Bin Laden dead

Page 20 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
May 23, 2010
2,410
0
0
The Hitch said:
Putting people on ignore doesnt stop you from seeing them when they get quoted ;) Of course i can also if I feel like it click the "view post option" as i have here as i thought you would respond.

Glen quoted you hence i saw the comment.

Brought back the memories of the times you told me I was an alcocholic (which btw arent quoted here, I just did the anti Scot ones, so, mods, yes there is more of red telling people they are drunk).

Tbh though i thought youd be more proud of all those times you told Scott that hes a drunk. Proud of how you told him he was the same as the guy who tried to murder that woman. Proud of how you told him, who his heroes are, what he thinks, what he watches, listens to, does etc.

Some of your best work no? And yet you seem upset that i reminded your fans of it

Collecting other people's posts... Check
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
The Hitch said:
Im not sure that the plural is neccesary here. See if you can find a pattern in the names of the users that accuse others of being drunks.

Hitch, you realize Red smokes more dope in a day than you have your entire life... right? Trust me, Chronic does not even begin to describe his habit.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
redtreviso said:
Collecting other people's posts... Check

That really is as tough as you get, isn't it?? I hereby revoke your CN Nickname. You are no longer Klink.... from now on you will be known as Flounder.

animalhouse6.jpg



What is THIS!! A PLEDGE PIN?!??? NOW DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY!!!
 
May 23, 2010
2,410
0
0
Scott SoCal said:
Hitch, you realize Red smokes more dope in a day than you have your entire life... right? Trust me, Chronic does not even begin to describe his habit.

wrong.. gave it up for novice class mx with drum brakes... but you spelled sensimella well huh?
 
Scott SoCal said:
This is not a response governed by reason... in fact it may actually show some....













Wait for it....










Emotion.

You are just too easy.

Dreadful isn't it.

I remember thinking how everything must be in function to your fatness and how your breathing must be stertorous.

I'm appalled by my meanness.
 
Oct 29, 2009
2,578
0
0
OK, before I am gonna look at the above I wanna make it clear that the personal insults exchange better stop here, regardless of who started what and who replied how.

At a glance, there already will be consequences to some for the above, by the look of things. Don't push it.
 
I have mixed feelings about Michael Moore, but I liked this:

The Nazis killed tens of MILLIONS. They got a trial. Why? Because we're not like them. We're Americans. We roll different.

I would like the evildoers to be forced to stand trial in front of that world. I know a lot of people see no need for a trial for these bad guys (just hang 'em from the nearest tree!), and think trials are for sissies. "They're guilty, off with their heads!" Well, you see, that is the exact description of the Taliban/al Qaeda/Nazi justice system. I don't like their system. I like ours. And I don't want to be like them. In fact, the reason I like a good trial is that I like to show these *******s this is how it's done in a free country that believes in civilized justice. It's good for the rest of the world to see that, too. Sets a good example.

The other thing a trial does is, it establishes a very public and permanent historic record of the crimes against humanity. This is why we put the Nazis on trial in Nuremberg. We didn't do it for them. We did it for ourselves and for our grandchildren so that they would never forget these horrors and how they were committed. And we did it for the German people so they could see the evidence of what their elected leaders had done. Very helpful. Very necessary. Very powerful. And for those who wanted blood back then – well, the majority of the Nazis all hanged in the end. So, it doesn't mean the bad guys get away – they still swing from the highest tree.

Some believe that this was a "war" we were in with al Qaeda – and you don't do trials during war. It's thinking like this that makes me fear that, while bin Laden may be dead, he may have "won" the bigger battle.... We did exactly what bin Laden said he wanted us to do: Give up our freedoms (like the freedom to be assumed innocent until proven guilty), engage our military in Muslim countries so that we will be hated by Muslims, and wipe ourselves out financially in doing so. Done, done and done, Osama. You had our number. You somehow knew we would eagerly give up our constitutional rights and become more like the authoritarian state you dreamed of. You knew we would exhaust our military and willingly go into more debt in eight years than we had accumulated in the previous 200 years combined.

