn't gone unnoticed...
Race Radio said:http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/circlecitizen/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10503770
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Lance sure gives a lot of "Donations"
Hmmmm, The link no longer works and the story has disappeared from the site.
Link may be down.....but not the cache
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...lecitizen/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10503770
Former Lance Armstrong Teammate Calls for Indy Doctors to Corroborate 1996 Doping Confession
Posted By: Adam Wren · 2/14/2013 4:05:00 PM
Former Lance Armstrong teammate Frankie Andreu tells IM that Dr. Larry Einhorn, esteemed oncologist with the IU School of Medicine and Lance Armstrong Foundation, was not present in the Indianapolis hospital room where Armstrong allegedly admitted to doping in 1996. But he wants to know the identities of the doctors who were.
“That’s the million-dollar question,” says Andreu. “If I knew that, all these problems probably would not exist.”
Last month, IM queried Dr. Einhorn—who treated Armstrong in the mid-’90s—about an affidavit in which Andreu claimed that at least two people in Indianapolis, evidently physicians, knew about Armstrong’s doping years before the recent scandal that stripped the cyclist of his Tour de France medals. Einhorn's reply: “Utter nonsense.”
In 2005, Andreu and his wife, Betsy, told attorneys with SCA Promotions, Inc., the Dallas-based insurance company that sued Armstrong last week for $12 million in prize money, that while Armstrong was in Indianapolis for cancer treatment, the couple heard him inform two “men in white coats” that he was on a cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs.
According to sworn affidavits, Betsy Andreu gave her deposition with SCA—in the presence of Armstrong—on Oct. 25, 2005. Two days later, on Oct. 27, the IU School of Medicine announced that the Lance Armstrong Foundation was donating $1.5 million to the university to fund Einhorn's pioneering cancer research.
Mary Maxwell, development director for the Simon Cancer Center and one of the key players involved in securing the donation for the hospital, says she began courting the endowment from Armstrong’s foundation in 2004. “It was a year in the making,” says Maxwell, adding that the hospital would have had no way of knowing about the Andreus' depositions, made just days before IU announced the gift.
But in November 2005, just a month after the depositions, Jeff Tillotson, an attorney for SCA, questioned Armstrong about the nature of the large hospital donation. Here's a portion of the transcript from the proceedings:
Tillotson: "You're not attempting to buy silence from someone at the Indiana University Hospital with your donation, because there's nothing to keep silent. Right?"
Armstrong: "Well, I'm sure you would love to paint that."
Tillotson: “Why did you say that?"
Armstrong: "Because that's—that's the—that's the tone of this entire case, the speculation and innuendo and rumor and second and third and fourth-hand information."
Tillotson tells IM that Armstrong “never completely or sufficiently explained the nature of the donation [to IU]—really, the amount of the donation—or why he made the donation at the particular time he did, to our satisfaction. And there was a very troubling pattern by Mr. Armstrong and his camp to dropping donations or cash contributions on various institutions or people who were getting ready to be asked questions about his illegal activities."
Betsy Andreu says she presumes she will be asked to testify in the current SCA case and believes Armstrong's alleged revelations in the Indianapolis hospital room will become the crux of the legal battle. "It's the foundation on which the whole Lance lie was built," she says. For now, she hopes the two witnesses from the hospital room will come forward to prove the veracity of her and her husband's allegation.
“So many people know [about Lance’s 1996 doping admission], and they’re still remaining quiet,” says Betsy Andreu. “How would they like it if somebody did to them what they did to us ... by remaining silent? How would they feel? We want them to come forward and say, ‘No, this did happen. They are telling the truth.’”
Armstrong has denied the Andreus' story in sworn testimony and public statements.
The pair claims that coming out against Armstrong has caused emotional and financial strain, and they speculate that others with knowledge of the Indianapolis hospital-room incident are keeping quiet to avoid the same fate.
“Armstrong verbally went after … Betsy, discrediting her, calling her a liar, and did the same to me,” says Andreu.“There are a lot of Lance Armstrong supporters, and a lot of them became not-supporters of ours. That definitely affected my work, and [my ability to make] a living in cycling.”
He goes on to say that Armstrong called him and his wife to apologize in a 10-minute conversation just days before the fallen cyclist’s interview with Oprah Winfrey aired.
“On the Oprah interview, he didn’t seem too contrite or sincere,” Andreu says. “On the phone with me ... he sounded sincere. He sounded apologetic. It was a voice of Lance Armstrong that I hadn’t heard in a very long time.”
