Better Cobblestone rider: Boonen or Cancellara?

[El Pistolero]

In E3 2008, Canc was clearly the best. Remember taaienberg? You prob thought no one would remember that race lol Canc even tried to drop Boonen but no use and had a teammate up front who btw won.
In E3 2007 Canc almost won the sprint while at that time Boonen was top 3 sprinter. You make it seem Canc became 4th but he was 2nd!!! lol
Can't count PR '09 btw ;)

I can and I did. Just like I can say Cancellara was stronger than Boonen in 2011.

And I remember E3 2008 very well and Boonen was definitely stronger. He was also stronger in the Ronde van Vlaanderen 2008. But you know, team-mate up front. Same story for 2009.

In E3 2007 Boonen wasted more energy than Cancellara during the race and finished it off in the sprint. I did not make it sound like he got fourth, I merely stated a fact.

Still pretty random considering this thread is about cobbles and nothing else. I think you just saw an opportunity to slip your love interest Gilbert into a discussion where he doesn't have any place. Probably wasn't the first time.

How is it random? Someone says Boonen is all about cobbles I point out he has achieved other great things besides cobbled races. That happens to include Paris-Tours. I would have showed that picture regardless of who won it. He's also in the other picture by the way.

Try and actually read which post I quoted.

exactly.

Why though then do you keep arguing about who was better between Cancellara and Boonen in 2005?

I'm not doing that. I'm arguing who was better in 2002-2009 and again in 2012. Do you want me to ignore 9 years in favor of two? And like Miburo said, it's not about who's better right now, but overall.

 

[El Pistolero]

Still pretty random considering this thread is about cobbles and nothing else. I think you just saw an opportunity to slip your love interest Gilbert into a discussion where he doesn't have any place. Probably wasn't the first time.

How is it random? Someone says Boonen is all about cobbles I point out he has achieved other great things besides cobbled races. That happens to include Paris-Tours. I would have showed that picture regardless of who won it.

Try and actually read which post I quoted.

 

[will10]

So Froome is a better cobbles rider than Garzelli, right?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

This I agree with. Compare Boonen's win in Flanders this year to Cancellara's in 2010. Just so much more convincing. Boonen was struggling to hold the wheel of Pozzato and Ballan uphill.

exactly. when cancellara wins, he rules over the race. I also remember that e3 win, something I've never seen boonen do or will ever see him do.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yet he couldn't drop Chavanel or Hushovd anymore in 2011. I think Boonen in top form is just that little bit stronger than Hushovd and Chavanel.

2010 is also irrelevant now then.

what are you talking about? roubaix 2011? he dropped everyone there in the end and nearly won the race, only vansummeren stayed away

 

[El Pistolero]

exactly. when cancellara wins, he rules over the race. I also remember that e3 win, something I've never seen boonen do or will ever see him do.

You mean when all the good riders were riding Gent-Wevelem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJpA8-lSI44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTSTlt2Zqjg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Yy4dj-koM

http://www.sporza.be/permalink/1.988671

http://www.sporza.be/permalink/1.988645

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Cancellara never dropped Chavanel.

If you're talking about Boonen: he got sick during Tirreno-Adriatico and was coming back from a knee injury. Those things tend to undermine your preparation.

yet we shouldn't talk about cancellaras actual CRASH in tour of flanders last year? you truly are a joke, but pls continue. it's getting more hilarious with every post

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Boonen was having a problem with his shifting gears. Now whether that was an excuse or not I do not know(nor do you), but it does explain why he struggled on that hill.

That's one year only anyway, completely ignoring everything else.

the same boonen who said one time he lost a sprint because his tube was emptying? or the same boonen who got his *** kicked in msr sprint by petacchi, but boonen claiming he lost the sprint deliberatly because he saw pozzato was winning, when clealry in eveyr replay you would see boonen sprint to the line. the guy is a f;'n joke in all of his comments. he's a worse loser than thor hushovd. and also if I got 5 cents every time boonen came up with his shifting gears excuse. I'd be a millionaire. what imbecile is he? a pro rider that can't even shift gears? he's a bigger idiot than andy schleck

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You mean when all the good riders were riding Gent-Wevelem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJpA8-lSI44

I don't care what you say about compeition. show me boonen doing that in any race anywhere.