If we really want to send bin Laden not just to his death, but also to his defeat, may I suggest that we reverse all of that right now. End the wars, bring the troops home, make the rich pay for this mess, and restore our privacy and due process rights that used to distinguish us from any other country. Right now, our democracy looks like Singapore and our economy has gone desperately Greek.

Hideki Tojo killed my uncle and millions of Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos and a hundred thousand other Americans. He was the head of Japan, the Emperor's henchman, the man who was the architect of Pearl Harbor. When the American soldiers went to arrest him, he tried to commit suicide by shooting himself in the chest. The soldiers immediately worked on stopping his bleeding and rushed him to an army hospital where he was saved by our army doctors. He then had his day in court. It was a powerful exercise for the world to see. And on December 23, 1948, after he was found guilty, we hanged him. A killer of millions was forced to stand trial. A killer of 4,000 (counting the African embassies and USS Cole bombings) got double-tapped in his pajamas. Assuming it was possible to take him alive, I think his victims, the future, and the restoration of the American Way deserved better. That's all I'm saying.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/some-final-thoughts-on-th_1_b_861071.html
 
Typical moore. Claiming Bin laden has killed 4000 people.

Doesnt suit him to acknowledge that bin laden has been behind the deaths of hundreds of thousands and that 99% of bin ladens victims have been muslims, who he has waged war on for years. So Bin laden is presented as a misguided leader who was forced into terrorism by the big bad west, and killed a few americans because it was his only choice.

Just like when moore said that bin ladens death squads are "not the enemy, they are the revolution, the minutemen".

Moore would make a good member of this revolution. Just like Mohammed atta who told the passangers that they were going to land the plane so that they could make demands, Moore enjoys lying to people as he does here, ignoring the blood his "minutemen" are responsible. to facilitate the world view he sells.
 
The Hitch said:
Typical moore. Claiming Bin laden has killed 4000 people.

Doesnt suit him to acknowledge that bin laden has been behind the deaths of hundreds of thousands and that 99% of bin ladens victims have been muslims, who he has waged war on for years. So Bin laden is presented as a misguided leader who was forced into terrorism by the big bad west, and killed a few americans because it was his only choice.

Just like when moore said that bin ladens death squads are "not the enemy, they are the revolution, the minutemen".

Moore would make a good member of this revolution. Just like Mohammed atta who told the passangers that they were going to land the plane so that they could make demands, Moore enjoys lying to people as he does here, ignoring the blood his "minutemen" are responsible. to facilitate the world view he sells.

So then have 99% of Muslims put him on trial. ;)
 
Feb 16, 2011
1,456
5
0
The Hitch said:
Typical moore. Claiming Bin laden has killed 4000 people.

Doesnt suit him to acknowledge that bin laden has been behind the deaths of hundreds of thousands and that 99% of bin ladens victims have been muslims, who he has waged war on for years. So Bin laden is presented as a misguided leader who was forced into terrorism by the big bad west, and killed a few americans because it was his only choice.

Just like when moore said that bin ladens death squads are "not the enemy, they are the revolution, the minutemen".

Moore would make a good member of this revolution. Just like Mohammed atta who told the passangers that they were going to land the plane so that they could make demands, Moore enjoys lying to people as he does here, ignoring the blood his "minutemen" are responsible. to facilitate the world view he sells.

Assuming you're correct, Moore has made an error of quantity with regards to the number of people bin Laden had killed. Now, you're making an a qualitative (and rather hyperbolic) error by comparing a film maker to a murderer.

See the problem here?
 
May 21, 2010
581
0
0
The Hitch said:
T.....So Bin laden is presented as a misguided leader who was forced into terrorism by the big bad west, and killed a few americans because it was his only choice....

