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[jordan5000]

Thor > Boonen this season. No one is saying he's past it or that Thor has a better palmares.

How does thor have better results, he has 4 more stage wins in the tour but Boonen has won many classics.

 

[pmcg76]

How does thor have better results, he has 4 more stage wins in the tour but Boonen has won many classics.

Did you miss the bit where he said "this season".

 

[Midnightfright]

How does thor have better results, he has 4 more stage wins in the tour but Boonen has won many classics.

Hes saying this season, not overall.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I will compare as below :

Cobble :
Boonen + Sylvain Chavanel
VS
Thor + Hincapie + Van Avemaet + Ballan + Marcus B

Hilly :
Jérôme Pineau
VS
Gilbert + Cadel + GVA

Stage Race :
Cadel + TJV + Pinotti
VS
Leipheimer

Sprint :
Boonen, ceiok (Leadout : Tony Martin)
VS
Thor (Leadout : T. Phinney + TJV + Pinotti )


TT
Tony Martin
VS
T. Phinney + TJV + Pinotti

(Please update my listing. I think a lot of missing)

stage racers...
you mention pinotti and neglect a guy who came 3rd in a GT not 12 months ago Also you have tjvg and pinotti in multiple areas but leave out martin in this area too? The guy did win P-N, and come 2nd at romandie. I don't rate him as a GT guy (but then again tjvg hasn't a good result at one of these eithers, in fact seeldrayers has a better record, another you could add to the list I suppose. I do agree TJVG should improve tho) but he is an excellent short stage racer, better then TJVG no doubt.

Also in last two seasons pinotti has 1 tt win. so does velits, at the vuelta. He is a pretty good ttr also.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

no, Boonen was the 2nd strongest at RVV after FC. just like last year

no way he was.

Round 2 between me and Timmy will commence later today.

IT'S ON BITCH!!!!

 

[rides like a girl]

I don't think Ballan will be at BMC next year.

BMC win in the hills and stage races. QuickStep win in cobbles and TTs. Neither Boonen nor Hushovd are in the top class of sprinters anymore, but QuickStep have more of them..

I say Quick Step Long Name has a better GC team for GT's. by a hair. I don't see BMC getting much mountain help for Cadel. The crashes in the Tour helped Cadel by taking out many favorites. He was a TT away from losing. A better tactical team in Pard may have beat him.

Both BMC and Quick Step Long Name will be left looking at the back of AC when he decides to have fun and attack from the start of a mountain stage in the Tour. He will repeat the attack from this past Tour but without a Giro in his legs. He will finish. BMC will look like guys carrying pianos on their backs going uphill.

I don't see anyone on BMC who can help Cadel when a climber who can time trial goes uphill and he is left grinding by himself...Radio Trek Pard will no doubt improve Andy's TT skills...

 

[auscyclefan94]

I say Quick Step Long Name has a better GC team for GT's. by a hair. I don't see BMC getting much mountain help for Cadel. The crashes in the Tour helped Cadel by taking out many favorites. He was a TT away from losing. A better tactical team in Pard may have beat him.

Both BMC and Quick Step Long Name will be left looking at the back of AC when he decides to have fun and attack from the start of a mountain stage in the Tour. He will repeat the attack from this past Tour but without a Giro in his legs. He will finish. BMC will look like guys carrying pianos on their backs going uphill.

I don't see anyone on BMC who can help Cadel when a climber who can time trial goes uphill and he is left grinding by himself...Radio Trek Pard will no doubt improve Andy's TT skills...

LOL - if anything having guys like JVdB and Gesink competing for a high gc would of HELPED Cadel especially on the stages to Alpe D Huez and Galibier. Leopard Trek should of attacked more on the Plateau de Beille but by the looks of things, Frank didn't look that grea today and when Andy tried to put in a decent attack he was nailed back by Cadel, swiftly.

If teams like Leopard Trek and Saxo Bank can't improve his skills in the ITT then I don't see much chance for him in later years in the tt.

 

[auscyclefan94]

stage racers...
you mention pinotti and neglect a guy who came 3rd in a GT not 12 months ago Also you have tjvg and pinotti in multiple areas but leave out martin in this area too? The guy did win P-N, and come 2nd at romandie. I don't rate him as a GT guy (but then again tjvg hasn't a good result at one of these eithers, in fact seeldrayers has a better record, another you could add to the list I suppose. I do agree TJVG should improve tho) but he is an excellent short stage racer, better then TJVG no doubt.

Also in last two seasons pinotti has 1 tt win. so does velits, at the vuelta. He is a pretty good ttr also.

They still don't match up in comparison to BMC regarding stage racers. Pinotti is a good domestique for stage races but again, the stage races he has done well in were basically due to good time trial results and little else. Similar to Martin and Cancellara. I guess we can call Cancellara a stage racer because he won Tirreno and tour de suisse :rolleyes. Without Cadel, QSOM are better. With Cadel, BMC are better. :. The premise that Evans won romandie just due to the itt is clearly incorrect. He also peformed on the stage to Leysin and came 2nd in that stage to Romont.