 

[serfla]

the same boonen who said one time he lost a sprint because his tube was emptying? or the same boonen who got his *** kicked in msr sprint by petacchi, but boonen claiming he lost the sprint deliberatly because he saw pozzato was winning, when clealry in eveyr replay you would see boonen sprint to the line. the guy is a f;'n joke in all of his comments. he's a worse loser than thor hushovd. and also if I got 5 cents every time boonen came up with his shifting gears excuse. I'd be a millionaire. what imbecile is he? a pro rider that can't even shift gears? he's a bigger idiot than andy schleck

He just can't get used to. It happens rarely.

 

[El Pistolero]

I don't care what you say about compeition. show me boonen doing that in any race anywhere.

I showed you 5 vids, but you're not smart enough to click and watch a race, so before you call pro riders idiots look into a mirror.

And learn how to spell for crying out loud. Your Dutch is even worse than your English, I find that worrying. I wouldn't call people "dumb" and "idiots" all the time if I were you. Most of them will probably have a bigger intellectual capacity than you.

yet we shouldn't talk about cancellaras actual CRASH in tour of flanders last year? you truly are a joke, but pls continue. it's getting more hilarious with every post

I never said you couldn't. I said that if you want to play the injury card with Cancellara you have to do the same when talking about Boonen, but Hitch and you clearly have no intention of doing that. The sword cuts both ways.

 

[Parrulo]

cool it down with the personal insults or bans will be handed to both sides of the discussion.

 

[Wallace]

the same boonen who said one time he lost a sprint because his tube was emptying? or the same boonen who got his *** kicked in msr sprint by petacchi, but boonen claiming he lost the sprint deliberatly because he saw pozzato was winning, when clealry in eveyr replay you would see boonen sprint to the line. the guy is a f;'n joke in all of his comments. he's a worse loser than thor hushovd. and also if I got 5 cents every time boonen came up with his shifting gears excuse. I'd be a millionaire. what imbecile is he? a pro rider that can't even shift gears? he's a bigger idiot than andy schleck

Sorry to spoil your little rant with facts, but the race you're going on about is the 2006 Milan-San Remo. Here's the video, with slow-motion. http://www.cyclingfever.com/video.html?detp=view&video_idd=ODQyMg==

It isn't subtle. Boonen is on Petacchi's wheel and as soon as he sees Pozzato win, which is considerably before the line, he sits up, stops sprinting, and raises his hands in celebration for his team mate. Which isn't to say that he would have beaten Petacchi, but that he clearly didn't try. You might want to watch the video again.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I showed you 5 vids, but you're not smart enough to click and watch a race, so before you call pro riders idiots look into a mirror.

And learn how to spell for crying out loud. Your Dutch is even worse than your English, I find that worrying. I wouldn't call people "dumb" and "idiots" all the time if I were you. Most of them will probably have a bigger intellectual capacity than you.



I never said you couldn't. I said that if you want to play the injury card with Cancellara you have to do the same when talking about Boonen, but Hitch and you clearly have no intention of doing that. The sword cuts both ways.

none of the videos you showed me, were anything close of what cancellara did that e3. what cancellara did there. I've never seen in my life

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Sorry to spoil your little rant with facts, but the race you're going on about is the 2006 Milan-San Remo. Here's the video, with slow-motion. http://www.cyclingfever.com/video.html?detp=view&video_idd=ODQyMg==

It isn't subtle. Boonen is on Petacchi's wheel and as soon as he sees Pozzato win, which is considerably before the line, he sits up, stops sprinting, and raises his hands in celebration for his team mate. Which isn't to say that he would have beaten Petacchi, but that he clearly didn't try. You might want to watch the video again.

boonen after the finish claimed he would've beaten petacchi had he not sen pozzato won. boonen clealry went sprint full on, when he saw he lost, he sat up and pretended to be glad about pozzato's win. he could've never foreseen that. was very close anyway

 

[Echoes]

It seems we almost only talk about GT's. Well this should be interesting.