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Former Lance Armstrong Teammate Calls for Indy Doctors to Corroborate 1996 Doping Confession
Posted By: Adam Wren · 2/14/2013 4:05:00 PM
Former Lance Armstrong teammate Frankie Andreu tells IM that Dr. Larry Einhorn, esteemed oncologist with the IU School of Medicine and Lance Armstrong Foundation, was not present in the Indianapolis hospital room where Armstrong allegedly admitted to doping in 1996. But he wants to know the identities of the doctors who were.
“That’s the million-dollar question,” says Andreu. “If I knew that, all these problems probably would not exist.”
Last month, IM queried Dr. Einhorn—who treated Armstrong in the mid-’90s—about an affidavit in which Andreu claimed that at least two people in Indianapolis, evidently physicians, knew about Armstrong’s doping years before the recent scandal that stripped the cyclist of his Tour de France medals. Einhorn's reply: “Utter nonsense.”
In 2005, Andreu and his wife, Betsy, told attorneys with SCA Promotions, Inc., the Dallas-based insurance company that sued Armstrong last week for $12 million in prize money, that while Armstrong was in Indianapolis for cancer treatment, the couple heard him inform two “men in white coats” that he was on a cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs.
According to sworn affidavits, Betsy Andreu gave her deposition with SCA—in the presence of Armstrong—on Oct. 25, 2005. Two days later, on Oct. 27, the IU School of Medicine announced that the Lance Armstrong Foundation was donating $1.5 million to the university to fund Einhorn's pioneering cancer research.
Mary Maxwell, development director for the Simon Cancer Center and one of the key players involved in securing the donation for the hospital, says she began courting the endowment from Armstrong’s foundation in 2004. “It was a year in the making,” says Maxwell, adding that the hospital would have had no way of knowing about the Andreus' depositions, made just days before IU announced the gift.
But in November 2005, just a month after the depositions, Jeff Tillotson, an attorney for SCA, questioned Armstrong about the nature of the large hospital donation. Here's a portion of the transcript from the proceedings:
Tillotson: "You're not attempting to buy silence from someone at the Indiana University Hospital with your donation, because there's nothing to keep silent. Right?"
Armstrong: "Well, I'm sure you would love to paint that."
Tillotson: “Why did you say that?"
Armstrong: "Because that's—that's the—that's the tone of this entire case, the speculation and innuendo and rumor and second and third and fourth-hand information."
Tillotson tells IM that Armstrong “never completely or sufficiently explained the nature of the donation [to IU]—really, the amount of the donation—or why he made the donation at the particular time he did, to our satisfaction. And there was a very troubling pattern by Mr. Armstrong and his camp to dropping donations or cash contributions on various institutions or people who were getting ready to be asked questions about his illegal activities."
Betsy Andreu says she presumes she will be asked to testify in the current SCA case and believes Armstrong's alleged revelations in the Indianapolis hospital room will become the crux of the legal battle. "It's the foundation on which the whole Lance lie was built," she says. For now, she hopes the two witnesses from the hospital room will come forward to prove the veracity of her and her husband's allegation.
“So many people know [about Lance’s 1996 doping admission], and they’re still remaining quiet,” says Betsy Andreu. “How would they like it if somebody did to them what they did to us ... by remaining silent? How would they feel? We want them to come forward and say, ‘No, this did happen. They are telling the truth.’”
Armstrong has denied the Andreus' story in sworn testimony and public statements.
The pair claims that coming out against Armstrong has caused emotional and financial strain, and they speculate that others with knowledge of the Indianapolis hospital-room incident are keeping quiet to avoid the same fate.
“Armstrong verbally went after … Betsy, discrediting her, calling her a liar, and did the same to me,” says Andreu.“There are a lot of Lance Armstrong supporters, and a lot of them became not-supporters of ours. That definitely affected my work, and [my ability to make] a living in cycling.”
He goes on to say that Armstrong called him and his wife to apologize in a 10-minute conversation just days before the fallen cyclist’s interview with Oprah Winfrey aired.
“On the Oprah interview, he didn’t seem too contrite or sincere,” Andreu says. “On the phone with me ... he sounded sincere. He sounded apologetic. It was a voice of Lance Armstrong that I hadn’t heard in a very long time.”
Hmmm, anyone see a pattern?