This is what I was expecting also. However, to be fair, he doesn't actually "go there" nor does he imply it.

Overall, a thoughtful piece (for Moore) and one that strikes just the right tone between patriotism and wanting to see western style justice.

You should probably read the full text.


Although, his views (in a tweet) about why ObL was found - due to a more competent Obama Admin. is pure hyperbola.
 
Dec 7, 2010
8,770
3
0
There is only One thing good about Michael Moore... HE IS FAT and will die sooner rather than later.

NAZIS gassed and starved an entire race of people. There is NO comparison to Osama's Al Queda ....and the US government.
 
May 23, 2010
2,410
0
0
Elagabalus said:
This is what I was expecting also. However, to be fair, he doesn't actually "go there" nor does he imply it.

Overall, a thoughtful piece (for Moore) and one that strikes just the right tone between patriotism and wanting to see western style justice.

You should probably read the full text.


Although, his views (in a tweet) about why ObL was found - due to a more competent Obama Admin. is pure hyperbola.

at least one person here doesn't read while drinking.........
 
May 18, 2009
3,757
0
0
Glenn_Wilson said:
There is only One thing good about Michael Moore... HE IS FAT and will die sooner rather than later.

NAZIS gassed and starved an entire race of people. There is NO comparison to Osama's Al Queda ....and the US government.

Yeah, so the worse the crime the more likelihood you get a trial??

Moore's analogy has a flaw. There is no line in the sand where this "war" stops, and Nuremberg was the culmination of the end of WWII along clear lines. Germany, Japan, and Italy moved on and worked to become productive nations in the world. By putting bin Laden on trial it would not result in the rest of the nutjobs in the world like him suddenly realizing the errors in their ways.

More than likely what would happen if he went on trial is there would be daily bombings, kidnappings, etc., which would be promised to cease if he is released. I have zero problem putting a cap in him, and even though I was jamming Scott upthread (I was talking about Americans, but this argument can be extrapolated) I admit this is a complicated situation with no easy solution.

The level of proof needed to convince a jury to convict may be difficult to reach. So, you let one of these whackjobs go because some evidence in a far away land wasn't obtained properly and they go and blow up a train. They are not gonna say "whew, I barely got outta that one I better straighten my life out".

BTW, did you get my motivation posters? Those are things to live by lol.
 
May 23, 2010
2,410
0
0
It could be said that the US and allies put on some due process for the Nazis but let the Russians get all kinds of barbaric payback..
 
Feb 16, 2011
1,456
5
0
Glenn_Wilson said:
There is only One thing good about Michael Moore... HE IS FAT and will die sooner rather than later.

NAZIS gassed and starved an entire race of people. There is NO comparison to Osama's Al Queda ....and the US government.

So, 'no' to racism, but 'yes' to fatism? It's okay to wish people dead? Whatever you may think of the guy's ideological beliefs, he's at least sophisticated enough to extend his goodwill and argue for positive values such as the rule of law.

You're actually proving his point: the Nazis were worse than Al Quaeda is and they still got a trial (and presumably a fair one at that.) For a nation that elevates its constitution to the realm of the sacred and doesn't shy from political proselytism abroad, the US is deeply and significantly hypocritical for denying an individual a trial for crimes allegedly committed it. US Forces presently occupy several middle eastern nations under the guise of bringing 'freedom and democracy.' Killing a foreign national on another nation's sovereign land sends the very worst kind of mixed message.

While were talking cultural genocide, it's worth remembering the walls of our homes are made of glass. The US Govt did eradicate an entire race of people: many of the present nation's indigenous tribes. The British were also great at that, even better in fact. No we cheer when they marry. I understand Germany has a royal family too...things are looking up for them, it seems. Royal weddings are like drinking from the river Leth; we must all be in hell already then.

BTW, Jewish people aren't a 'race.' It was just that kind of terminology that made them a target in the first place. Just like 'us and them', 'if you're not with us, you're against us.'
 
