Bin Laden dead

[andy1234]

Anyone want to shed light on the USA! USA! chants from crowds outside the whitehouse?
Has anti terrorism become a national sport now?

Offing Bin Laden is a necessary evil, but FFS, someone should teach those people some class.

 

[Michael Brown]

The majority of people everywhere are very similar. They celebrate the destruction of something that they see as evil, whether it be a despised and reviled political figure, a mass-murderer, or even a nation's symbols.

In a nation of 300 million+, you can expect some to show up celebrating, just as you could have expected some Muslims celebrating on 9/11. It only has as much weight as you wanna give it.

 

[fatandfast]

In local NYC news, one 20 something guy was gushing for the camera," He is dead, we got our freedom back!" some other young girl climbing up a flag pole and flashing her bra, lots of people drinking beer around the World Trade Center hole in the ground that has been sitting there for a decade. Larry Silverstein is probably a little sad to hear about Bin Laden he has only made 4.9 BILLION dollars so far from the towers falling.

 

[flicker]

If Bin Laden had wanted to do good, he would have used his power and money to reshape his country(Saudi) and his adopted country(Yemen) and led political non violent change there. Yes, those 2 countries are very corrupt.
Instead, Bin Laden chose Jihad, killing innocents and disrupting the complete world economy, hurting many other innocents again.
A bullet to the head is to humane for such a monster.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Americans are no different than the Dutch, English, Germans, French, etc.

that's why I said some You'll find people with same convictions, thoughts and beliefs in every country

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I figure we may as well keep this as a thread of its own, given the significance (in the media at least) of the event.

When watching the news unfold, I had to turn it off when they started showing the pictures of the crowd outside the White House, flags, chanting, celebrating etc. Is that not a breeding ground for hatred and intolerance.

Is it really a time for celebration? Rather than a time where our thoughts should be with those who have been deeply affected by decades of terrorism (of which OBL was involved in to varying degrees). Should it be seen as some sort of closure, rather than a "victory". Of course, I am not one of those persons so cannot understand what they have been through or are going through now.

Then I heard on the radio someone call in and say they were finishing work early to go and celebrate the victory as this is a war and a great objective has finally been achieved... had to turn that off too.

I agree with this. the media scenes of celebration were pretty distasteful sights imo.

 

[Astana1]

If Bin Laden had wanted to do good, he would have used his power and money to reshape his country(Saudi) and his adopted country(Yemen) and led political non violent change there. Yes, those 2 countries are very corrupt.
Instead, Bin Laden chose Jihad, killing innocents and disrupting the complete world economy, hurting many other innocents again.
A bullet to the head is to humane for such a monster.

+1

Good thing Hamas has already condemned the killing of Bin Laden.

Also someone needs to wake up Joe Biden and let him in on this.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Great news. Many thanks and congratulations to the American Armed and Security Forces who have accomplished this.

Oh, so it's nice to see the forum administrators allowing posts that advocate and cheer the DEATH of someone even though that is an explicit violation of the user policy forums.

It's s nice to see that Susan Westmeyer is such a hypocrite in her policies as are the rest of the admins.

I'll keep this thread in mind the next time one of these admins gives me one of their righteous lectures on how not to insult other cultures, nations, or people.

 

[Astana1]

Oh, so it's nice to see the forum administrators allowing posts that advocate and cheer the DEATH of someone even though that is an explicit violation of the user policy forums.

It's s nice to see that Susan Westmeyer is such a hypocrite in her policies as are the rest of the admins.

I'll keep this thread in mind the next time one of these admins gives me one of their righteous lectures on how not to insult other cultures, nations, or people.

The irony is thick with this one.

 

[flicker]

+1

Good thing Hamas has already condemned the killing of Bin Laden.

Also someone needs to wake up Joe Biden and let him in on this.

Yassir Arafat cleaned out the coffers of his own country,Palestine. Did Bin Laden make a peep about that fact?
Also Bin Ladens family was cosyed up to the Royal Saudis.

 

[Oldman]

I agree with this. the media scenes of celebration were pretty distasteful sights imo.

The "media" didn't organize them but the participants looked to be releasing years of pent up anxiety. As many of them appeared young they no doubt no someone that's been sent to war.

 

[andy1234]

Bin Laden-buried at sea!!!!!

According to reports... Not stored for identification purposes etc etc but buried at sea! WTF is that all about?!

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I'm always weary of discussing serious events online, but I wanted to make a few points.

