BMC 2012 V Omega Pharma - Quickstep 2012. Compare....

[Midnightfright]

let me clear this up, I didn't make that thread nor do I agree with the contention that BMC is a super team.

levi>every rider in the world when racing in North America

 

[Midnightfright]

He has Gent-Wevelgem and Omloop

And another decent one-day race which earns you a striped jersey.

Always got to bring up the "technicalitys".

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

TJVG - never said he is one of the best climbers. Not sure where you got that from.

seriously? go read your own posts again.

You're argument why tjvg is better then martin.

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"Van Garderen can climb. Martin can't. Teejay is a far better all round rider. Van Garderen > Martin"

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At this point TJVG is only barety a better climber, just. And martin has shown abilty outside tt, look at how he won eneco. Is a pretty decent rider on the cobbles and little hills. He has shown excellent team work skills.

but most imprtantly, in his specialty he is just about the best at it. TJVG is not. Tjvg is not close to martin at this point. How on earth you could say tjvg > martin is ridicilious.

But expected that he is now a bmc guy. Just look at kristoff, you went on and on about him, claiming this and that, BUT the moment he was leaving you started talking him down.

Bottle - of course overall he is better than Pinotti but saying Marco is a stage racer is like saying fabian cancellara is a stage racer because he won tds and T-A. Simply stupid.

well pinotti isn't really a better ttr ethen levi either, pinotti doesn't exactly own the tts. If that is what he is bringing to the bmc table, big whoop.

overall as a rider pinotti is peanuts compared to levi.

Velits - very good rider. I agree. We are suppose to be comparing him to a BMC stage racer which would have to be Cadel, aren't we? There ain't no question in this.

like I said gilbert and evans are defining factors for bmc, excellent signings. That don'tt make them the best team in the world tho, no way.

GVA - did you forget Milan San Remo or his great ride in RVV and MPE? not saying you are wrong but give credit where it is due.

that is besides the point. Chav is clearly the better rider.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

He has Gent-Wevelgem and Omloop

And another decent one-day race which earns you a striped jersey.

woops didn't bother to check well Boonen has 3 PRs 2 RvV 2 GW 2 KBK 4 E3 and the striped jersey
Thor just doesn't come close when talking about classics

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Well Cavendish crahsed and Boonen not so he won... "if" Boonen didn't crash twice or 3 times in PR then... we can go on and on...

Exactly. How many times did Boonen actually finish a race this year?

 

[Parrulo]

woops didn't bother to check well Boonen has 3 PRs 2 RvV 2 GW 2 KBK 4 E3 and the striped jersey
Thor just doesn't come close when talking about classics

my reaction when people say thor is a better classics rider then boonen and use the world championship as an argument:

 

[Ferminal]

Thor has been superior the last two seasons.

But I don't know how you could say that he is anything better than equal if both are at their best.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Thor has been superior the last two seasons.

But I don't know how you could say that he is anything better than equal if both are at their best.

He was not last year. That's just untrue. Boonen and Cancellara were waaaaay ahead of the competition then. When Canc went in PR Boonen did almost all of the chasing, with Leukie and Hammond helping a little irc. until he was so empty he couldn't even sprint at the end.

 

[kanari]

woops didn't bother to check well Boonen has 3 PRs 2 RvV 2 GW 2 KBK 4 E3 and the striped jersey
Thor just doesn't come close when talking about classics

Boonen's classics palmares are obviously far superior to Thor's but the last couple of seasons, Boonen seems to be on a downwards path whereas Thor has probably never been better. So in a comparison between BMC and QS on which of the two will be better for a team next season it's not that far off to say Thor>Boonen.

 

[Ferminal]

He was not last year. That's just untrue. Boonen and Cancellara were waaaaay ahead of the competition then. When Canc went in PR Boonen did almost all of the chasing, with Leukie and Hammond helping a little irc. until he was so empty he couldn't even sprint at the end.

I mean more in results, even if Boonen gets 2nd in Roubaix it's still a lesser season than Thor's due the the quality of the latter's wins. Like I said, there is no doubt who is better in my mind H2H when both at their best.

 

[just some guy]

Kevin Seeldrayers > Moribito by a long way

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I think it's safe to say that BMC have got both the strongest and weakest riders. Cadel and Gilbert are above anyone OPQS has. But BMC have got a lot more, let's call them, mediocre riders than OPQS.

Also, when comparing the riders:

Boonen = Hushovd
Leipheimer > Pinotti
T. Martin > Van Garderen
Chavanel > Van Avermaet

At the moment I think that Boonen and Hushovd are pretty equal, probably with a slight edge to Hushovd. Comparing previous results is, of course, a different matter.

Pinotti isn't even comparable to Leipheimer.

Martin is way, way better than Van Garderen. Anyone arguing otherwise must be out of their mind. I do agree that Van Garderen is developing into a good rider and in a couple of years it's definitely going to be closer between them, but at the moment it's not even a contest.

Chavanel vs Van Avermaet is also pretty close to be honest. At the moment I think they are pretty equal, but I would give Chavanel a slight edge.

