Caruut said:The fact that they don't tells me they don't want to and are looking the other way because it's Britain.
.....or Germany?
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Caruut said:The fact that they don't tells me they don't want to and are looking the other way because it's Britain.
JibberJim said:A quote for 7 helmets from UKSI was 3000 GBP each. So if the helmet costs that - what do you think the frame costs?
Caruut said:Do the Germans do the same?
BroDeal said:Team GB is clearly cheating with its use of non-commercial frames and components. UCI rules state that equipment must be available to everyone. Ostensibly there is an email address on one of their websites where stuff can be ordered, but it is clear that they have no intention of actually selling the gear. The Brits have been doing this for years.
What is the difference between someone figuring out how to break the doping rules and someone figuring out how to break the equipment rules? It certainly shows the mindset of Brailsford. If he can get away with breaking the rules then he will do so.
9000ft said:In a world of purity and white light you should be able to waltz down to your LBS and buy one of these bikes and the reality of this bad old corrupt world you can't.
As soon as a governing body makes a rule, competitors will look for ways to bend them to the point of breaking. ("yes it's technically legal, but it's not in the spirit of the rules" CURSE them, they're not in the spirit of the rules! ) It's been that way for a long, long time and unless humanity all of a sudden gets a pixie dust coating of high minded morality it's going to be that way for a long time to come . It's a cat and mouse game, people find a way to subvert the rules and in reaction the rule makers change the rules and the process starts all over again.
I'm sorry that your world of purity, 100% fair play, Mom and apple pie doesn't and has never existed Bro, but if you let this s**t bother you you're going go through life being your avatar.
9000ft said:In a world of purity and white light you should be able to waltz down to your LBS and buy one of these bikes and the reality of this bad old corrupt world you can't.
As soon as a governing body makes a rule, competitors will look for ways to bend them to the point of breaking. ("yes it's technically legal, but it's not in the spirit of the rules" CURSE them, they're not in the spirit of the rules! ) It's been that way for a long, long time and unless humanity all of a sudden gets a pixie dust coating of high minded morality it's going to be that way for a long time to come . It's a cat and mouse game, people find a way to subvert the rules and in reaction the rule makers change the rules and the process starts all over again.
I'm sorry that your world of purity, 100% fair play, Mom and apple pie doesn't and has never existed Bro, but if you let this s**t bother you you're going go through life being your avatar.
will10 said:and no delivery date
Caruut said:Do the Germans do the same?
Benotti69 said:You seem very content to accept that instead of railing against it.
Rather be a voice railing against the corruption than the silent slave to it.
Too many with your attitude have meant it can happen.
9000ft said:Nope, I'm all for enforceable rules, but almost all rules, especially when it comes to some sort of engineered manufactured items will have some fairly either intentional or unintentional grey areas and people engaged in competition will interpret those rules to the edge. They always have.
People who say "yeah, I suppose that's technically legal but not in the spirit of the rules are living in a fantasy world if they expect everyone to interpret the rules according to what one person or another thinks is the spirit of the rules. For one thing, different people will have different opinions of what that spirit is. If you expect a group that is involved with big money, high pressure professional sport with so much on the line to not take it as far as they can you're going to be disappointed a lot.
9000ft said:In a world of purity and white light you should be able to waltz down to your LBS and buy one of these bikes and the reality of this bad old corrupt world you can't.
As soon as a governing body makes a rule, competitors will look for ways to bend them to the point of breaking. ("yes it's technically legal, but it's not in the spirit of the rules" CURSE them, they're not in the spirit of the rules! ) It's been that way for a long, long time and unless humanity all of a sudden gets a pixie dust coating of high minded morality it's going to be that way for a long time to come . It's a cat and mouse game, people find a way to subvert the rules and in reaction the rule makers change the rules and the process starts all over again.
I'm sorry that your world of purity, 100% fair play, Mom and apple pie doesn't and has never existed Bro, but if you let this s**t bother you you're going go through life being your avatar.
FES been around long before Barcelona. Part of the marginal gains thing of the DDR.simo1733 said:GB.copied the Germans.FES develops equipment for Germany, UKSI does it for GB. FES have been around since Barcelona.
The rules state that the products used must be commercially available. They are, that the price of the parts is not on the webpage is irrelevant.BroDeal said:It shows attitude. Some Brits are saying they morally superior to everyone else so they should not, would not, could not dope; the team comes out of the track program, which is adamantly anti-doping; Sky and Wiggins must be clean; etc. But here is clear evidence that Brailsford has no problem at all with cheating. He will use whatever methods he can get away with. This is not a one time thing. It has been going on for more than a decade. It is embedded in the culture that Brailsford has fostered. The type of guy who would put up a phony web page to pretend that their equipment is for sale is the same type of guy who would be looking at undetectable drugs.
ultimobici said:The rules state that the products used must be commercially available. They are, that the price of the parts is not on the webpage is irrelevant.
WRT to the "morally superior" comment, you are misconstruing the comments made regarding the consequences of Wiggins etc doping. We do not have the win at all costs attitude that is prevalent in American culture plus a lot of our athletes are publicly funded via the National Lottery. That means there is a far stronger link between sport & the guy in the street in terms of expectation and standards than would exist if it was merely a government grant.
ultimobici said:The rules state that the products used must be commercially available. They are, that the price of the parts is not on the webpage is irrelevant.
WRT to the "morally superior" comment, you are misconstruing the comments made regarding the consequences of Wiggins etc doping. We do not have the win at all costs attitude that is prevalent in American culture plus a lot of our athletes are publicly funded via the National Lottery. That means there is a far stronger link between sport & the guy in the street in terms of expectation and standards than would exist if it was merely a government grant.
ultimobici said:The rules state that the products used must be commercially available. They are, that the price of the parts is not on the webpage is irrelevant.
WRT to the "morally superior" comment, you are misconstruing the comments made regarding the consequences of Wiggins etc doping. We do not have the win at all costs attitude that is prevalent in American culture plus a lot of our athletes are publicly funded via the National Lottery. That means there is a far stronger link between sport & the guy in the street in terms of expectation and standards than would exist if it was merely a government grant.
spalco said:Hard to really tell from that page. They pretend they'd be willing to sell, yeah, but have you ever heard of anyone actually buying one? They don't even give a price tag.
ultimobici said:The rules state that the products used must be commercially available. They are, that the price of the parts is not on the webpage is irrelevant.