I guess fabian Cancellara winning the tour de suisse and tirreno adriatico makes him a stage racer 
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El Pistolero said:
No way Hushovd is better during the Classics, never been never will be.
I agree when we're talking TdF
El Pistolero said:
BS, 4th in Flanders - Nowhere in Flanders
Win in Gent-Wevelgem - Dunno
Crashed out of PR - Played the stupidest, most cowardice game in a classic ever.
Gent Wevelgem, give me a break. What a joke of a race. Cavendish would of won that this year if he didn't crash.Michielveedeebee said:
auscyclefan94 said:
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you were saying ?
Not in TT'ing, not by a long shot. He'll be a better climber though. in a couple of years. But right now, Tony wins
auscyclefan94 said:I guess fabian Cancellara winning the tour de suisse and tirreno adriatico makes him a stage racer
When he applies himself to perform as a stage racer he generally does well, yes, but before that he is a classics specialist, a time trialist and a domestique.
BMC should use Pinotti as a leader in stage races (especially the Giro) as he is probably the next best option after Cadel along with TJVG. A big gulf to the next guys.
auscyclefan94 said:
like i said dislike them more. didn't say i ever liked them. yawn.
auscyclefan94 said:
yes. Nor do they have any riders i like. Maybe GVA and now hushovd. But ridicilious hype and crap posted regarding bmc made them worse.
I don't suggest it is sound logic, but it is what i feel.
still probably better logic they overrating every single cyclist because they ride on the same team as some gremelin i have an obsession with.
auscyclefan94 said:Van Avermaet > Chavanel - Depends what you look at. I'd say Greg is a better classics rider and Sylvain gets a lot of his results from breakaways.
Van Garderen can climb. Martin can't. Teejay is a far better all round rider. Van Garderen > Martin.
Leipheimer and Pinotti are completely different riders. I'd agree with you on Boonen and Hushovd. Velits bros? Give me a break... He'll need to a bit more before he proves himself and anyway, blind freddy can see Cadel is better than them.
Even then, you still forgot Cadel & Phil. Keep the hate coming.
no was is gva better then chavanel. no way.
only decent result gva almost got in the classics season was from a breakaway in lbl. SImilar to chav, in a harder race, who still managed to get 2nd place after everything. For me the ride of the season.
Also Martin is just about the best ttr in the world, tjvg is hardly one of the best climbers. so that again is stupid. Even if he is a sub-par climber he still won pn.
velits has a podium on a GT. pretty good.
and lol, bottle may not be the most popular guy, but different riders or not he is so far ahead of pinotti, who grantyed might do an excellent top 20 in the giro next year
Boonen and Hush are probably close atm. I dunno.. Boonen can be better i am certain.
Michielveedeebee said:
Time trialling decided just about everyone of those stage races you listed. Marco is a decent climber and a very ood tt rider but he isn't a stage racer.
Most of his good results come from the GC of stage races. Looks like a stage racer to me.auscyclefan94 said:
auscyclefan94 said:
lloool.
ballan being stronger then chav.
hahahahaha.
my lord this thread is showing what little and how deluded you are in regards to bmc. hilarious.
Michielveedeebee said:Same reason why Evans won it as well
this. acf the guy always talking up tt using this excuse.
i guess evans only wont tdf because of the tdf ey
Timmy-loves-Rabo said:like i said dislike them more. didn't say i ever liked them. yawn.
yes. Nor do they have any riders i like. Maybe GVA and now hushovd. But ridicilious hype and crap posted regarding bmc made them worse.
I don't suggest it is sound logic, but it is what i feel.
still probably better logic they overrating every single cyclist because they ride on the same team as some gremelin i have an obsession with.
no was is gva better then chavanel. no way.
only decent result gva almost got in the classics season was from a breakaway in lbl. SImilar to chav, in a harder race, who still managed to get 2nd place after everything. For me the ride of the season.
Also Martin is just about the best ttr in the world, tjvg is hardly one of the best climbers. so that again is stupid. Even if he is a sub-par climber he still won pn.
velits has a podium on a GT. pretty good.
and lol, bottle may not be the most popular guy, but different riders or not he is so far ahead of pinotti, who grantyed might do an excellent top 20 in the giro next year
Boonen and Hush are probably close atm. I dunno.. Boonen can be better i am certain.
GVA - did you forget Milan San Remo or his great ride in RVV and MPE? not saying you are wrong but give credit where it is due.
Martin - I know he is around the best tt'er in the world. That's why he won PN and came 2nd in romandie. I guess he is a stage racer now like Fabian Cancellara is.
TJVG - never said he is one of the best climbers. Not sure where you got that from.
Velits - very good rider. I agree. We are suppose to be comparing him to a BMC stage racer which would have to be Cadel, aren't we? There ain't no question in this.
Bottle - of course overall he is better than Pinotti but saying Marco is a stage racer is like saying fabian cancellara is a stage racer because he won tds and T-A. Simply stupid.
auscyclefan94 said:
Well Cavendish crahsed and Boonen not so he won... "if" Boonen didn't crash twice or 3 times in PR then... we can go on and on...
auscyclefan94 said:
Evans is a decent climber and a very good TT rider. So Evans is not a stage racer.
Indurain was said to be a decent climber and a god on a TT bike so Indurain is not a stage racer.
Stage racers are decent climbers that can TT. It's the reason why Andy Schleck has never ever won a stage race.
Marco Pinotti is a stage racer. Although not a GT competitor
I'm making a thread on this because this thread topic has gone way off what it is suppose to be about.
BMC 2012 V Omega Pharma Quickstep 2012. Compare....
This is a follow one thread from the discussion on the "Transfers & Rumours 2012" thread.
This is a follow one thread from the discussion on the "Transfers & Rumours 2012" thread.
By using such a tight definition of "stage racer" you are saying that anyone who isn't amazing at both climbing and time trialing is a specialist, rather than a stage racer. In 2011 this means that basically Evans and Contador (and Froome I guess) are the only stage racers (they happen to have won a few between them) whilst everyone else is a climber (Schlecks, Cobo, Horner, Rodriguez, Dan Martin etc) or a TT'er (Wiggins, Tony Martin, Gesink, Leipheimer, Klöden etc). In reality we should be able to consider all of them "stage racers".
really should just be merged into the face palm that is the bmc super team thread, basically what it is about.
as for most of us it isn't about opqs v bmc, cause neither are super etc.
as for most of us it isn't about opqs v bmc, cause neither are super etc.
let me clear this up, I didn't make that thread nor do I agree with the contention that BMC is a super team.
Michielveedeebee said:
He has Gent-Wevelgem and Omloop
And another decent one-day race which earns you a striped jersey.
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