TJVG has only competed in two GT's. He may develop, he may not. The way he came out of the tour of utah and in colorado indicates to me that he may very well develop into a GT racer. At the moment Seeldraeyes is better, but he is more developed rider than TJVG.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Like I said gilbert and evans are the defining factors for bmc, I don't argue that either of them are better then any rider at quickstep.

But I argued the ones mentioned.

Well if pinotti is a ttr, he aint really that great to be totally honest. Miles, miles behind martin for example.
If anything adding stage racer to his resume is a good thing.

 

[Ferminal]

Sky is probably looking like the best team for next year I think. They have so much depth across almost all disciplines, a bit like Rabo.

 

[greenedge]

I think Chavanel is better than GVA for the fact he has won stages at the TDF and had a good classics campaign. However GVA was driven into the ground in 08. Thor and Boonen are probably =. Also Gilbert would have gone to QSOP if he thought they were better suited for him. QSOP will have good attacking riders but BMC have a solid team with now a fully credential led GT winner and the conqueror of the classics.

I agree with Ferminal. That's what i said in the BMC Dream team thread. Now that they will have Cav as well along with Geraint, Henao, Uran, Dowsett, Kennaugh and of Course EBH. Add to that Rogers ( hopefully focusing on short stage races again ), Froome and Wiggins. Then they have CJ, Swift and Flecha for other races.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Sky is probably looking like the best team for next year I think. They have so much depth across almost all disciplines, a bit like Rabo.

two pretty spread out teams, with no bad riders in the ranks. Not lopsided.
Of course they both lack that gilbert or contador. But both are full of promising talent also. Ofc ourse sky with Cav do have a dominant guy. Kudos.

 

[El Pistolero]

two pretty spread out teams, with no bad riders in the ranks. Not lopsided.
Of course they both lack that gilbert or contador. But both are full of promising talent also. Ofc ourse sky with Cav do have a dominant guy. Kudos.

Sky with Cavendish, that counts somewhat as a "Gilbert" or "Contador". They also have Edvald Boasson Hagen who's having a pretty great season so far.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

edit- screwed this post up . noob.

 

[theyoungest]

two pretty spread out teams, with no bad riders in the ranks. Not lopsided.
Of course they both lack that gilbert or contador. But both are full of promising talent also. Ofc ourse sky with Cav do have a dominant guy. Kudos.

And don't forget EBH, who is already starting to dominate certain races. Rabo only have riders who can play second fiddle at best.

edit: ah, I see you mentioned him already

 

[El Pistolero]

thus why i said cav
eddy is anoter excellent rider. Not dominant in any area, but a freak-all round rider.

Yeah, but you said they lacked a Gilbert

I'd put Cavendish, Gilbert, Cancellara and Contador all in the same category: hors catégorie.

 

[dlwssonic]

Yes some of BMC's riders might lose to some of OSPQ's riders.
But who the fck cares when you have evans and gilbert?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

really? It is called reflection.

anyway your 4 are right.

@youngest.
that is what they lack, a guy who can consistently deliver the big results.
At the moment they have a lot of riders who deliver at some point during the season, an all round impressive team without that superstar.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

They still don't match up in comparison to BMC regarding stage racers. Pinotti is a good domestique for stage races but again, the stage races he has done well in were basically due to good time trial results and little else. Similar to Martin and Cancellara. I guess we can call Cancellara a stage racer because he won Tirreno and tour de suisse :rolleyes. Without Cadel, QSOM are better. With Cadel, BMC are better. :. The premise that Evans won romandie just due to the itt is clearly incorrect. He also peformed on the stage to Leysin and came 2nd in that stage to Romont.

Why do you use the same argument 3 times?
If Cancellara wants to do well in a week long stage race he can. This proves it. He just doesn't. Also the 2 he won were tailormade for him. That TdS had 2 TT's in it and a long one

 

[auscyclefan94]

Why do you use the same argument 3 times?
If Cancellara wants to do well in a week long stage race he can. This proves it. He just doesn't. Also the 2 he won were tailormade for him. That TdS had 2 TT's in it and a long one

Because people are continuall ignoring a perfectly valid point. You have pretty much justified my point. He won stage races which were tailor made for him. He won them in the ITT's That's why Martin and Pinotti have results in stage races. They can do a good chrono. Doesn't make them good stage races.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Because people are continuall ignoring a perfectly valid point. You have pretty much justified my point. He won stage races which were tailor made for him. He won them in the ITT's That's why Martin and Pinotti have results in stage races. They can do a good chrono. Doesn't make them good stage races.

Martin actually climbs a lot better than Canc and climbed with Kloden, Sanchez etc.... Did not lose time in the mountains. Canc would never have been able to win this years Paris Nice.

Pinotti's got a GT top 10 and a ****load of other good results on GC. ==> stage racer.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Because people are continuall ignoring a perfectly valid point. You have pretty much justified my point. He won stage races which were tailor made for him. He won them in the ITT's That's why Martin and Pinotti have results in stage races. They can do a good chrono. Doesn't make them good stage races.

like I said, go watch how martin won eneco last year

Again, Pinotti is not a top level ttr imo. Miles behind someone like martin.