Bin Laden dead

[redtreviso]

dude, you got it wrong. I have been around these vets and their cause is right.
I recommend you get away from your keyboard and see what the world is like.
I am not an advocate of war but watching the world I think the US is doing the right thing.

he's not a vet..could be a merc or a pipeline surveyor.. fhim and his "democrats were questioning our presence there"

 

[flicker]

he's not a vet..could be a merc or a pipeline surveyor.. fhim and his "democrats were questioning our presence there"

Anyway, I was against us going to Iraq and Afganistan but to see the man use his wife or whoever the woman he used as a human shield....I am aghast at a man who praised running airliners into building...Bin Laden was a pirate of the worst kind....I am not prejudiced against ****stanis, but how could they harbor that criminal?.....

 

[Cobblestoned]

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Shortsighted? No, a piece of crap terrorist thinking he would never be caught after doing what he did was....SHORTSIGHTED....



Apparantly you've never heard of the 4th of July, Bastille Day, Cinco de Mayo, etc... All countries celebrate extraordinary events in their history. 1 May 2011 is now one of those days. You have just witnessed history. Learn from it.



Anti terrorism a sport? If they were to sell a license, I'd wait in line for one. A long one...longer than the one when I picked up my Iphone....
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Oh yes, there are pics, but it'll be awhile before they come out. That'll be as good a day as it was last night when the news broke. I can't wait.

For the record:
I lost a cousin in the Pentagon.
I have spent my share of time in Afghanistan supporting the fight, while journalists, democrats, and the like, (cycling forum posters included) questioned our presence there.
If this guy shot your mom/dad/sister/brother/etc...just one, you would be happy...
It was a "well deserved "death.

Actually, the 1.May is already booked in history calendar for celebrating "Day of workers" or whatever you call that, and it is remembered as the day when Ayrton Senna died.
But since it was 2.May when Osama was shot, I think there is no real conflict and this day is still free for you to celebrate this extraordinary and historic event.

Anyway, this was good work. But it won't change anything.
You never know what/who comes next, and at the moment when you kill one of them, two have grown up for backup.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Anyway, I was against us going to Iraq and Afganistan but to see the man use his wife or whoever the woman he used as a human shield....I am aghast at a man who praised running airliners into building...Bin Laden was a pirate of the worst kind....I am not prejudiced against ****stanis, but how could they harbor that criminal?.....

It wasn't the regular army that got him anyway, it was covert ops. We could have got him sooner or later (probably sooner) without any regular army in Afghanistan and certainly without ever setting boots in Iraq, we'd be at least a trillion bucks less in debt as well.

 

[scribe]

It wasn't the regular army that got him anyway, it was covert ops. We could have got him sooner or later (probably sooner) without any regular army in Afghanistan and certainly without ever setting boots in Iraq, we'd be at least a trillion bucks less in debt as well.

Man. That money would do a lot of good things if we still had it.

 

[redtreviso]

Man. That money would do a lot of good things if we still had it.

100 times that money would do a lot too..That is about what wall street gambled and lost with while the country was too busy chanting USA USA in celebration of drunky mcsmirky's failures.

 

[Spare Tyre]

It wasn't the regular army that got him anyway, it was covert ops. We could have got him sooner or later (probably sooner) without any regular army in Afghanistan and certainly without ever setting boots in Iraq, we'd be at least a trillion bucks less in debt as well.

And Afghanistan and Iraq would have been spared countless deaths, horrific injuries and refugees.

 

[flicker]

It wasn't the regular army that got him anyway, it was covert ops. We could have got him sooner or later (probably sooner) without any regular army in Afghanistan and certainly without ever setting boots in Iraq, we'd be at least a trillion bucks less in debt as well.

Osama lured Bush into Afghanistan. I wish our government would call it Mission Completed and get the heck out. The people of Afghanistan are epic, let them have their country back.
I wonder if we let Osama get away a few times on purpose.

 

[Spider1964]

Actually, the 1.May is already booked in history calendar for celebrating "Day of workers" or whatever you call that, and it is remembered as the day when Ayrton Senna died.
But since it was 2.May when Osama was shot, I think there is no real conflict and this day is still free for you to celebrate this extraordinary and historic event.

Anyway, this was good work. But it won't change anything.
You never know what/who comes next, and at the moment when you kill one of them, two have grown up for backup.

Hitler... Osama... Voldemort... all killed on May 1. Not a good day for bad guys.

 

[redtreviso]

Osama lured Bush into Afghanistan. I wish our government would call it Mission Completed and get the heck out. The people of Afghanistan are epic, let them have their country back.
I wonder if we let Osama get away a few times on purpose.

