Bigger 2010 disappointment?

[The Hitch]

TSF tells ACF he will put him on ignore list till next year.

TSF writes one final post to ACF.

Ends it like this.

merry christmas

Beautiful

 

[flicker]

my biggest disappointment was the extent of doping at the lower levels of the sport.I bet some of these *** are even juiceing up for club runs and sportif's

hey leave us alone

 

[flicker]

Alberto Contador. Even though i expected a plus from him after LeMonds' attack at the TdF last year on him last year I was quite disappointed with him and Fran.

I really thought Alberto had more class.

 

[BroDeal]

Has to be Radio Shack.

I haven't seen devastation of that magnitude since the great chipmunk fire of '79.

 

[Ferminal]

I don't see how Sky went bad... It was their first season, they have no genuine leader in stage races and EBH isn't at the sprinting level of Cavendish/Greipel where he will guarantee you 10+ wins a season. Anyone who expected them to perform much better was dreaming.

RadioShack have one of the best stage race teams on paper. I guess they did end up winning two, but their results were very lean aside from that. Obviously their GT results are what is missing, and the fact that they missed two invites. Armstrong and Kloden were huge disappointments and I guess Levi missing out on his favourite race hurt a little. I guess they had an OK season, but take away Basque Country and Dauphine and it's horrible, worse than BMC's.

 

[auscyclefan94]

your credible argument was that you read that HTC budget was 10m and Sky's 11m which is contrary to my findings.

Your credible argument was that Sky have more GT experience than BMC which i dont disagree with, and more experience generally, which i also dont disagree with i just dont see its relevance.

You then attempt to prove that cervelos quality of wins was better than sky's. again i dont disagree but is largely irrelevant. I was just attempting to show that win wise they had a similar number of wins and podiums so while cervelo did better, to have cervelo's debut season as amazing, and skys debut season as appaling is ridiculous. Yes on the scale of success they are not the same, but they are far from being at opposite ends of the spectrum.

I think if i just said that Radioshack were worse than sky we would not be having this discussion. Its because I had the gaul to bring your beloved BMC into it. Who i still beleive in my opinion had a far worse season than Sky considering all the hype you built up around how BMC would dominate the classics and cadel would win the tour.

merry christmas

1. Relevance of Grand Tour experience shows how experienced a squad is. How could an unexperienced squad like BMC compete in the big time with guys are not the most talented bike riders and be expected to compete in big races that they have never competed in before?

2. Because my findings are contrary to yours does that mean that they are wrong?

3. I think we still would of had this discussion. Because I had a gaul at your beloved sky of which you have made an in-depth fan site putting all the teams races on you are very over protective like mother with it's child.

4. The fact you are putting me on ignore indicates you think little of what I post so why would you take into account all the hype I made over BMC anyway?

5. I brought up cervelo because you were tring to compare their wins with Sky's which their's are in a totally different ballpark.

You may or may not read this but you have very much lost this arguement with me. because I had a go at sky you have a go at me. It just seems interesting that you have only really had a go at me about the issue. Multiple posters have brought up similar points as I but you think bringing up BMC will help you "defeat me" in this arguement by getting other forum posters to make snide remarks about Cadel or BMC or what ever.

Ferminal, BMC are much further behind Sky or radioshack's development as a squad and don't have near the quality of "cattle on the park".

I don't see what the problem is with BMC.
They performed exactly as most pundits here expected.
4 wins tells the story of their season.
A lightweight squad of youngsters and on the slide, classics men. In reality Sky also performed to the pundits forecast and only failed to live up to the wildly inflated expectations of a few.
The Shack were probably the biggest failure, simply because the failed to achieve any of their major goals.
In all other aspects, they had a reasonable season.

Ahh, At least someone has a brain.

 

[The Hitch]

I see a lot of posters say Radioshack were worse because Lance thought he could win the TOur (did he go round saying it so much?)