 

[Parrulo]

last year boonen was second at M-SR, second at the ronde and fifth at roubaix after chasing canc for 30k with every1 sucking his wheel until they decided to fight for second.

this year both missed the cut caused by the crash at san remo. boonen finished 4th at RVV and while he was nowhere near the strongest guy if he hadn't missed the last 3 man group(which i honestly think was a gigantic mistake) he could have won, thor didn' even featured at the ronde.

on roubaix boonen was unlucky at the arenberg and when he was closing in on the favourites a robo guy crashed in front of him and took him out. hushovd job was to suck canc's wheel and out sprint him at the finish and he still couldn't follow canc's last attack.(just like canc finished second 19 seconds down he could have caugh JVS and won)

i don't see any evidence of thor being equal to boonen at the classics. he is a top rider but slitly bellow boonen and canc

imo

 

[luckyboy]

Boonen > Hushovd on the cobbles, but not in those power uphill sprints.

Hushovd has been better overall this year though. If Boonen didn't have such bad luck at Roubaix we don't know what could've happened though.

Just wait til next April to figure that one out.


I'd put Chavanel ahead of Van Avermaet by more than just a little bit.

Omega Pharma-Quick Step is a much more balanced squad than BMC, who have some stars and some promising riders with quite a few mediocre ones.

 

[toolittle]

When you put it like that...


Boonen > Hushovd
Leipheimer > Pinotti
T. Martin > Van Garderen
Chavanel > Van Avermaet

We're left with Cadel and Gilbert. This season's most successful riders, but with the return of an on-form Contador and Valverde, they'll have a hard time repeating that.

I will compare as below :

Cobble :
Boonen + Sylvain Chavanel
VS
Thor + Hincapie + Van Avemaet + Ballan + Marcus B

Hilly :
Jérôme Pineau
VS
Gilbert + Cadel + GVA

Stage Race :
Cadel + TJV + Pinotti
VS
Leipheimer

Sprint :
Boonen, ceiok (Leadout : Tony Martin)
VS
Thor (Leadout : T. Phinney + TJV + Pinotti )


TT
Tony Martin
VS
T. Phinney + TJV + Pinotti

(Please update my listing. I think a lot of missing)

 

[luckyboy]

I will compare as below :

Cobble :
Boonen + Chavanel + Terpstra + Vandenbergh + Van Impe
VS
Hushovd + Hincapie + Van Avermaet + Burghardt

Hilly :
Chavanel + Pineau + Cataldo
VS
Gilbert + Evans + GVA

Stage Race :
Leipheimer + De Weert + Seeldraeyers
VS
Evans + TJVG + Pinotti

Sprint :
Boonen + Ciolek + Steegmans + Chicchi [if he is staying] (Leadout : Martin)
VS
Hushovd (Leadout : Phinney + TJVG + Pinotti )

TT
Martin + P.Velits + Rabon
VS
Phinney + TJVG + Pinotti

(Please update my listing. I think a lot of missing)

I don't think Ballan will be at BMC next year.

BMC win in the hills and stage races. QuickStep win in cobbles and TTs. Neither Boonen nor Hushovd are in the top class of sprinters anymore, but QuickStep have more of them..

 

[toolittle]

I don't think Ballan will be at BMC next year.

BMC win in the hills and stage races. QuickStep win in cobbles and TTs. Neither Boonen nor Hushovd are in the top class of sprinters anymore, but QuickStep have more of them..

Both of them are good teams.

How good they are when compared with another super team : Radioshack-Trek-Nissan?

 

[El Pistolero]

last year boonen was second at M-SR, second at the ronde and fifth at roubaix after chasing canc for 30k with every1 sucking his wheel until they decided to fight for second.

this year both missed the cut caused by the crash at san remo. boonen finished 4th at RVV and while he was nowhere near the strongest guy if he hadn't missed the last 3 man group(which i honestly think was a gigantic mistake) he could have won, thor didn' even featured at the ronde.

on roubaix boonen was unlucky at the arenberg and when he was closing in on the favourites a robo guy crashed in front of him and took him out. hushovd job was to suck canc's wheel and out sprint him at the finish and he still couldn't follow canc's last attack.(just like canc finished second 19 seconds down he could have caugh JVS and won)

i don't see any evidence of thor being equal to boonen at the classics. he is a top rider but slitly bellow boonen and canc

imo

Boonen didn't miss the cut because of a crash, he made it with the front group, but got dropped at Poggio.

Boonen was pretty mediocre at the Ronde this year which was his only one day race this season where he got to show what he's worth. I don't count G-W.

Thor was stronger in P-R than Boonen was in Flanders.

 

[lancaster]

was Boonen 4th best rider at RVV? No fricken way. Hushovd was 2nd best at PR this year. Doesn't mean he won or came 2nd.

no, Boonen was the 2nd strongest at RVV after FC. just like last year

 

[El Pistolero]

no, Boonen was the 2nd strongest at RVV after FC. just like last year

Erm hell no.

 

[maltiv]

no, Boonen was the 2nd strongest at RVV after FC. just like last year

Sylvain Chavanel was clearly the 2nd strongest rider, I don't see how one could possibly say anything else.

 

[jordan5000]

Tom Boonen> Thour Husovd, at least for his career. You can't really say that a rider is past his prime when he finished 4th in a monument, can you?

 

[El Pistolero]

Tom Boonen> Thour Husovd, at least for his career. You can't really say that a rider is past his prime when he finished 4th in a monument, can you?

Thor > Boonen this season. No one is saying he's past it or that Thor has a better palmares.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Round 2 between me and Timmy will commence later today.

IT'S ON BITCH!!!!

 

[Midnightfright]

Round 2 between me and Timmy will commence later today.

IT'S ON BITCH!!!!

My money is on Big Time Timmy Jim.