There will be extremism on any issue. OBL's death will elicit many reactions, to which I hope everybody views with a critical eye; the white house rally-ers only represent themselves, the media only represents it self, ect.

Second, the death of a top leader does not change much in the way terrorism, or the war on terror is carried out.

The only important positive in my book is the unity driven around this event. Even if the feeling is artificial without any real cause for celebration, there is clearly a shared emotion across the US. For a country which as late as last week was still debating the legitimacy of the President, this emotion is a big deal.

 

[DirtyWorks]

OBL has been reported dead half a dozen times since 2004. How do we know this is real?

Is the news so welcomed it's accepted without question?

If true, I don't think it changes anything. Can all our troops come home now? Will airport security cool it and relax now?

It's symbolic. The witch may be dead but we can't sing 'ding dong' anytime yet.

Add to the above:

What are the unintended consequences to this action? I can think of at least one likely consequence.
What about the rule of law was served? This was a bad man. But, we've prosecuted many bad men before.

The guy is likely dead. Right now, the media is in full propaganda mode telling a story that may not be true. It's the circumstances leading up to and surrounding the death that need to be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism.

 

[erader]

has **** cheney congratulated the president yet ?

erader

 

[redtreviso]

The "media" didn't organize them but the participants looked to be releasing years of pent up anxiety. As many of them appeared young they no doubt no someone that's been sent to war.

Also being young they were children 10 years ago, they've grown up seeing war mongering flight suited bull sh*& as entertainment.

 

[python]

i have no knowledge as to whether the street celebrations are an accurate representation of the entire nation's reaction...

i do however recall well that the hunt for obl was PUBLICLY placed as an important priority by all american presidents. bin laden was not only evil but he became a personal enemy to most americans due to this public policy of avenging. i agree with avenging but don't quite get why it should be so open.

finally the goal was achieved.

hardly a surprise that some people celebrate avenging the deaths of their compatriots.

 

[pedaling squares]

In a nation of 300 million+, you can expect some to show up celebrating, just as you could have expected some Muslims celebrating on 9/11. It only has as much weight as you wanna give it.

Well put. Whether or not you agree with the cheering, you cannot say that the actions of a few hundred people represent the entire nation's perspective. The ones who reflect upon this event quietly don't attract media attention.

@ El Imbatido: that photo has been around for a couple of years now I think.

@ TERMINATOR: I've seen nothing in this discussion that is against the forum rules. People can express gratitude, relief, or even happiness about this event, or of course hold an opposing view. It's all taken in context.

 

[redtreviso]

Rush Limbaugh: We need to open today's show by congratulating President Obama.
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.for continuing George W. Bush's policies established to hunt down and kill Osama bin Laden

 

[DirtyWorks]

Also being young they were children 10 years ago, they've grown up seeing war mongering flight suited bull sh*& as entertainment.

They should put the current prez in a flight suit, landing on a carrier and have him speak on the deck like #43 with the head on a pike. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when Cheney gets his first glimpse of that imagery. All those crazies critically examining Obama's status as a U.S. citizen would collectively have a schizophrenic breakdown at the colliding imagery. Fun with propaganda!

 

[fatandfast]

Well put. Whether or not you agree with the cheering, you cannot say that the actions of a few hundred people represent the entire nation's perspective. The ones who reflect upon this event quietly don't attract media attention.

@ El Imbatido: that photo has been around for a couple of years now I think.

@ TERMINATOR: I've seen nothing in this discussion that is against the forum rules. People can express gratitude, relief, or even happiness about this event, or of course hold an opposing view. It's all taken in context.

I think watching a 20 year old chug beer and yell things about freedom will serve the extremists to great ends. It is so stupid not to remember that our government just dodged a big civil blow up a couple of months ago when an undercover CIA agent killed people after a car accident. We paid the blood money and he was sent home.
Now the news media is allowing the American brain to be conditioned to another non-reality. ****stan is a country of 180+ million people with less than 20 million tax payers. Smuggling and hunting Bin Laden are the biggest businesses around. Now Americans are acting surprised that it took so long to find him. An entire industry, finding Bin Laden, will dry up and so will the American monies that pour into ****stan.
Finding and killing Bin Laden is a national tragedy to our "trusted" ally ****stan.
We should never forget how disgusted we were when they cheered video beheadings or dragging our soldiers bodies in the street. I agree it is a minority cheering ,but as a couple of dozen guys with a plan and a few planes, some times it only takes a few people.