Because its Lance it would have been publicised much more. Most of you didnt see Wigo's claims. Only those of you living in the UK with ITV 4 will have seen Wiggins speak at lenght about how in the prologue there were 2 races,
1 - everyone else for the stage win
2 - himself and the other top GC contenders for the GC.
Talk about his training, chasing motorcycles playing the role of Contador up mountains, talking about how the team was all set up all towards getting him that high gc spot.

I have nothing against Wigo but he said similar things to Lance and failed in similar style. I think we are seeing evidence of just how important Lance is to both haters and lovers that his failure is somehow deemed enough to constitute the failure of a whole team. A team which wone Pais Vasco, a Dauphine Libre and has several good young stars.

Radioshacks failure at the Tour might have been worse because Wiggins only wanted to contend while Lance wanted to win, but they also got a stage win at the Tour and a top 10. Once you leave the Tour, Radioshacks performances are much much better. Its not all about the Tour and its not all about Lance.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I see a lot of posters say Radioshack were worse because Lance thought he could win the TOur (did he go round saying it so much?)

Because its Lance it would have been publicised much more. Most of you didnt see Wigo's claims. Only those of you living in the UK with ITV 4 will have seen Wiggins speak at lenght about how in the prologue there were 2 races,
1 - everyone else for the stage win
2 - himself and the other top GC contenders for the GC.
Talk about his training, chasing motorcycles playing the role of Contador up mountains, talking about how the team was all set up all towards getting him that high gc spot.

I have nothing against Wigo but he said similar things to Lance and failed in similar style. I think we are seeing evidence of just how important Lance is to both haters and lovers that his failure is somehow deemed enough to constitute the failure of a whole team. A team which wone Pais Vasco, a Dauphine Libre and has several good young stars.

Radioshacks failure at the Tour might have been worse because Wiggins only wanted to contend while Lance wanted to win, but they also got a stage win at the Tour and a top 10. Once you leave the Tour, Radioshacks performances are much much better. Its not all about the Tour and its not all about Lance.

Some posters hate for lance blinds what radioshack won this year. Yes you TSF!

 

[Ferminal]

Ferminal, BMC are much further behind Sky or radioshack's development as a squad and don't have near the quality of "cattle on the park".

I never suggested otherwise.

 

[Anonymous]

3. I think we still would of had this discussion. Because I had a gaul at your beloved sky of which you have made an in-depth fan site putting all the teams races on you are very over protective like mother with it's child.

Actually, now the seasons over, i will address this little myth. When the website started, all that was known was that It was going to be a british sponsored team, and a couple of the named riders were known, in fact when the site started barely anything was known about the team. The site was started not because I had an overwhelming love for a team that wasnt even in existence yet. It was actually started at my wifes suggestion. As you know I have what are now long term (18 months) mental health issues, anxiety and panic attacks caused by stress. Ive now been official on incapacity (or whatever its called) since january. With no immediate plans to return to full time work, (been doing voluntary work). When the creation of the team got announced the wife suggested, that as I have a long standing love for cycling, have some web design skills, that doing some sort of fansite would be a great focus for me to get my brain ticking over a bit again, and generally give me a focus for a few hours a day or week. It has done that, although a quick glance at the site on the results pages will show there are two big blocks of results missing, end of the giro, and a patch in august, when i wasnt well enough to concentrate. The fansite was started to give me a bit of focus and my brain something to keep it occupied rather than sitting at home panicking about ridiculous things.

I have over the year gained an enthusiasm for sky, but at the start of the year it was no bigger than any other team, but starting a fansite for a new team seemed more interesting than starting one for an alreayd established team. Obviously because I know more about whats going on at sky than other teams means i do get involved in more sky discussions. That and coupled with the fact that nobody here seems to shut up about them. My user name became tsf when i came back to the forum because frankly, its cheap advertising.

Anyway, im outta here, have an appoinment at 1.30 with my therapist (yes really). Do you mind if we discuss you (genuinly), learning how to react calmly to situations without getting work up is part of my recovery. Hopefully youve noticed over the last 6 months how much I have improved in that area.

