Big George testified he and lance supplied each other with EPO

[Cimacoppi49]

True, but isn't a sworn declaration or sworn statement sometimes referred to as "signed testimony"?

Isn't it also true that federal courts allow such signed statements as "testimony" in cases where lower courts would normally require a witnessed and notarized affidavit?

It's hearsay unless the statement can fit into one of the exceptions to the hearsay rule.

 

[MarkvW]

Yes, the point I was making is that when Scott Pelley says in the 60 Minutes segment voice-over that Hincapie "testified to investigators", he could have been referring to a sworn statement made by Hincapie (if one does exist and I have no idea if it does) which, under federal rules, could be admitted as a form of "signed testimony".

All just speculation of course, but a bit more straightforward than someone twisting "testified to investigators" into "testified before the grand jury", then representing that as proof of a grand jury leak.

You're right, of course. A honeycrisp apple and a jonagold apple are different things, also, but both are apples.

 

[MarkvW]

It's hearsay unless the statement can fit into one of the exceptions to the hearsay rule.

In that instance it would still be hearsay, but it would be admissible hearsay.

 

[MarkvW]

How is it "most reasonable"?

If CBS were getting their details from the Feds or 'reports' then they would have a lot more detail.
The information provided by CBS had little detail - just that LA had used and had given GH EPO, that is the kind of detail you get from someone who asked Hincapie what happened.

The only other source would be George himself, or a person whom George talked with about his statement. George denies being the source. It could have been a friend, sure. I used to think it was a friend snitching George off, but his confidantes have kept George's confidences for all these years . . . Why screw him over now?

 

[Anonymous]

Well Alpe, it turns out Big George did NOT testify after all.
Must be a big suprise to most posters in this thread yikes.

And if you Google "George Hincapie Grand Jury Testimony" you will get 60,000 stories.

What a Bunch of BS.
What a Smear Job.

60 Minutes Lance Story....a plethora of leading questions and BS.

They owe Lance and George an apology.
Retraction.

You might want to watch the 60 Minutes interview again before posting. If you want to look ignorant, keep rowing the boat you're in. Grrrr. Laser like focus! lol.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The only other source would be George himself, or a person whom George talked with about his statement. George denies being the source. It could have been a friend, sure. I used to think it was a friend snitching George off, but his confidantes have kept George's confidences for all these years . . . Why screw him over now?

Sure George denies being the source - I doubt he is.

I doubt it is a close acquaintance but I do think it is someone in GHs extended group. They would not have been in the loop about GHs doping until this investigation came up and they are not privy to any major details (times, places) but know that he has admitted his and LAs involvement.

 

[Polish]

You might want to watch the 60 Minutes interview again before posting. If you want to look ignorant, keep rowing the boat you're in. Grrrr. Laser like focus! lol.

What do you mean "watch it again"?
I did not watch it the first time lol.
"The Simpsons" had a special episode that night.

All I heard and read was that "George testified against Lance".
Everyone was happy and gleeful in the Clinic.
Major Bonification. Read this thread from the beginning for a good laugh

 

[MacRoadie]

I did not watch it the first time lol.
"The Simpsons" had a special episode that night.

I wish there was a knob on the TV so you could turn up the intelligence. They got one marked "brightness" but it don't work, does it?

~Leo Anthony Gallagher

Television's perfect. You turn a few knobs, a few of those mechanical adjustments at which the higher apes are so proficient, and lean back and drain your mind of all thought. And there you are watching the bubbles in the primeval ooze. You don't have to concentrate. You don't have to react. You don't
have to remember. You don't miss your brain because you don't need it. Your heart and liver and lungs continue to function normally. Apart from that, all is peace and quiet. You are in the man's nirvana.

~Raymond Chandler

**********

 

[Benotti69]

Talking to investigators, and providing testimony under oath to a Federal Grand Jury are two different things.

Testimony is a solemn attestation as to the truth of a matter.

I think the feds will have been wanting to hear the 'truth of a matter' from George.

 

[Anonymous]

What do you mean "watch it again"?
I did not watch it the first time lol.
"The Simpsons" had a special episode that night.

All I heard and read was that "George testified against Lance".
Everyone was happy and gleeful in the Clinic.
Major Bonification. Read this thread from the beginning for a good laugh

Row Row Row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily, your hero was nothing but a possible classics contender until he bought a Ferrari. lol.

 

[Anonymous]

Row Row Row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily, your hero was nothing but a possible classics contender until he bought a Ferrari. lol.

Row Row Row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily, your hero was nothing but a fat possible classics contender until he bought a Ferrari. lol.


My $0.02.

 

[Boeing]

Row Row Row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily, your hero was nothing but a possible classics contender until he bought a Ferrari. lol.

more like gently UP a stream

 

[Boeing]

while the consensus in this forum is that an LA indictment will be the greatest thing since indexed shifting, the greatest thing to happen to this forum would be no indictment

 

[MarkvW]

while the consensus in this forum is that an LA indictment will be the greatest thing since indexed shifting, the greatest thing to happen to this forum would be no indictment

Nah. The greatest thing since indexed shifting is high-power LED lights!

 

[Polish]

Row Row Row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily, your hero was nothing but a fat possible classics contender until he bought a Ferrari. lol.


My $0.02.

"We can share the women, we can share the wine.
We can share what we got of yours,
'cause we done shared all of mine"

Yes, Lance was FAT pre-cancer compared to post-cancer.
Some say that led to his transformation - but that is plain silly.
The Mental Transformation was at least as important as the Physical imo.
Took mental and will power to keep the weight off. Weighing food etc.
And of course the physical and mental transformation were themselves only part of the story...