 

[Cobblestoned]

This day is like the royal wedding day - just adapted for the Americans, who were jealously looking over to the British culture party.

Now partys everywhere - people and streets decorated with stars and stripes.
No balcony kisses, no crazy hats, no royals needed - you just need some alternate entertainment in American style.
Navy Seals burning down the house, giving Osama a headshot and kicking his dead body from a USS water-carrier, after all soldiers probably had personal photoshooting with Osama's dead body, with putting both thumbs up and smiling on picture - one boot on chest, as if they killed a deer.

God bless America. All problems solved now.

No compassion for Bin Laden by me, but at the same time no compassion for all the fooled, shorteyed and manipulated Americans, who just prefer to see one side of the whole story.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

http://standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=DMF20110502_001

Obama announces DNA is Bin Laden's

 

[rhubroma]

I figure we may as well keep this as a thread of its own, given the significance (in the media at least) of the event.

When watching the news unfold, I had to turn it off when they started showing the pictures of the crowd outside the White House, flags, chanting, celebrating etc. Is that not a breeding ground for hatred and intolerance.

Is it really a time for celebration? Rather than a time where our thoughts should be with those who have been deeply affected by decades of terrorism (of which OBL was involved in to varying degrees). Should it be seen as some sort of closure, rather than a "victory". Of course, I am not one of those persons so cannot understand what they have been through or are going through now.

Then I heard on the radio someone call in and say they were finishing work early to go and celebrate the victory as this is a war and a great objective has finally been achieved... had to turn that off too.

Such reactions only demonstrate how out of touch with reality many Americans are.

Killing Bin Laden, if indeed he's truly dead, won't change a thing about international terrorism of the fundamentalist Islamic type.

And I agree with you, the instinct to celebrate was indecorous while it demonstrates a lack of maturity and discernment from a class in society that thinks of war as a stadium sport. They are also blinded by their own patriotism and all the propaganda. Dismal really. I can't understand why people give in so easily to fits of irrational emotionalism. In any case, I get all worked up for other reasons than the death of the enemy. Relief, when justified yes, but not celebration. If I and my compatriots had been the victim of repression of a dictator, or something, like Gaddafi and he got killed, then I could find some justification and dignity in going out on the streets and going wild with everyone else. But Osama was never my repressor, nor my dictator, but only a vile murderer from a myriad of other madmen around the planet. The only difference being that he tried to take on the superpower. If anything, I'm left wondering how it possibly could have taken America this long to do away with him. However, I'm sure the real reasons will never be known.

At the political and media level, for this reason, the death of OBL will produce a favorable return, because it sells well to the masses. At the military level, and the Pentagon knows this first of all, it means practically nothing, also because Al Zawahiri is the real big fish and in any case the Saudi Arabian has merely been a fast food franchise label for quite some time now. In this sense, Bin Laden's death is like the McOperation of the war.

 

[flicker]

Such reactions only demonstrate how out of touch with reality many Americans are.

Killing Bin Laden, if indeed he's truly dead, won't change a thing about international terrorism of the fundamentalist Islamic type.

And I agree with you, the instinct to celebrate was indecorous while it demonstrates a lack of maturity and discernment from a class in society that thinks of war as a stadium sport. They are also blinded by their own patriotism and all the propaganda. Dismal really. I can't understand why people give in so easily to fits of irrational emotionalism. In any case, I get all worked up for other reasons than the death of the enemy. Relief, when justified yes, but not celebration. If I and my compatriots had been the victim of repression of a dictator, or something, like Gaddafi and he got killed, then I could find some justification and dignity in going out on the streets and going wild with everyone else. But Osama was never my repressor, nor my dictator, but only a vile murderer from a myriad of other madmen around the planet. The only difference being that he tried to take on the superpower. If anything, I'm left wondering how it possibly could have taken America this long to do away with him. However, I'm sure the real reasons will never be known.

At the political and media level, for this reason, the death of OBL will produce a favorable return, because it sells well to the masses. At the military level, and the Pentagon knows this first of all, it means practically nothing, also because Al Zawahiri is the real big fish and in any case the Saudi Arabian has merely been a fast food franchise label for quite some time now. In this sense, Bin Laden's death is like the McOperation of the war.

Actually a good ending for Osama, pity it hadn't happened 54 years ago.
Unbelievable the US did not remove him, after the end of the mujahideen fighting Russia.