Bin Laden dead

[Semper Fidelis]

He got a better fate than he deserved. I keep thinking about those people jumping out of the WTC instead of burning to death. If we buried him in pig manure that would have been fine. If that makes me uncultured then you can kiss my uncultured ****.

I never do this but I am going to go against my own message board rules and say ........

+1

 

[hrotha]

chances are most of the wtc victims weren't murderers. obl and mcveigh were

And yet when Reagan died it was deemed inappropriate to celebrate for some reason.

 

[rhubroma]

Seeing things in black and white is a habit that fits in with the same mentality that begot OBL. For this reason, I refuse to see things in black and white...from whichever side the tale is told.

 

[Black-Balled]

Yeah, and thousands cheered when the World Trade Center came down too. The knife cuts both ways.

Please clarify how you came to believe murderers and victims deserve equal treatment.

Just because you put the words together does not make them logical.

 

[Black-Balled]

chances are most of the wtc victims weren't murderers. obl and mcveigh were

Oops- been said already.

 

[koolkinks]

Of course some ****stani military and government knew exactly where Bin Laden was. It is all about the money. We pay the ****stani government to be our allies. Someone else might pay them to not be our allies.

The BBC version of Traffik(a drug saga) shows exactly what ****stan is about.
It is a false border, to keep the Hindis and Islamic apart.

I have been to India and P a k istan both. P a k istanis do not like us much they hate us. In spite of the fact that our money runs the country. Indians are better they actually are very friendly albeit to make some money of the helpless foreigner. But they are better people although this is based on my personal opinion.

Now, my question is do we need to have allies like P a k istan who take our money to be our ally and deceive us by harboring Bin Laden?

My answer would be Helllll Nooooo!!

 

[redtreviso]

There's bound to be some nervous people in Dubai and Riyadh over information found in that house.

 

[Astana1]

All that stuff about the US aiding Bin Laden had been debunked more or less by credible sources. See " The looming tower" by Lawrence Wright. Osama wouldn't want or need aid from an infidel nation. It was against his code.

You won't look it up though. It easy and convenient for you to stick to your mythology.

Maybe the US should also think about all the money, military aid, and military training - ironically, most of it courtesy of the CIA - it provided to OBL and the groups that eventually coalesced into the Taliban when they were "freedom fighters" and "rebels" fighting against the Russians in Afghanistan. No one is going to shed a tear at OBL's demise or (hopefully) the eventual disintegration of the Taliban, but we shouldn't forget either that OBL and the Taliban are (or were, in the case of OBL) monsters at least in part of our own making, and that ****stan has, in many ways, paid a dearer price for that than we have.

I don't have much sympathy for the ****stani's if, in fact, they were actively protecting OBL, but let's look at it from their perspective too - they have to live with the Taliban. We don't. It would be my guess that they probably knew OBL was there but were just hoping that no one else would ever find out - partially because it would be politically embarrassing internationally, but mostly for internal security reasons - and were willing to tolerate his presence so long as he was contained.

Or, if one wants to go full conspiracy theory, maybe ****stan made a deal with the devil - we'll leave you alone if you just stay put and live a quiet life and don't stir up any more trouble for us.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Some Americans show once again that they're quite a vengeful and hateful bunch. Which is understandable to a certain degree. I don't understand why it should become some kind of national celebration though..
Don't know whether or not it's very good that he's dead. The Al Qaeda movement is better of with a dead martyr than with an intelligent leader in terms of recruiting and stirring up the people against the Western world imo

You too might be a bit vengeful if it had been your family or friends who had been the victims of an event like 911. However, what the media is showing as a nation wide celebration it certainly is not. And you are right, it shouldn't be. I know many people who are glad OBL is gone, because that's justice, but many of those people are not gloating over it either.

Is it good OBL is gone? IMHO, I think it is so because as I said, that is justice. I understand your point though.

 

[andy1234]

ok. i already posted once and let me assure you, it will be my last post on the issue.

(for a reference, i'm not american nor do i hold any particularly strong views on the country i temporarily live in)

i'm trying to understand - how the americans *should* (or should have) react(ed) to lighten the criticism of their reaction ? what would it take to have the critics relent ?

With dignity, no more, no less.

 

[Astana1]

With dignity, no more, no less.