George was a stellar classics rider early on too.
And yes, George used Dr Ferrarri and shared EPO with Lance.
Shared like a band of brothers. Shared like BFFs.
Although evidence seems to show Dr Ferrarri backed off a bit with Lance post cancer. Not so sure about George.

Of course, Lance was pegged as a GT winner early on - so it is understandable why their careers varied so much even though the programs and their teams were so similiar.

But both Lance and George were and still are so tough.
Lance has the most TdF starts for a multiple Tour Winner.
George has the most starts for the TdF period.
Healthy as horses those two. Long careers.
Some research should be done to understand why?
I know what Oxford Professor Julian Savulescu would argue...

 

[Cimacoppi49]

"We can share the women, we can share the wine.
We can share what we got of yours,
'cause we done shared all of mine"

Yes, Lance was FAT pre-cancer compared to post-cancer.
Some say that led to his transformation - but that is plain silly.
The Mental Transformation was at least as important as the Physical imo.
Took mental and will power to keep the weight off. Weighing food etc.
And of course the physical and mental transformation were themselves only part of the story...

George was a stellar classics rider early on too.
And yes, George used Dr Ferrarri and shared EPO with Lance.
Shared like a band of brothers. Shared like BFFs.
Although evidence seems to show Dr Ferrarri backed off a bit with Lance post cancer. Not so sure about George.

Of course, Lance was pegged as a GT winner early on - so it is understandable why their careers varied so much even though the programs and their teams were so similiar.

But both Lance and George were and still are so tough.
Lance has the most TdF starts for a multiple Tour Winner.
George has the most starts for the TdF period.
Healthy as horses those two. Long careers.
Some research should be done to understand why?
I know what Oxford Professor Julian Savulescu would argue...

The post cancer weight loss has been exposed as a myth and debunked several years ago. Lance was never pegged as a tour winner pre-cancer. We've already discussed that here and shown that your statement is fanboy fantasy.

 

[Polish]

The post cancer weight loss has been exposed as a myth and debunked several years ago. Lance was never pegged as a tour winner pre-cancer. We've already discussed that here and shown that your statement is fanboy fantasy.

Scott called him fat you know.
Scott SoCal is not a fanboy, but he knows.
Lance was tubby early on.
Chips and dip. Double dipper lol.

Lance headlocked a rider after being poked in the tummy and called "Pillsbury Doughboy". Great story. Do some homework.

And many people pegged Lance as the next Greg Lemond.
"Lance will win the Tour someday".
Talking heads said it. But experts did also.
Lance did not agree, but what did he know lol.
Lance was called Wonderboy back then for good reason.
Do some homework

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Scott called him fat you know.
Scott SoCal is not a fanboy, but he knows.
Lance was tubby early on.
Chips and dip. Double dipper lol.

Lance headlocked a rider after being poked in the tummy and called "Pillsbury Doughboy". Great story. Do some homework.

And many people pegged Lance as the next Greg Lemond.
"Lance will win the Tour someday".
Talking heads said it. But experts did also.
Lance did not agree, but what did he know lol.
Lance was called Wonderboy back then for good reason.
Do some homework

I've done my homework. Your reality is fanboy fantasy. I suggest you look back over CN forum posts and rec.bicycles.racing from the early 1990s.

 

[Polish]

I've done my homework. Your reality is fanboy fantasy. I suggest you look back over CN forum posts and rec.bicycles.racing from the early 1990s.

Well you better hit the books some more because you still fail.

"CN forum posts" and "rec.bicycles.racing" omg.

Many posters on CN were still in diapers in the early 90's.
Pooping in their pants. Poop poop. Diaper rash. Desitin.
And the only guys I remember with internet access in the early 90's were IT nerds more concerned with stick figure graphic StarTrek game programming than with pro bike racing.

Don't need them to tell me what I saw with my own eyes back then lol.
I will let you in on a secret. I was one of those back then who knew Lance would win the Tour someday.

 

[Benotti69]

...

I will let you in on a secret. I was one of those back then who knew Lance would win the Tour someday.

shock horror Polly has reveled himself to be a dealer

 

[Velodude]

Well you better hit the books some more because you still fail.

"CN forum posts" and "rec.bicycles.racing" omg.

Many posters on CN were still in diapers in the early 90's.
Pooping in their pants. Poop poop. Diaper rash. Desitin.
And the only guys I remember with internet access in the early 90's were IT nerds more concerned with stick figure graphic StarTrek game programming than with pro bike racing.

Don't need them to tell me what I saw with my own eyes back then lol.
I will let you in on a secret. I was one of those back then who knew Lance would win the Tour someday.

Usenet groups started in 1980.

I can recall "rec.bicycles.racing" in 1993-1996 during the LA attempted invasion of the TdF.

It was a USA dominated newsgroup and the frustrated consensus was that US riders could not win (in the '90s) cos the Europeans were doped to the gills.

If you were a poster on that newsgroup you must have kept your opinion on LA to yourself that he was a prospective TdF winner.

The forum would have laughed at you considering he only finished one tour (in 36th place) and after his only stage win he withdrew the next day after his team had to drag the exhausted LA out of bed to get to the start.

 

[MacRoadie]

Lance headlocked a rider after being poked in the tummy and called "Pillsbury Doughboy". Great story. Do some homework.

Ah yes, early indications of a violent temper and psychopathic tendencies.

I suppose "zipped lips" and loitering in front of the men's room at Aspen eateries is something of an improvement though..sigh.

 

[red_flanders]

Amazing that anyone responds to this drivel.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Amazing that anyone responds to this drivel.

what part is drivel?

The lines are blurrrrrred out here!

 

[thehog]

Ah yes, early indications of a violent temper and psychopathic tendencies.

I suppose "zipped lips" and loitering in front of the men's room at Aspen eateries is something of an improvement though..sigh.

Love it!!!