I wonder if the Bushes still stay at the bin laden family compound when they are in Saudi Arabia.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

100 times that money would do a lot too..That is about what wall street gambled and lost with while the country was too busy chanting USA USA in celebration of drunky mcsmirky's failures.

It was no gamble for them they all got rich. The CDO machine started rolling when deregulation was introduced by the Reagan administration and continues today.

The only one who ever tried to stop it was Clinton appointee Brooksly Braun, others in the Clinton administration shut her up (Larry Summers ....ect). Nothing to do with USA USA at all.

 

[redtreviso]

It was no gamble for them they all got rich. The CDO machine started rolling when deregulation was introduced by the Reagan administration and continues today.

The only one who ever tried to stop it was Clinton appointee Brooksly Braun, others in the Clinton administration shut her up (Larry Summers ....ect). Nothing to do with USA USA at all.

It couldn't have happened if the country hadn't been distracted. Brooksly Braun ran head on into Phil and Wendy Gramm..

 

[Oldman]

Osama lured Bush into Afghanistan. I wish our government would call it Mission Completed and get the heck out. The people of Afghanistan are epic, let them have their country back.
I wonder if we let Osama get away a few times on purpose.

Don't discount the group that counselled Bush about Afghanistan's strategic worth, primarily to Russia. Wedged between ****stan and some hostile countries and rich with extremely valuable minerals that can easily be extracted and shipped to...China. There's more currency being made here than Joe six-pack realizes. China and India are resource gluttons and we're sitting on the largest stash of easily mined resources in their region. For everyone predicting the demise of the US economy to China; think again.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Osama lured Bush into Afghanistan. I wish our government would call it Mission Completed and get the heck out. The people of Afghanistan are epic, let them have their country back.

This is true.

Sadly, after we started to heavily bomb Afghanistan, the Taliban said they were willing to negotiate turning over Bin Laden. We weren't interested.

Many members of the Taliban when approached by foreign journalists didn't even know about the 9/11 attacks, didn't have any feelings for or against the United States one way or the other, and were puzzled why the US had soldiers there attacking them. But Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their "shock and awe" were already committed to war, and not interested in diplomacy of any sort.

 

[flicker]

Don't discount the group that counselled Bush about Afghanistan's strategic worth, primarily to Russia. Wedged between ****stan and some hostile countries and rich with extremely valuable minerals that can easily be extracted and shipped to...China. There's more currency being made here than Joe six-pack realizes. China and India are resource gluttons and we're sitting on the largest stash of easily mined resources in their region. For everyone predicting the demise of the US economy to China; think again.

I always thought the war was about the gas/oil pipeline corridor through Afghanistan to the sea. Of course the pipeline is not built yet...but the Taliban knows our motives...without their cut...no dice, easier for them to control opium then to make a deal with us...big market in Europe and worldwide for opium.
No doubt many mineral resources in Afghanistan, but protracted war with the Taliban is impossible, all countries who try to get a long term relationship there are ground down.

 

[rhubroma]

Great post. Nice to see more people whom know absolute evil when they see it.

Actually what's really nice, and convenient, is to be able to see the world in black and white as you do, and not the myriad shades of gray of which it is actually composed.

Hitler also fit this category, I'm sure, though that didn't prevent Prescott Bush from selling him arms in the build-up of WWII.

Like I said before, it's puerile and quite ridiculous to make a personal issue of something that was really the work of a colossal PR campaign to have a scapegoat to set the Middle East ablaze. Otherwise how can you explain that Bin Laden attacks NY and we respond by going to war in Afghanistan and then Iraq, the latter based on the most spurious reasoning and dubious legality?

No doubt OBL was a giant criminal, though his death has merely a political value to all but those who had a loved-one or friend killed in 9-11. And I find it appalling and distasteful to allow the tragedy of others to lead an entire nation into this black and white perception of what is a much more complex and nuanced reality.

Everything else is just ideology and propaganda.

 

[redtreviso]

This is true.

Sadly, after we started to heavily bomb Afghanistan, the Taliban said they were willing to negotiate turning over Bin Laden. We weren't interested.

Many members of the Taliban when approached by foreign journalists didn't even know about the 9/11 attacks, didn't have any feelings for or against the United States one way or the other, and were puzzled why the US had soldiers there attacking them. But Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their "shock and awe" were already committed to war, and not interested in diplomacy of any sort.

And don't forget the Taliban being invited to Houston in spite of direct conflict of stated US foreign policy to be wined and hored* by ENRON and UNOCAL.
and 100 million in 2001

 

[flyor64]

he's not a vet..could be a merc or a pipeline surveyor.. fhim and his "democrats were questioning our presence there"

Maybe you should just do a teensy weensy bit of checking before diving in with a commment like this...