May 18, 2009
3,757
0
0
Stingray34 said:
So, 'no' to racism, but 'yes' to fatism? It's okay to wish people dead? Whatever you may think of the guy's ideological beliefs, he's at least sophisticated enough to extend his goodwill and argue for positive values such as the rule of law.

You're actually proving his point: the Nazis were worse than Al Quaeda is and they still got a trial (and presumably a fair one at that.) For a nation that elevates its constitution to the realm of the sacred and doesn't shy from political proselytism abroad, the US is deeply and significantly hypocritical for denying an individual a trial for crimes allegedly committed it. US Forces presently occupy several middle eastern nations under the guise of bringing 'freedom and democracy.' Killing a foreign national on another nation's sovereign land sends the very worst kind of mixed message.

While were talking cultural genocide, it's worth remembering the walls of our homes are made of glass. The US Govt did eradicate an entire race of people: many of the present nation's indigenous tribes. The British were also great at that, even better in fact. No we cheer when they marry. I understand Germany has a royal family too...things are looking up for them, it seems. Royal weddings are like drinking from the river Leth; we must all be in hell already then.

BTW, Jewish people aren't a 'race.' It was just that kind of terminology that made them a target in the first place. Just like 'us and them', 'if you're not with us, you're against us.'

Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark. :eek:
 
Feb 16, 2011
1,456
5
0
ChrisE said:
Yeah, so the worse the crime the more likelihood you get a trial??

Moore's analogy has a flaw. There is no line in the sand where this "war" stops, and Nuremberg was the culmination of the end of WWII along clear lines. Germany, Japan, and Italy moved on and worked to become productive nations in the world. By putting bin Laden on trial it would not result in the rest of the nutjobs in the world like him suddenly realizing the errors in their ways.

More than likely what would happen if he went on trial is there would be daily bombings, kidnappings, etc., which would be promised to cease if he is released. I have zero problem putting a cap in him, and even though I was jamming Scott upthread (I was talking about Americans, but this argument can be extrapolated) I admit this is a complicated situation with no easy solution.

The level of proof needed to convince a jury to convict may be difficult to reach. So, you let one of these whackjobs go because some evidence in a far away land wasn't obtained properly and they go and blow up a train. They are not gonna say "whew, I barely got outta that one I better straighten my life out".

BTW, did you get my motivation posters? Those are things to live by lol.

You make a good point: the present war, at least since they strung up Saddam, is againt 'terror' itself, rather than a nation.

As the playbook is flawed, the rational may well be to kill em all and let god sort them out.

I can't help thinking that the US is just addicted to playing cowboys and injuns. So much for America's Holy Sacrament.
 

flicker

BANNED
Aug 17, 2009
4,153
0
0
mike moore is just trolling for attention. If he were serious he would get liposuction and a new wardrobe. Is he competing with Rush Limbo in the fat category? I forgive Moore as I see him as a showman like Bill O'Reilly and Howard Stern, out for shock and reaction.
The deal is,(as I asume Moore knows) is Osama is a criminal, not a religious leader. I believe most rational people including Muslims understand this. However, there is a fringe element out there, I call them weak minded who Osama spoke too and for, not unlike Charlie Manson followers. If you read Bugliosi's Helter Skelter, you realize the danger of men like Osama and Charlie.
Manson is in prison somewhere, and until he is dead, and his followers are dead I am going to be scared. Moore's notion of putting Bin Laden on trial would be nice in a perfect and fair world. Bin Laden is a completely different case than the Nazi war criminals at Nuremburg. Bin Laden represents a popular movement against a system. His rhetoric was designed around fundimentalist muslim beliefs but he wasn't actually practicing his beliefs. He was a fraud and a manipulator of the masses. Shades of Hitler? Of course Hitler is another one who could not be tried and Hitler knew it.Unfortunately there are people like the man setting his shoes on fire to explode a plane, numerous human bombs, women ready to marry Bin Laden, who would be instigated to commit heinous crimes during Bin Laden's trial.
 
