BMC in disarray?

[auscyclefan94]

A very nice image.

 

[Forunculo]

What a pity for Evans, I notice he is grateful for his helpers except TJ

It's a mystery to me why a rich team like BMC didn't provide strong climbing helpers to a man who won Tour de France.

 

[auscyclefan94]

What a pity for Evans, I notice he is grateful for his helpers except TJ

It's a mystery to me why a rich team like BMC didn't provide a strong climbing helpers to a man who won Tour de France.

I don't think so, Evans said he was fine with Tejay going up the road and aiming for white.

 

[Forunculo]

I don't think so, Evans said he was fine with Tejay going up the road and aiming for white.

Aside TJ Cadel doen't have anybody, I'm thinking about the investing money on Thor and Gilbert

 

[auscyclefan94]

Aside TJ Cadel doen't have anybody, I'm thinking about the investing money on Thor and Gilbert

Then why did you say this:

What a pity for Evans, I notice he is grateful for his helpers except TJ

 

[Forunculo]

Then why did you say this:

Quinziato, Hincapie and Burghardt are doing what they can but they aren't mountain goats.

Cadel needed to attack this year.

 

[nesocip]

8 more TJs (or not TJs, but dedicated helpers which TJ is obviously not) wouldnt make a difference for Cadel in this Tour.

It is amazing that such an experienced rider hasnt learned not to go too deep and **** himself up year after year. Had he learnt that as a younger rider i think he would have 2 or 3 Tours so far.

I remember in 2005 he was clearly the 4th best rider in that tour, and we all know how those guys ended up prior to 2006 tour. He should have dominated in that vacuum between Puerto and the rise of Contador.

 

[auscyclefan94]

8 more TJs (or not TJs, but dedicated helpers which TJ is obviously not) wouldnt make a difference for Cadel in this Tour.

It is amazing that such an experienced rider hasnt learned not to go too deep and **** himself up year after year. Had he learnt that as a younger rider i think he would have 2 or 3 Tours so far.

I remember in 2005 he was clearly the 4th best rider in that tour, and we all know how those guys ended up prior to 2006 tour. He should have dominated in that vacuum between Puerto and the rise of Contador.

LOL, pacing himself was going to never going to help him yesterday or on La Tousuirre. He had to give it his all to stay with them and just hope he would come back better. Dropping back is very easy tosay in hindsight and maybe he should have won in 2007, but not in 2008.

He was accused for being too timid, and now pushing too hard. You can never win.

 

[nesocip]

LOL, pacing himself was going to never going to help him yesterday or on La Tousuirre. He had to give it his all to stay with them and just hope he would come back better. Dropping back is very easy tosay in hindsight and maybe he should have won in 2007, but not in 2008.

He was accused for being too timid, and now pushing too hard. You can never win.

You didnt understand what i wanted to say.

For example, if you see you are digging too deep to stay with leaders and let go and maybe lose 45 sec on stage 10, because those 45 sec you avoided losing on stage 10 may cost you 3 minutes on stage 15.

Read comments of Samuel Sanchez about the 1st MTF of this year's tour to better understand what im trying to say. He said something like "i could have gone up at least a minute faster, but i didnt want to dig too deep". That is coming from a guy who is well known to be one of the best in managing his effort throughout 3 weeks.

If evans had that quality, combined with his superb TT he would have dominated 2006, 2007 and maybe 2008.

 

[hughmoore]

You didnt understand what i wanted to say.

For example, if you see you are digging too deep to stay with leaders and let go and maybe lose 45 sec on stage 10, because those 45 sec you avoided losing on stage 10 may cost you 3 minutes on stage 15.

Read comments of Samuel Sanchez about the 1st MTF of this year's tour to better understand what im trying to say. He said something like "i could have gone up at least a minute faster, but i didnt want to dig too deep". That is coming from a guy who is well known to be one of the best in managing his effort throughout 3 weeks.

If evans had that quality, combined with his superb TT he would have dominated 2006, 2007 and maybe 2008.

Thanks for making me laugh.

Evans is clearly not on form this year, nothing to do with "digging too deep", went lot harder last year. BMC will want Cadel in tour next year with TJ. Could be a good combination. Going to need some mountain goats though for next year as support.

Hugh

 

[nesocip]

Thanks for making me laugh.

Evans is clearly not on form this year, nothing to do with "digging too deep", went lot harder last year. BMC will want Cadel in tour next year with TJ. Could be a good combination. Going to need some mountain goats though for next year as support.

Hugh

Who was talking about this year?

I clearly wrote 8 top mountain helpers wouldnt make the difference this year.

Glad to make you laugh though.

 

[movingtarget]

You didnt understand what i wanted to say.

For example, if you see you are digging too deep to stay with leaders and let go and maybe lose 45 sec on stage 10, because those 45 sec you avoided losing on stage 10 may cost you 3 minutes on stage 15.

