BMC in disarray?

[The Hitch]

If BMC hadn't chased, Chavanel would have won. Watch the race first then come back.

lol based on what.

Oh right Chavanel rides for your beloved team, of course

 

[El Pistolero]

lol based on what.

Oh right Chavanel rides for your beloved team, of course

Based on him attacking from 80km to go.

Based on Cancellara being unable to drop him at any point of the race.

Based on Chavanel being able to rely on a much stronger team.

Based on Chavanel having outsprinted him.

 

[The Hitch]

If Cancellara has already won why bother holding the race?

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Where did I say it was over?

You seem to forget that Chavanel was Cancellara's equal that day in the Ronde... Such a shame that people here have to ridicule Cancellara's competitors all the time

Hang on,

If BMC hadn't chased, Chavanel would have won

t Chavanel was Cancellara's equal that day

If BMC hadn't chased, Chavanel would have won

If it it was equal how do you know for certain Chavanel would have won?

 

[roundabout]

Boonen's ego wont stand for a helper winning yet again so scratch QS.

 

[El Pistolero]

Boonen's ego wont stand for a helper winning yet again so scratch QS.

Says who? Since when is Boonen selfish? If anything, Chavanel is a REAL leader now instead of a helper.

 

[El Pistolero]

Where did I say it was over?



Hang on,





If it it was equal how do you know for certain Chavanel would have won?

Because Chavanel wasn't riding in the wind and Cancellara was

Like I said, one person could rely on his team in the background. Cancellara never had a team and still doesn't have a team.

 

[The Hitch]

Based on him attacking from 80km to go.

What does that mean?

If you attack from 80k you win?

Based on Chavanel being able to rely on a much stronger team.

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How would this have worked. If BMC hadnt chased what, Quickstep would have chased, caught Chavanel and Cancellara and then....

led out Chavanel instead of Boonen

Or how did you expect Chavannels team to come into effect?

Based on Cancellara being unable to drop him at any point of the race

Its laughable that you argue that because Cancellara never dropped Chavanel at the point where he was merely trying to create a gap to the peloton, matters.

if we stopped RVV 2010 20k out you would have argued till the cows came home that Cancellara had been unable to drop Boonen hence bonnen would have won 100%.

Same logic.

Wrong logic. Cancellara attacks the companion when its clear its between them 2 for the win.

Based on Chavanel having outsprinted him.

Boonen would have beaten Cancellara in a sprint in E3 2010 and RVV 2010.

And yet Cancellara won.

How did that happen?

 

[roundabout]

Says who? Since when is Boonen selfish? If anything, Chavanel is a REAL leader now instead of a helper.

I can't explain otherwise why QS would send Chavanel on the attack from too far or allegedly ordering Devolder to wait in 2009.

They ride for Boonen. Full stop.

 

[roundabout]

Chavanel could afford to wheelsuck because Boonen was behind. That's his team advantage.

 

[El Pistolero]

I can't explain otherwise why QS would send Chavanel on the attack from too far or allegedly ordering Devolder to wait in 2009.

They ride for Boonen. Full stop.

In 2011 Chavanel was a helper yes. He proved the team otherwise and will now be a real leader alongside Boonen in his races. QS already said they won't sacrifice Chavanel this early anymore.

Yeah, come with evidence instead of posting something you allegedly heard.

 

[El Pistolero]

Chavanel could afford to wheelsuck because Boonen was behind. That's his team advantage.

Exactly.

And Cancellara also tried to attack the small group op 10 and still couldn't drop Chavanel. I bet he wasn't even trying then

Just face it Hitch, he couldn't drop Chavanel that day otherwise he would have done. He didn't have the power to stay away.

 

[roundabout]

In 2011 Chavanel was a helper yes. He proved the team otherwise and will now be a real leader alongside Boonen in his races. QS already said they won't sacrifice Chavanel this early anymore.

Yeah, come with evidence instead of posting something you allegedly heard.

That's what Pozzato and Cancellara heard.

And sacrificing a stronger rider is either extremely stupid or done on purpose.

 

[El Pistolero]

That's what Pozzato and Cancellara heard.

And sacrificing a stronger rider is either extremely stupid or done on purpose.

Lol, the two biggest gossip girls in the peloton. Very credible

How would QS have known Chava was THAT strong that day? They thought he was chance-less against Cancellara, but he obviously wasn't. They did make tactical mistakes that day, no denying there.

 

[The Hitch]

Just face it Hitch, he couldn't drop Chavanel that day otherwise he would have done..

How do you know that? He didnt try to drop Chavannel, he was trying to create a gap to the peloton.

Had BMC not worked (which is the stipulation here) then the peloton would have been too far behind, and THEN, Cancellara tries to drop Chavanel.