Yes, CN forum is not what it used to be, I keep saying it.



However, the answer is Boonen.

Cancellara is the best rider overall, though. You don't need to be a cobble specialist to win Paris-Roubaix. He won his two Paris-Roubaix because he was the best on the asphalt but not on the cobbles, just like Merckx and Hinault before him.

Remember this: Paris-Roubaix is not a race for specialists !

 

[El Pistolero]

none of the videos you showed me, were anything close of what cancellara did that e3. what cancellara did there. I've never seen in my life

Watch a race where Cancellara's main rival isn't Bram Tankink then.

 

[The Hitch]

I never said you couldn't. I said that if you want to play the injury card with Cancellara you have to do the same when talking about Boonen, but Hitch and you clearly have no intention of doing that. The sword cuts both ways.

Come on thats slander. Even you testified before that whatever my flaws hypocricy is not.one. When did i overlook boonens injuries? I havent even made many comments on 2010 or 11 all ive been arguing this whole thread is that empjasis on what happened 5,6,7 years ago is overblown. Im always willing to consider opponents injuries and yes boonen was unlucky in pr 2011 for example ( and actually canc himself could have benefited from boonen there.

And hell the main "injury" to boonen youve mentioned this thread was what boonen is goong through now and you then said that the hitch would no doubt ignore it of cancellara wins next year. Which is a bit cheap bevause that hasnt happenednso you are attavking me.for what you percieve may happen in the future.

 

[jens_attacks]

better cobblestone rider? i'd say tommeke looking at the palmares
still cancellara is like isaac sirko said about dexter, a different kind of animal. superior to boonen. i eagerly await the clash of these titans in april!

 

[Echoes]

Better cobblestone rider: Boonen
Better rider by potential: Cancellara

Agree on that.

I repeat my post because I hate posting last on a page.


The answer is Boonen.

Cancellara is the best rider overall, though. You don't need to be a cobble specialist to win Paris-Roubaix. He won his two Paris-Roubaix because he was the best on the asphalt but not on the cobbles, just like Merckx and Hinault before him.

Remember this: Paris-Roubaix is not a race for specialists.


And I add that by 1982, De Vlaeminck said: "Hinault and Raas won Paris-Roubaix because they were great champions but not cobble specialists."

I guess he knows what he's saying.

 

[silverrocket]

There's a lot of things that make a great cobbles rider. Canc in general seems to have the better engine (joke only partly intended...), but Boonen seems to be better at actually racing: can win more ways, better positioning, better decision making and reading of races. Canc has one card to play, it's better than Boonen's best card, and when the time is right Canc can win big. But Boonen has more cards he can play, and a better sense of when to play those cards.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

boonen is definitely not better in positioning himself. cancellara is probably the best placer and steerer in the entire peloton, save perhaps sagan

 

[Miburo]

boonen is definitely not better in positioning himself. cancellara is probably the best placer and steerer in the entire peloton, save perhaps sagan

Boonen is better in positioning, that's been proven enough in the cobblestone races.

 

[Angliru]

better cobblestone rider? i'd say tommeke looking at the palmares
still cancellara is like isaac sirko said about dexter, a different kind of animal. superior to boonen. i eagerly await the clash of these titans in april!

Shame about Isaac although I knew his end had to come eventually. I just wished they could've drawn out his character's time on the show a bit longer. One of the better TV villains.

Okay, back to cycling.

 

[serfla]

boonen is definitely not better in positioning himself. cancellara is probably the best placer and steerer in the entire peloton, save perhaps sagan

Skilled in placing his back on the ground, or chain around his neck?