Big George testified he and lance supplied each other with EPO

[leftover pie]

Validation feels so great....the cake is baking well and just got some icing...boy am I looking foward to the Chery on top.

a cheryl on top?

that will be something to crow about.

 

[ChrisE]

The reason "the US government will never bring LA up on charges of doping", is because no such law exists.

However there are lots of laws that exist for the transportation and distribution of non prescribed drugs, lots of laws for financial malpractice, lots of laws for lying in front of a GJ or to a Federal Officer.

No sporting laws, but there is law against taking prescription drugs without a prescription. I agree this will not be about LA taking drugs, though.

I asked this earlier.....has it been established that LA was an owner in Tailwind during the USPS years?

 

[D-Queued]

No sporting laws, but there is law against taking prescription drugs without a prescription. I agree this will not be about LA taking drugs, though.

I asked this earlier.....has it been established that LA was an owner in Tailwind during the USPS years?

Minimally he had an option. That counts.

Dr. M provided paperwork earlier indicating that he had an ownerhsip role (and was a Director or Officer).

Moreover, from his deposition:

Q. Do you have any ownership interest in Tailwind Sports?
A. A small one.

Dave.

 

[ChrisE]

Minimally he had an option. That counts.

Dr. M provided paperwork earlier indicating that he had an ownerhsip role (and was a Director or Officer).

Moreover, from his deposition:

Q. Do you have any ownership interest in Tailwind Sports?
A. A small one.

Dave.

I was aware of the SCA testimony, but missed doc's post. Thanks.

But, I thought Herman backtracked from that?

 

[Granville57]

I was aware of the SCA testimony, but missed doc's post.

The first two posts from Dr. Maserati lay it out pretty well here:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11733&highlight=expand+bit%3F

 

[Polish]

Flicker, Polish, Cobblestoned, care to comment?

Hello?


Hello?


Is this thing on?

CBS did not have the facts correct.
60 minutes was wrong.
Fabiani was right:

CBS attacked the reputation of George Hincapie.

The statements attributed to Hincapie are inaccurate

The reports of his testimony are unreliable.

 

[Oldman]

CBS did not have the facts correct.
60 minutes was wrong.
Fabiani was right:

CBS attacked the reputation of George Hincapie.

The statements attributed to Hincapie are inaccurate

The reports of his testimony are unreliable.

....as reported by Mr. Fabiani.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

CBS did not have the facts correct.
60 minutes was wrong.
Fabiani was right:

CBS attacked the reputation of George Hincapie.

The statements attributed to Hincapie are inaccurate

The reports of his testimony are unreliable.

Fabiani? He must have gone to Carmichael to be able to spin that well.

“It’s the cycling world and it’s a small world, so when witnesses are going before the grand jury at least in the past we’ve always known about it. In addition journalists from the AP stake out the grand jury room in Los Angeles every Wednesday afternoon so they know who is coming and going and they’ve not reported anybody since last October,” Fabiani said.

“It seems like less than ten, if I had to guess. So some of the people the press may have thought have gone before the grand jury really haven’t. Based on what we’ve heard from our own sources and the AP, the number is ten or less.”

And Armstrogs legal team tried to accuse the other side of leaks?
Sounds like that whole thing was a fishing expedition to see who had testified - and that they have been left in the dark.

 

[fatandfast]

CBS did not have the facts correct.
60 minutes was wrong.
Fabiani was right:

CBS attacked the reputation of George Hincapie.

The statements attributed to Hincapie are inaccurate

The reports of his testimony are unreliable.

Polish I hope for your health, that you do not harbor any thought that Lance was the only clean guy in a sport where EVERYBODY is getting injections for everything. He may have been the only guy that didn't do anything, highly unlikely. Lance has been surrounded by dope and dopers from Subaru on, on that team one guy had jammed caffeine suppositories up his rump in order to get the edge. His 1st coach was from the east block and has a pretty deep history in questionable fuel and training choices of his athletes.

I hardly think any of us know what George did or didn't say. Maybe he was told not to talk about it and he has been able to follow instructions.
The law is on Armstrong's side, events happened 10 years ago in a far off land in a bus or van. The events happened under the testing and supervision of a respected race organization. The people raising questions about Lance are admitted cheats and drug users.
The facts around Armstrong's career can't be changed but they can be diluted with age. If this goes to trial the discovery period may take years, back and forth to France, Belgium,Italy and Switzerland as per the Hamilton/Landis/Novitzky's chain of events. After all Lance says nothing ever happened. So in theory it will all be brand new to him and his legal investigators.
If Lance thought it was a quick win he would have already filed a motion against 60 Minutes. The fact that he didn't means that he doesn't want to wage war on two fronts or that it was all PR to say that CBS had wronged him.
I don't want to spend the cash on catching Lance, but nobody w my checkbook cares what I think. I also think Lance used during many phases of his career,just like all the other guys who was caught or admitted it afterward without coming up positive.

Why Lance's legal team would give any interview and say"bring it on" is so totally stupid it defies legal logic. One guy has unlimited resources and the other cash dependent on his public persona. To call out the US government is dumb.

 

[Race Radio]

CBS did not have the facts correct.
60 minutes was wrong.
Fabiani was right:

CBS attacked the reputation of George Hincapie.

The statements attributed to Hincapie are inaccurate

The reports of his testimony are unreliable.

I suggest you go watch 60 Minutes again, they were 100% correct.

George volunteered to speak with investigators. He never spoke to the GJ. Fabiani needs to get his lies straight, no GJ leaks.