If we apologized immediately you people would say it was too late. Nothing we will ever do will be good enough for you. Just keep criticizing from the sidelines where it is nice and safe.

 

[Angliru]

I figure we may as well keep this as a thread of its own, given the significance (in the media at least) of the event.

When watching the news unfold, I had to turn it off when they started showing the pictures of the crowd outside the White House, flags, chanting, celebrating etc. Is that not a breeding ground for hatred and intolerance.

Is it really a time for celebration? Rather than a time where our thoughts should be with those who have been deeply affected by decades of terrorism (of which OBL was involved in to varying degrees). Should it be seen as some sort of closure, rather than a "victory". Of course, I am not one of those persons so cannot understand what they have been through or are going through now.

Then I heard on the radio someone call in and say they were finishing work early to go and celebrate the victory as this is a war and a great objective has finally been achieved... had to turn that off too.

These were primarily college students, not fully formed adults. If you notice the "crowd" in Times Square was a miniscule gathering. Also to call it a celebration is a bit of a generalized description, when you had others that decided to go down there to pay homage to those that they lost on 9-11, to gain a form of closure, not necessarily to celebrate.

There is always going to be those that act in a distateful way, and the media will certainly jump on it and embellish for all it's worth if it helps their ratings.

 

[The Hitch]

What is so wrong with cheering bin ladens death?

Was cheering Hitlers death bad?

Was cheering Stalins death bad?

Death is part of life. Its far preferable to torture or various forms of illness and depression. we all must die, and in some cases it is better for everyone and everything that the proccess gets sped up. This is one of those cases.

Bin ladens list of attrocities moves far beyond what he did to America.
some people think that this is islam vs west but muslims were by far the greatest victims of bin laden.

Bin laden didnt just order the planes into buildings. He ordered attacks on shia schools, shia marketplaces, shia religious centres. He declared war on hinduism before he even thought to look on America. In August 2007 he murdered 1000 in attacks on kurdish communities. That isnt war. That is racism. It is genocide. Its an attempt at a holocoust. Wiping out entire populations.

He manipulated disabled people to blow themselves up in suicide attacks.

This is a person who when he saw the teddy bear at ground 0 the day of the massacre shed a tear not of despair but of joy, that a child probably yet unable to speak had been incinerated. To me the thought of that still brings tears to my eyes and here is a man who lived for moments like that.

And yes he strongly believed and enjoyed the belief, that all his victims would suffer for eternity in hell. Including the little babies who never had a chance to hold any belief whatsoever in the first place.


I think we all here support the right of little girls to go to school without acid thrown in their face, the right for shia people and kurds and jews and europeans and americans to exist without being maimed and killed for the crime of being born in to the wrong race, the right of Bin ladens fellow sunnis to live without having their families wiped out for alleged blasphemy (as happened in alqaeda controlled areas in baghdad in 2006).

The right of little children not to spend their last minutes on earth crying in agony having lost all their limbs in a truck bomb.

We have been gotten rid of a man who didnt just hope for but actively pursued and carried out for decades all such actions. I think his death is a deliverance.

And why did he do all this. To make him feel better is the answer. Pure selfishness. He thought he was the chosen one. For him the feeling that a cyclist gets crossing the finishing line was achieved by hearing of another innocent death. They celebrated Hurricane Katrina releasing a statement that it was a miracle from god. Bin laden is reported to have said after learning how many had died on 911 that it had been better than their most optimistic predictions.

I can not make myself to feel happy, because too much has been lost, but I am glad that there are those that can put the past behind for a second and celebrate this moment.

There is no reason why the death of such a person should not be a joyous occasion for those capable of feeling joy, as much as was the death of Hitler of Stalin of Abu Mussab Al Zarqawi and the hopefully soon to come death of zawahri.

 

[Astana1]

Great post. Nice to see more people whom know absolute evil when they see it.

What is so wrong with cheering bin ladens death?

Was cheering Hitlers death bad?

Was cheering Stalins death bad?

Death is part of life. Its far preferable to torture or various forms of illness and depression. we all must die, and in some cases it is better for everyone and everything that the proccess gets sped up. This is one of those cases.

Bin ladens list of attrocities moves far beyond what he did to America.
some people think that this is islam vs west but muslims were by far the greatest victims of bin laden.