Donated to the UCI
Donated to Clinton
Donated to Boxer and Feinstein favorite cause
Donated to the UCI again
Donated to Einhorn
Donated to Nichols
Tried to donate to USADA
Donated to the UCI
Donated to Clinton
Donated to Boxer and Feinstein favorite cause
Donated to the UCI again
Donated to Einhorn
Donated to Nichols
Tried to donate to USADA
Race Radio said:
Does the Birotte family have a foundation/charity/good cause? (just joking, sort of).
dont we want to know if there was a big donation in 1999 to Verbruggen by Gorski and Wiesel in the hotel/guestroom during l'affaire cortisone positive.Race Radio said:
the chinese whisper speculation was 500k US$, '99 pre monetary easing gold standard dollar
I would like to propose that the investigation is not Lance-centric.. they maybe casting a wider net, although this is just my speculation.
Weisels name has been mentioned, and he has been involved with LA prior to pro-contracts, may even have picked LA because of his early predisposition to do well doping on the Jr development squad. This would make LA look the victim, he only took what he was told too, when he started serious cycling by older/wiser mentor...That phone call to GLM, which he denies, was some serious, yet veiled threats...hard to beleive GLM was only one to get a call...
Than there was all the closed door schmoozing with unltra-wealthy/powerful sponsors. They are a smart bunch, but vain in-extremis. They would have loved knowing 'how' LA did soo well..many had to know about the doping generally going on in pro-cycling at that time from their other inside contacts.LA is nothing if not a braggart.
And Ms McI..would LA have pressured her..or??? Her boss at Oakley??
This would also help explain the needing to know about early-days stuff.
Just some food for disscussion.
Weisels name has been mentioned, and he has been involved with LA prior to pro-contracts, may even have picked LA because of his early predisposition to do well doping on the Jr development squad. This would make LA look the victim, he only took what he was told too, when he started serious cycling by older/wiser mentor...That phone call to GLM, which he denies, was some serious, yet veiled threats...hard to beleive GLM was only one to get a call...
Than there was all the closed door schmoozing with unltra-wealthy/powerful sponsors. They are a smart bunch, but vain in-extremis. They would have loved knowing 'how' LA did soo well..many had to know about the doping generally going on in pro-cycling at that time from their other inside contacts.LA is nothing if not a braggart.
And Ms McI..would LA have pressured her..or??? Her boss at Oakley??
This would also help explain the needing to know about early-days stuff.
Just some food for disscussion.
So where....
So where did the story go? They just took it down, gave no reason, now it's dead from the cache...did the reporter leak info someone didn't want out or what?
So where did the story go? They just took it down, gave no reason, now it's dead from the cache...did the reporter leak info someone didn't want out or what?
My guess is the following mis-represents what Betsy said or intended to say in the interview, and that can be a reason to pull the story:scshout said:
It is difficult to see how the hospital room incident would be relevant to the SCA suit, much less be the crux of it. Armstrong has admitted doping, and SCA has already stated that the original contract did not prohibit doping. Doping is not the issue; the TDF titles are the issue.
tomdalton said:
Stale leftovers. Lance jacked as a junior before he met TW. Catch up; Lance and Thom were just made for the same sort of Con. Texas style...
Oldman said:
Than let us take THAT out of equation...
We still have the call to GLM, again..this is ONLY time Thom stepped in?? Doubtful to my mind. Doubtful also that anyone would cover for him at this point, if they were a cross-reference witness...money, sometimes, can't buy everything, especially if no ones going to pay to shut you up.
And the cabal of sponsors, seems thinking they ALL were out of doping loop is bit much..some were/are very savy at sports with plenty of private colloberation from other sources...what would have been seen to be the threat to knowing? when 'everyone' also knew that doping was widespread..of course proving complicaty and helping LA advance his 'program' is tough, which leads us back to who pressured McI on her testimony??
http://deadspin.com/5985396/why-did-a-magazine-snip-the-balls-off-its-lance-armstrong-story
Still trying to control the message
Still trying to control the message
Race Radio said:
Nice catch RR! Yeah, no payoffs to keep the real info from leaking happened there
Race Radio said:
Recent comment from a poster ( I don't know him.)
DougExeter and 3 more Reply
It was simply common courtesy. At this point, a writer going off half-cocked about Armstrong is just kinda rubbing his nose in it.
Good interview with Betsy. http://thestory.org/archive/2102_3_07_thestory_lance_armstrong.mp3
Talks about her phone calls with lance, the truth, and forgiveness.
Talks about her phone calls with lance, the truth, and forgiveness.
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