 

[thehog]

I don’t think he spoke out of his own volition. It would be better to positioned that he was advised to offer what he knew to avoid being subpoenaed to appear in front of the grand jury and face potential charges down the line.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Why Lance's legal team would give any interview and say"bring it on" is so totally stupid it defies legal logic. One guy has unlimited resources and the other cash dependent on his public persona. To call out the US government is dumb.

Because they know a perp walk is scheduled for tomorrow?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I suggest you go watch 60 Minutes again, they were 100% correct.

George volunteered to speak with investigators. He never spoke to the GJ. Fabiani needs to get his lies straight, no GJ leaks.

Note to Polish--lying to a federal agent is a felony. George possibly gave a sworn statement to investigators in lieu of GJ testimony.

 

[thehog]

I don’t think he spoke out of his own volition. It would be better to positioned that he was advised to offer what he knew to avoid being subpoenaed to appear in front of the grand jury and face potential charges down the line.

Thanks Hog I would agree.

 

[BotanyBay]

I suggest you go watch 60 Minutes again, they were 100% correct.


George volunteered to speak with investigators. He never spoke to the GJ. Fabiani needs to get his lies straight, no GJ leaks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/8527684/George-Hincapie-denies-reports-he-has-implicated-Lance-Armstrong-in-doping-investigation.html

"George Hincapie, currently riding in the Tour of California, has denied talking to CBS who last night reported that he was the latest rider to line up against former US Postal colleague Lance Armstrong and give evidence that the seven time Tour de France winner used performance enhancing drugs.

Hincapie has not however denied that he has give evidence to the Federal Grand jury who are currently investigating the alleged used of PHS at US Postal over a decade ago, nor had he denied the content of the CBS reports. He has simply denied talking to them (CBS)."

 

[Polish]

This has to be the coup de gras. I don’t know how LA can survive this.

I’m not surprised that George testified this way, at all. He’s slowly turning himself into a businessman with his clothing line, and for the last five years has been trying to find capital investors for his Pla d'Adet resort. Tell the truth now, and he can likely come out okay, go down with the ship and it’s likely a really long ride to the bottom.

Well Alpe, it turns out Big George did NOT testify after all.
Must be a big suprise to most posters in this thread yikes.

And if you Google "George Hincapie Grand Jury Testimony" you will get 60,000 stories.

What a Bunch of BS.
What a Smear Job.

60 Minutes Lance Story....a plethora of leading questions and BS.

They owe Lance and George an apology.
Retraction.

 

[Benotti69]

Well Alpe, it turns out Big George did NOT testify after all.
Must be a big suprise to most posters in this thread yikes.

And if you Google "George Hincapie Grand Jury Testimony" you will get 60,000 stories.

What a Bunch of BS.
What a Smear Job.

60 Minutes Lance Story....a plethora of leading questions and BS.

They owe Lance and George an apology.
Retraction.

George talked to the Feds, which is giving testimony.

Dont let facts get in the way of your yellow myth making.

 

[sherer]

George talked to the Feds, which is giving testimony.

Dont let facts get in the way of your yellow myth making.

The FACT is no one but George really knows the truth. The only actual comment out in the public domain is from the GH saying he can't comment. Anything else is pure speculation and not a fact

 

[MacRoadie]

And if you Google "George Hincapie Grand Jury Testimony" you will get 60,000 stories.

But if you bother to actually watch the interview (and pay attention), you'll find that the segment (and Pelley and CBS) NEVER states that Hincapie testified before the grand jury, merely that he spoke to investigators.

Tyler Hamilton on 60 Minutes

 

[MarkvW]

The FACT is no one but George really knows the truth. The only actual comment out in the public domain is from the GH saying he can't comment. Anything else is pure speculation and not a fact

The people (federal investigators) to whom George spoke would also really know the truth. It is most reasonable to infer that 60 Minutes got their information from those people or their reports.

 

[zigmeister]

George talked to the Feds, which is giving testimony.

Dont let facts get in the way of your yellow myth making.

Talking to investigators, and providing testimony under oath to a Federal Grand Jury are two different things.

 

[MacRoadie]

Talking to investigators, and providing testimony under oath to a Federal Grand Jury are two different things.

True, but isn't a sworn declaration or sworn statement sometimes referred to as "signed testimony"?

Isn't it also true that federal courts allow such signed statements as "testimony" in cases where lower courts would normally require a witnessed and notarized affidavit?

 

[MarkvW]

Talking to investigators, and providing testimony under oath to a Federal Grand Jury are two different things.

Yes they are different things.

 

[MacRoadie]

Yes they are different things.

Yes, the point I was making is that when Scott Pelley says in the 60 Minutes segment voice-over that Hincapie "testified to investigators", he could have been referring to a sworn statement made by Hincapie (if one does exist and I have no idea if it does) which, under federal rules, could be admitted as a form of "signed testimony" nd used, in turn, by the grand jury. Still not the same as testifying in person though.

All just speculation of course, but a bit more straightforward than someone twisting "testified to investigators" into "testified before the grand jury", then representing that as proof of a grand jury leak.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The people (federal investigators) to whom George spoke would also really know the truth. It is most reasonable to infer that 60 Minutes got their information from those people or their reports.

How is it "most reasonable"?

If CBS were getting their details from the Feds or 'reports' then they would have a lot more detail.
The information provided by CBS had little detail - just that LA had used and had given GH EPO, that is the kind of detail you get from someone who asked Hincapie what happened.