Also, i found the 80k argument argument funny and intriguing. Please explain how Chavanel attacking from 80 k means that he would win?

No seriously, Im really interested

 

[El Pistolero]

It means you're crazy strong that day.

You don't think it's impressive to follow Cancellara's wheel, with ease, after a solo of 30km? How many people are capable of doing that in today's pro peloton? Most of them can't even follow Cancellara for one km.

He didn't just try to create a gap between him and the peloton by the way

He also tried to create a gap between him and a group op 10, that included La Machine.

He also didn't try to just create a gap between him and the peloton, he also tried TO MAINTAIN A GAP between him and the peloton. If he went faster he would have succeeded. If he wanted to drop La Machine that day he should have also gone faster

 

[The Hitch]

It means you're crazy strong that day.

You don't think it's impressive to follow Cancellara's wheel, with ease, after a solo of 30km? How many people are capable of doing that in today's pro peloton? Most of them can't even follow Cancellara for one km.

You think its very impressive that he was able to follow Cancellaras wheel after a 30k solo?

So that means he was getting tired too on Cancellaras wheel.

And therefore wouldnt neccesarily have been this totaly fresh rider vs a very tired Cancellara, that you portray him to be?

 

[El Pistolero]

Since when does me finding something impressive make him tired? Weird logic. He didn't look tired while sitting on his wheel. THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE. Because as we've seen countless times already, it's not exactly an easy job to just sit on Cancellara's wheel and stay there

 

[The Hitch]

Since when does me finding something impressive make him tired? Weird logic. He didn't look tired while sitting on his wheel. THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE.

30k solo + 30k on Cances wheel vs just 30k solo. Which one makes who more tired?

 

[roundabout]

I doubt that the only source that you will find credible, QS themselves would publicly admit such a thing.

And as for Chavanel, the team knew he was strong. At least they should know. Sending him on the attack that early means that there are still enough domestiques left to chase him and team leaders don't need to do it themselves. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that BMC would have caught him anyway and that Boonen didn't gain much (if any) advantage from that move.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. But less of a risk that Boonen gets beaten once again by a team mate when that strong team mate attacks basically solo from that far.

 

[El Pistolero]

Cancellara obviously, he bonked.

 

[El Pistolero]

I doubt that the only source that you will find credible, QS themselves would publicly admit such a thing.

And as for Chavanel, the team knew he was strong. At least they should know. Sending him on the attack that early means that there are still enough domestiques left to chase him and team leaders don't need to do it themselves. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that BMC would have caught him anyway and that Boonen didn't gain much (if any) advantage from that move.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. But less of a risk that Boonen gets beaten once again by a team mate when that strong team mate attacks basically solo from that far.

Stupid yes. But rewatch the race and listen to what is being said inside the team car of QS They thought Cancellara was going to win and that Chavanel had no chance against him. So yeah, they publicly admitted such a thing You kind of shot your self in the foot right there

 

[The Hitch]

and that Chavanel had no chance against him.

They were right on that bit

 

[jens_attacks]

chavanel wasn't breathing that day.of course he was uber strong
and i think we will see a repeat because they will send him again for a long range attack this year.

 

[Froome19]

Yes, because Chavanel was the strongest man of the race. How would he have dropped Chavanel? Chavanel said Cancellara was going slow all day.

Chavanel attacked 30km earlier than Cancellara and the latter still couldn't drop him. It took him ages to catch him in the first place and he wasn't even going all out at that time(looking back and waiting for Cancellara to catch him).
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If he was going slow all day then why was Chavanel wheelsucking behind Cancellara?
And Cancellara wasn't trying to drop Chavanel but rather just trying to create a gap ,if chavanel could hang on for a bit full credit to him. I guarantee you that later in the race he would have been dropped by Cancellara

Based on him attacking from 80km to go.

Based on Cancellara being unable to drop him at any point of the race.

Based on Chavanel being able to rely on a much stronger team.

Based on Chavanel having outsprinted him.

As we have said earlier Cancellara was only outsprinted by Chavanel because he was scared of Boonen, and though you may use to prove that chavanel's team may have been a factor it's not so as if BMC hadn't chased (original point) then there would have been no team for Chavanel. Andd BTW Cancellara let Chavanel wheelsuck because he knew he was stronger than Chavanel and knew he was expected to do all the work because he was the overwhelming favorite not because of Boonen behind.

 

[El Pistolero]

They weren't, but don't let facts persuade you.

Chavanel wheelsucked because it were team orders. He wanted to co-operate, but wasn't allowed to do so. FACT.

So Cancellara was scared of Boonen last year?

Oh boy, that wasn't even the good Boonen...