Jeffrey is an an officer in the US Army; I'd guess he's a Captain. He's said as much during his introductions.

To which you could have easily looked up when you chose to make a comment such as this.

I agree with Flicker on this one, maybe you should step away from the keyboard for a bit.

 

[rhubroma]

The marxist vulgate gave too little weight to "personalities" and much to society and mass conflicts. The way today's commercial mass media tells the stories is exactly the opposite: it's a star-system founded upon tales of good deeds and evil-doings of a mutable cast of "VIPs", just attenuated enough from a deeper analysis to not have us suspect the mere chanson de geste, so as to appear unduly heavy and profound.

Typically heavy --the fault of my cultural formation-- was the first thought that came to my mind while drinking my morning cafè yesterday: namely, the doubt that it was really Osama. Then a moment of reflection regarding the many people who were killed on his account and, immediately afterward, the idea that "when one pope dies, another gets made straight away" (Roman proverb).

It's not like in films and cartoons, when the death of the Evil One concludes with a "happy ending". The humanity that partied in Times Square for the happy end was cute as much for the shared exuberance, as for the total lack of awareness of being just one of the parts in cause.

For other poorer and more turbulent urban squares of the world, Osama was a hero, or at the most a "mistaken brother"; and toward the West they reserve the same role as Assassin that we, till now, had destined to Bin Laden. And the masses of the one side and the other, to which television and the media addresses with only suggestive scenes of vague contours, outlive the VIPs: while it is they who fabricate, today as with yesterday and tomorrow, our destiny.

It would be nice if the media and they were aware of this fact when looking for a story to sell, or a cause to latch on to.

 

[Astana1]

Actually what's really nice, and convenient, is to be able to see the world in black and white as you do, and not the myriad shades of gray of which it is actually composed.

Hitler also fit this category, I'm sure, though that didn't prevent Prescott Bush from selling him arms in the build-up of WWII.

Like I said before, it's puerile and quite ridiculous to make a personal issue of something that was really the work of a colossal PR campaign to have a scapegoat to set the Middle East ablaze. Otherwise how can you explain that Bin Laden attacks NY and we respond by going to war in Afghanistan and then Iraq, the latter based on the most spurious reasoning and dubious legality?

No doubt OBL was a giant criminal, though his death has merely a political value to all but those who had a loved-one or friend killed in 9-11. And I find it appalling and distasteful to allow the tragedy of others to lead an entire nation into this black and white perception of what is a much more complex and nuanced reality.

Everything else is just ideology and propaganda.

I believe in a such thing as absolutes. You don't. You probably engage in moral equivalence which is your prerogative. I don't have any desire to attempt to convince you otherwise.

Nuances are great for people who are too cowardly to take a firm stand and say enough is enough.

Taking a firm position is great it's really quite liberating.

You should tell some 9-11 victim or some blind and maimed Tanzanian about all your sophisticated nuances. They won't resonate one iota.

They're great in university faculty meetings or amongst a bunch loser expats who don't have what it takes to make it in their own country.

 

[Nick777]

Hey.. Obama just said 'I think we can all agree'..
Is he 'Ban Pro Cycling"??

 

[Astana1]

Maybe you should just do a teensy weensy bit of checking before diving in with a commment like this...

Jeffrey is an an officer in the US Army; I'd guess he's a Captain. He's said as much during his introductions.

To which you could have easily looked up when you chose to make a comment such as this.

I agree with Flicker on this one, maybe you should step away from the keyboard for a bit.

The great thing about the internet is that people can spew whatever they like with no repercussions.

No way he steps away from his keyboard. This is his life.

 

[Spare Tyre]

The great thing about the internet is that people can spew whatever they like with no repercussions.

No way he steps away from his keyboard. This is his life.

Might want to look in the mirror.

 

[Astana1]

Might want to look in the mirror.

Thanks Mr. 864 posts.

 

[andy1234]

I believe in a such thing as absolutes. You don't. You probably engage in moral equivalence which is your prerogative. I don't have any desire to attempt to convince you otherwise.

Nuances are great for people who are too cowardly to take a firm stand and say enough is enough.

Taking a firm position is great it's really quite liberating.

You should tell some 9-11 victim or some blind and maimed Tanzanian about all your sophisticated nuances. They won't resonate one iota.

They're great in university faculty meetings or amongst a bunch loser expats who don't have what it takes to make it in their own country.

Just about everyone in the US is just a few generations from being an expat.
Did they not have what it takes to make it in their own country?