May 23, 2010
2,410
0
0
flicker said:
mike moore is just trolling for attention. If he were serious he would get liposuction and a new wardrobe. Is he competing with Rush Limbo in the fat category? I forgive Moore as I see him as a showman like Bill O'Reilly and Howard Stern, out for shock and reaction.
The deal is,(as I asume Moore knows) is Osama is a criminal, not a religious leader. I believe most rational people including Muslims understand this. However, there is a fringe element out there, I call them weak minded who Osama spoke too and for, not unlike Charlie Manson followers. If you read Bugliosi's Helter Skelter, you realize the danger of men like Osama and Charlie.
Manson is in prison somewhere, and until he is dead, and his followers are dead I am going to be scared. Moore's notion of putting Bin Laden on trial would be nice in a perfect and fair world. Bin Laden is a completely different case than the Nazi war criminals at Nuremburg. Bin Laden represents a popular movement against a system. His rhetoric was designed around fundimentalist muslim beliefs but he wasn't actually practicing his beliefs. He was a fraud and a manipulator of the masses. Shades of Hitler? Of course Hitler is another one who could not be tried and Hitler knew it.Unfortunately there are people like the man setting his shoes on fire to explode a plane, numerous human bombs, women ready to marry Bin Laden, who would be instigated to commit heinous crimes during Bin Laden's trial.

Forget the character of Osama bin Laden and how fat Michael Moore is..A bin laden on trial would open up who supported him and with whose blessings he operated.

.and When Michael Moore is on tv every single day for an hour and has 3 other hours of daily radio let us know. SHOWMAN LIKE--not
 

flicker

BANNED
Aug 17, 2009
4,153
0
0
redtreviso said:
Forget the character of Osama bin Laden and how fat Michael Moore is..A bin laden on trial would open up who supported him and with whose blessings he operated.

.and When Michael Moore is on tv every single day for an hour and has 3 other hours of daily radio let us know. SHOWMAN LIKE--not

Are you speaking of Arabs who are in high power and our allies who support Bin Laden? Or the masses in ****stan and Indonesia, Phillipines?

I read this blog and try to understand anyone's here ideas that a pirate who choses to sabotage society at large. What more fitting an ending for Bin Laden then into the drink?I don't understand the logic.
Look at the film Blackhawk down. Bin Laden sanctioned the chaos in Somalia, and most citizens there are suffering and hungry. Did Bin Laden stand up for the little people in Darfur?
Moore is a showman. His film on the Colorado, Littleton shootings.
I mean come on, he puts Charleton Heston on the spot. He is about attracting attention.Moore is a smart guy, he knew he would never get through to Heston. You can see Heston is elderly, I actually felt Moore blew it there.
I like Moore's messages. He is a sharp character.On this one about a fair trial for Bin Laden though he must be BS ing.
Moore has to know that trying Bin Laden would achieve exactly what the pirate Bin Laden has been trying to achieve.
 
May 23, 2010
2,410
0
0
flicker said:
Are you speaking of Arabs who are in high power and our allies who support Bin Laden? Or the masses in ****stan and Indonesia, Phillipines?

I read this blog and try to understand anyone's here ideas that a pirate who choses to sabotage society at large. What more fitting an ending for Bin Laden then into the drink?I don't understand the logic.
Look at the film Blackhawk down. Bin Laden sanctioned the chaos in Somalia, and most citizens there are suffering and hungry. Did Bin Laden stand up for the little people in Darfur?
Moore is a showman. His film on the Colorado, Littleton shootings.
I mean come on, he puts Charleton Heston on the spot. He is about attracting attention.Moore is a smart guy, he knew he would never get through to Heston. You can see Heston is elderly, I actually felt Moore blew it there.
I like Moore's messages. He is a sharp character.On this one about a fair trial for Bin Laden though he must be BS ing.
Moore has to know that trying Bin Laden would achieve exactly what the pirate Bin Laden has been trying to achieve.