Bin laden didnt just order the planes into buildings. He ordered attacks on shia schools, shia marketplaces, shia religious centres. He declared war on hinduism before he even thought to look on America. In August 2007 he murdered 1000 in attacks on kurdish communities. That isnt war. That is racism. It is genocide. Its an attempt at a holocoust. Wiping out entire populations.

He manipulated disabled people to blow themselves up in suicide attacks.

This is a person who when he saw the teddy bear at ground 0 the day of the massacre shed a tear not of despair but of joy, that a child probably yet unable to speak had been incinerated. To me the thought of that still brings tears to my eyes and here is a man who lived for moments like that.

And yes he strongly believed and enjoyed the belief, that all his victims would suffer for eternity in hell. Including the little babies who never had a chance to hold any belief whatsoever in the first place.


I think we all here support the right of little girls to go to school without acid thrown in their face, the right for shia people and kurds and jews and europeans and americans to exist without being maimed and killed for the crime of being born in to the wrong race, the right of Bin ladens fellow sunnis to live without having their families wiped out for alleged blasphemy (as happened in alqaeda controlled areas in baghdad in 2006).

The right of little children not to spend their last minutes on earth crying in agony having lost all their limbs in a truck bomb.

We have been gotten rid of a man who didnt just hope for but actively pursued and carried out for decades all such actions. I think his death is a deliverance.

And why did he do all this. To make him feel better is the answer. Pure selfishness. He thought he was the chosen one. For him the feeling that a cyclist gets crossing the finishing line was achieved by hearing of another innocent death. They celebrated Hurricane Katrina releasing a statement that it was a miracle from god. Bin laden is reported to have said after learning how many had died on 911 that it had been better than their most optimistic predictions.

I can not make myself to feel happy, because too much has been lost, but I am glad that there are those that can put the past behind for a second and celebrate this moment.

There is no reason why the death of such a person should not be a joyous occasion for those capable of feeling joy, as much as was the death of Hitler of Stalin of Abu Mussab Al Zarqawi and the hopefully soon to come death of zawahri.

 

[flicker]

What is so wrong with cheering bin ladens death?

Was cheering Hitlers death bad?

Was cheering Stalins death bad?

Death is part of life. Its far preferable to torture or various forms of illness and depression. we all must die, and in some cases it is better for everyone and everything that the proccess gets sped up. This is one of those cases.

Bin ladens list of attrocities moves far beyond what he did to America.
some people think that this is islam vs west but muslims were by far the greatest victims of bin laden.

Bin laden didnt just order the planes into buildings. He ordered attacks on shia schools, shia marketplaces, shia religious centres. He declared war on hinduism before he even thought to look on America. In August 2007 he murdered 1000 in attacks on kurdish communities. That isnt war. That is racism. It is genocide. Its an attempt at a holocoust. Wiping out entire populations.

He manipulated disabled people to blow themselves up in suicide attacks.

This is a person who when he saw the teddy bear at ground 0 the day of the massacre shed a tear not of despair but of joy, that a child probably yet unable to speak had been incinerated. To me the thought of that still brings tears to my eyes and here is a man who lived for moments like that.

And yes he strongly believed and enjoyed the belief, that all his victims would suffer for eternity in hell. Including the little babies who never had a chance to hold any belief whatsoever in the first place.


I think we all here support the right of little girls to go to school without acid thrown in their face, the right for shia people and kurds and jews and europeans and americans to exist without being maimed and killed for the crime of being born in to the wrong race, the right of Bin ladens fellow sunnis to live without having their families wiped out for alleged blasphemy (as happened in alqaeda controlled areas in baghdad in 2006).

The right of little children not to spend their last minutes on earth crying in agony having lost all their limbs in a truck bomb.

We have been gotten rid of a man who didnt just hope for but actively pursued and carried out for decades all such actions. I think his death is a deliverance.

And why did he do all this. To make him feel better is the answer. Pure selfishness. He thought he was the chosen one. For him the feeling that a cyclist gets crossing the finishing line was achieved by hearing of another innocent death. They celebrated Hurricane Katrina releasing a statement that it was a miracle from god. Bin laden is reported to have said after learning how many had died on 911 that it had been better than their most optimistic predictions.

I can not make myself to feel happy, because too much has been lost, but I am glad that there are those that can put the past behind for a second and celebrate this moment.