Read comments of Samuel Sanchez about the 1st MTF of this year's tour to better understand what im trying to say. He said something like "i could have gone up at least a minute faster, but i didnt want to dig too deep". That is coming from a guy who is well known to be one of the best in managing his effort throughout 3 weeks.

If evans had that quality, combined with his superb TT he would have dominated 2006, 2007 and maybe 2008.

I agree that he made errors in 2007 and 2008 where the fall he had did not help plus the three pronged attack from CSC was too much for him with the team that he had back then. 2006 I don't think he could have won. 2010 we will never know because of the elbow injury but he had already ridden the Giro so I think he would have struggled in the third week. As for Sanchez he has never been close to winning the Tour so not sure why he would be considered an expert although he has been a good GC rider over the years without getting the big results.

 

[nesocip]

I agree that he made errors in 2007 and 2008 where the fall he had did not help plus the three pronged attack from CSC was too much for him with the team that he had back then. 2006 I don't think he could have won. 2010 we will never know because of the elbow injury but he had already ridden the Giro so I think he would have struggled in the third week. As for Sanchez he has never been close to winning the Tour so not sure why he would be considered an expert although he has been a good GC rider over the years without getting the big results.

Samu is expert at limiting the losses. He lacks the TT to win a GT, and there are always a couple of guys that climb better then he does. Not everyone is equally talented. He would have won a vuelta or two had he continued targeting it specifically before switching to the Tour.

Evans has (had?) the TT and has (had again?) the climbing ability to do much better then he has done in the past, although he did a true champion's ride last year.

I actually believe 2006 was his to lose. He was far superior rider to Kloden and Sastre back then, Landis we all know what happened, and Pereiro should have never been allowed to get those 30 mins back, which was a huge tactical blunder by Phonak. He held good till the Alps and then started to fade.

 

[zigmeister]

Are you serious?

He 'out performs' his leader in 50% of one tour, and at 23 he's already better than Cadel, who in the past few years has not only won the WC, and the TdF, but podiumed several of them too..

So by your logic, he's better that PG, Thor, Hincapie etc?
Maybe BMC should just send him to the TdF solo next year then?
Imagine all the money they could save??

Is he talented? no doubt.
Is he over rated? I wouldn't go that far.
Is he the next big thing for the USA? possibly?
Is he better than Cadel? No.

Ready to change your opinion yet?

 

[El Pistolero]

TJVG is a bright talent for future GTs. Evans was old, now they have someone young.

 

[la.margna]

I actually believe 2006 was his to lose. He was far superior rider to Kloden and Sastre back then, Landis we all know what happened, and Pereiro should have never been allowed to get those 30 mins back, which was a huge tactical blunder by Phonak. He held good till the Alps and then started to fade.

Fully agree that 2006 should have been HIS year.

On the other side, Pereiro's 30min was one of the smartest tactics move ever in a Tour since a long time. If you remember Phonak would have never had a team with the capability to fullfill its maillot jaune controlling obligations. Also evidenced by Floyd's win, that it was a master move. A shame that somebody messed it up with sloppy and sketchy work when drafting Floyd's blood in the Dauphiné.

 

[nesocip]

When the guy you gave the jersey away to is still in it on the last meaningful stage (the TT) then its not a smart move, but a blunder they were lucky to get away with. They obviously greatly underestimated his form that year because of that terribly bad day Oscar had on the 1st mountain stage. It was a guy who was flirting with top 10 on previous Tour as well, not some random stage hunter with no GC aspirations.

 

[johnnycash]

has anyone else noticed that the BMC advert at the top of this forum has changed from CE to TJVG, is that a coincidence?!

 

[Apollonius]

BMC's Gilbert seemingly having to be held back from attacking a child today on stage 18:

Tensions are obviously high in an unhappy BMC camp. The GC defence has come to nothing and whilst domestiques like Hincapie may be happy wasting an entire tour riding for an ailing Cadel but it must be irritating to the more ambitious Gilbert.

 

[Arnout]

The attack on Gilbert didn't succeed in the stage thread so you decided to do it all over again?

 

[Apollonius]

The attack on Gilbert didn't succeed in the stage thread so you decided to do it all over again?

Nah - I supported Gilbert in the stage thread, I'd have been less restrained than he!
I'm just promoting discussion

 

[Wiggins_Sideburn]

They do not know how to spend their money wisely like team sky. Get in there.

 

[El Pistolero]

They do not know how to spend their money wisely like team sky. Get in there.

You mean like they did in 2006?

 

[la.margna]

What a disaster, BMC's 2012 season so far. Spending multimillions and winning nothing... epic failure.

 

[Netserk]

What a disaster, BMC's 2012 season so far. Spending multimillions and winning nothing... epic failure.

+1 Have they won anything meaningful other than Criterium International?