Arabs in high places and Americans..

Blackhawk down the movie is more of an Anti Clinton hit piece than anything Michael Moore has ever done.. Bin Laden is like the Ollie North of the wahabi leaders, he worked in their best interests including 911..

Poor Charleton my cold dead fingers Heston.. The NRA is just "Ducks Unlimited" for drunk republicans.

Speculation about a trial for bin laden is just a mute point.. What if ...what if we were perfectly righteous after the fact.. What if Jack Ruby hadn't??-----------
 

flicker

BANNED
Aug 17, 2009
4,153
0
0
redtreviso said:
Arabs in high places and Americans..

Blackhawk down the movie is more of an Anti Clinton hit piece than anything Michael Moore has ever done.. Bin Laden is like the Ollie North of the wahabi leaders, he worked in their best interests including 911..

Poor Charleton my cold dead fingers Heston.. The NRA is just "Ducks Unlimited" for drunk republicans.

Speculation about a trial for bin laden is just a mute point.. What if ...what if we were perfectly righteous after the fact.. What if Jack Ruby hadn't??-----------

So, what you are saying is if Bin Laden were tried, as Moore insinuates the real truth would come out about who controlled Bin Laden.(Wahabi leaders, republicans for the New Century etc.)
The logic doesn't stick, because Bin Laden hid, he wasn't protected anymore.
He could not get out of his area to Indonesia or Yemen, or protected by some other madman in North Korea or Hugo Chavez in Venezula. Bin Laden's visa hadexpired, he could only hide with the corrupted in ****stan....
If you chose to argue here there are no Republicans or Democrats.
Just a pirate down with Davie Jones.....
Moore does not get it. He needs to spend some time in the Saudi Arabia, Somalia or Yemen, and not in a s**** hotel, protected by Blackwater.....
He needs to see the laws which people abide by in the Middle East.
Micheal, you are not in Dearborn, or Kansas anymore.... oh poor TOTO...
 
May 23, 2010
2,410
0
0
flicker said:
So, what you are saying is if Bin Laden were tried, as Moore insinuates the real truth would come out about who controlled Bin Laden.(Wahabi leaders, republicans for the New Century etc.)
The logic doesn't stick, because Bin Laden hid, he wasn't protected anymore.
He could not get out of his area to Indonesia or Yemen, or protected by some other madman in North Korea or Hugo Chavez in Venezula. Bin Laden's visa hadexpired, he could only hide with the corrupted in ****stan....
If you chose to argue here there are no Republicans or Democrats.
Just a pirate down with Davie Jones.....
Moore does not get it. He needs to spend some time in the Saudi Arabia, Somalia or Yemen, and not in a s**** hotel, protected by Blackwater.....
He needs to see the laws which people abide by in the Middle East.
Micheal, you are not in Dearborn, or Kansas anymore.... oh poor TOTO...


Who cares? He won't be tried..Republicans will continue to try to make hay about the legality of his demise.. blah blah..or how Bush really deserves the credit ....

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/richard-clarke-to-bill-maher-bush-deserves-zero-credit-for-finding-bin-laden/
 

flicker

BANNED
Aug 17, 2009
4,153
0
0
redtreviso said:
Who cares? He won't be tried..Republicans will continue to try to make hay about the legality of his demise.. blah blah..or how Bush really deserves the credit ....

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/richard-clarke-to-bill-maher-bush-deserves-zero-credit-for-finding-bin-laden/

The Republicans are lost, they have Newt Gingrich as their boy.
I am curious though. What do people think about the if..., if Bin Laden had been tried, or if....****stan would have captured Bin Laden themselves, if they could have held Bin Laden in a cell.... I think not, I think it would have been insanity for them...