There is no reason why the death of such a person should not be a joyous occasion for those capable of feeling joy, as much as was the death of Hitler of Stalin of Abu Mussab Al Zarqawi and the hopefully soon to come death of zawahri.

Absolutely no dignity in Bin Laden. An inhumane corruption on humanity.
I saw someone on Al Jezeera speak kindly of him today. Very strange.

 

[hrotha]

Cheering someone's death being inappropriate has nothing to do with that dead someone, but with the people doing the cheering. We all know Bin Laden did terrible things, there's no need to list them since that's not the point.

 

[andy1234]

Cheering someone's death being inappropriate has nothing to do with that dead someone, but with the people doing the cheering. We all know Bin Laden did terrible things, there's no need to list them since that's not the point.

Spot on....

 

[VeloCity]

All that stuff about the US aiding Bin Laden had been debunked more or less by credible sources. See " The looming tower" by Lawrence Wright. Osama wouldn't want or need aid from an infidel nation. It was against his code.

You won't look it up though. It easy and convenient for you to stick to your mythology.

I've read "The Looming Tower". It's a good book.

Look up Gulbuddin Hekmatyar some time.

 

[jobiwan]

I can not make myself to feel happy, because too much has been lost, but I am glad that there are those that can put the past behind for a second and celebrate this moment.

Not going to quote the whole post for space's sake, but I wholeheartedly agree with The Hitch. Great post.

There were many more Americans who were a little more quiet with their joy (including myself) than what you saw in the media. But we as a whole were just glad that an evil man had finally been brought to justice, and that perhaps those who lost family on 9/11 and in the war could know that their sacrifices were not in vain.

 

[Cobber]

I figure we may as well keep this as a thread of its own, given the significance (in the media at least) of the event.

When watching the news unfold, I had to turn it off when they started showing the pictures of the crowd outside the White House, flags, chanting, celebrating etc. Is that not a breeding ground for hatred and intolerance.

Is it really a time for celebration? Rather than a time where our thoughts should be with those who have been deeply affected by decades of terrorism (of which OBL was involved in to varying degrees). Should it be seen as some sort of closure, rather than a "victory". Of course, I am not one of those persons so cannot understand what they have been through or are going through now.

Then I heard on the radio someone call in and say they were finishing work early to go and celebrate the victory as this is a war and a great objective has finally been achieved... had to turn that off too.

+1... Agree completely. Unfortunately, the killing of OBL will have almost no impact on the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe his death can give some closure to those that lost family members during the 9/11 attacks, however.

 

[Oldman]

Not going to quote the whole post for space's sake, but I wholeheartedly agree with The Hitch. Great post.

There were many more Americans who were a little more quiet with their joy (including myself) than what you saw in the media. But we as a whole were just glad that an evil man had finally been brought to justice, and that perhaps those who lost family on 9/11 and in the war could know that their sacrifices were not in vain.

That was my point early on. Not every American is a media-robotized, Budweiser swilling moron. The extremity of response on this thread is more problematic.

 

[redtreviso]

""Saddam Hussein didn’t attack us. Osama bin Laden attacked us. Al Qaida attacked us. And when we had Osama bin Laden cornered in the mountains of Tora Bora, 1,000 of his cohorts with him in those mountains. With the American military forces nearby and in the field, we didn’t use the best trained troops in the world to go kill the world’s number one criminal and terrorist.

They outsourced the job to Afghan warlords, who only a week earlier had been on the other side fighting against us, neither of whom trusted each other.

That’s the enemy that attacked us. That’s the enemy that was allowed to walk out of those mountains. That’s the enemy that is now in 60 countries, with stronger recruits.""--- author known

 

[The Gnome]

Bin Laden's stated goal was to get the US to bankrupt itself via war hysteria...and not only did he pretty much accomplish that but that will continue after the ba#tards death...our country is bankrupt...thanks to bin laden and american politicians on both sides...

 

[Oldman]

Bin Laden's stated goal was to get the US to bankrupt itself via war hysteria...and not only did he pretty much accomplish that but that will continue after the ba#tards death...our country is bankrupt...thanks to bin laden and american politicians on both sides...

You folks are getting yourselves in a froth. Print your statement out, sign it and put it away for 20 years; then reread.

 

[Cobber]