 

[L'arriviste]

For me...

RadioShack was terrible because it built itself almost entirely on Armstrong expectations. Think where we were in January and where we are now. Creditable performances from Horner, Zubeldia, Paulinho etc overshadowed completely.

Sky was disappointing because expectations were fuelled to near-daftness. Remember that we never normally get that close to seeing 'whole team operations', so it was always going to be hyped. So more of a PR failure, perhaps, than a road one.

BMC was disappointing too, apart from Burghardt, Morabito and of course Evans. Bad luck mostly, I acknowledge that. But if Kroon and Ballan were unlucky with their timing, Hincapie was just vacant (or clean). Evans did a great job of showing off his WC stripes and he seems more mature, even if the quality of his team support seems perenially questionable.

Lampre were a bit naff this year too, I felt. They were weaker than years gone by perhaps. Not much to show for the year, especially in the Giro, and Cunego was never at his best.

 

[veganrob]

RadioShack. They had a far stronger team and failed miserably.

 

[kurtinsc]

Radioshack by a mile. Count the wins.

Shack 15 wins of which Phinney picked up 3.
Sky 22

I don't know.

15 vs 22 is one side of the argument... but quality may surpass quantity here.


RS won the Dauphine Libere GC (and a stage), the GC of Pais Vasco (and a stage) and a stage at the Tour.

Sky won a stage of the D-L, a stage of the T-A, a stage of P-N, a stage of the TDU, a stage at the Giro and Omloop het Volk (or whatever it's called).

Those are the races I'd look at as "bigger" results. Two pro-tour GC's and a tour stage probably put the shack above Sky's sprint wins, giro stage and the OHV in my book.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Actually, now the seasons over, i will address this little myth. When the website started, all that was known was that It was going to be a british sponsored team, and a couple of the named riders were known, in fact when the site started barely anything was known about the team. The site was started not because I had an overwhelming love for a team that wasnt even in existence yet. It was actually started at my wifes suggestion. As you know I have what are now long term (18 months) mental health issues, anxiety and panic attacks caused by stress. Ive now been official on incapacity (or whatever its called) since january. With no immediate plans to return to full time work, (been doing voluntary work). When the creation of the team got announced the wife suggested, that as I have a long standing love for cycling, have some web design skills, that doing some sort of fansite would be a great focus for me to get my brain ticking over a bit again, and generally give me a focus for a few hours a day or week. It has done that, although a quick glance at the site on the results pages will show there are two big blocks of results missing, end of the giro, and a patch in august, when i wasnt well enough to concentrate. The fansite was started to give me a bit of focus and my brain something to keep it occupied rather than sitting at home panicking about ridiculous things.

I have over the year gained an enthusiasm for sky, but at the start of the year it was no bigger than any other team, but starting a fansite for a new team seemed more interesting than starting one for an alreayd established team. Obviously because I know more about whats going on at sky than other teams means i do get involved in more sky discussions. That and coupled with the fact that nobody here seems to shut up about them. My user name became tsf when i came back to the forum because frankly, its cheap advertising.

Anyway, im outta here, have an appoinment at 1.30 with my therapist (yes really). Do you mind if we discuss you (genuinly), learning how to react calmly to situations without getting work up is part of my recovery. Hopefully youve noticed over the last 6 months how much I have improved in that area.

The imsomnia issues have still notimproved I see! That obviously makes your brain lazy and unwilling to take in clear facts.

 

[Anonymous]

The imsomnia issues have still notimproved I see! That obviously makes your brain lazy and unwilling to take in clear facts.

whatever..

 

[hfer07]

Can we say BOTH?
Radioshack for sponsoring LA's ego & his ridiculous 8 TDF dream
Sky for spending too much & winning too little- for pretending & aiming to high before achieving anything & for supporting a "one-time-wonder" Wiggins