BMC Suspend Ballan and Santambroggio

[unsheath]

Vacansoleil must be feeling pretty good right now.

 

[issoisso]

Vacansoleil must be feeling pretty good right now.

The forum's going to explode this year or the next or whenever it is Hoogerland inevitably tests positive again.

 

[BikeCentric]

It's only a matter of time before the next big police raid on the sport sets off another huge scandal. Actually I'll bet this makes it more likely as yet another institutionalized team doping ring is probably making the bloodhounds in law enforcement salivate for some more busts.

 

[Digger]

It's only a matter of time before the next big police raid on the sport sets off another huge scandal. Actually I'll bet this makes it more likely as yet another institutionalized team doping ring is probably making the bloodhounds in law enforcement salivate for some more busts.

For me the biggest enjoyment from another bust is Pat trying to explain that it's still only a few bad apples. "I'll gurantee next year's winner won't test positive. Brilliant." -

 

[issoisso]

For me the biggest enjoyment from another bust is Pat trying to explain that it's still only a few bad apples. "I'll gurantee next year's winner won't test positive. Brilliant." -

If he does, Pat will just argue he's not the winner because he tested positive and been disqualified. Self-fulfilling prophecy

 

[Bala Verde]

The forum's going to explode this year or the next or whenever it is Hoogerland inevitably tests positive again.

I find it quite surprising also that he has been able to fly under the radar ... In last year's Vuelta he showed a rather stellar performance gain. Not much later, one of the - later suspended/dismissed - doctors Peter Janssen published this book on the workings of blood, transportation of oxygen and even the use of EPO.

 

[tubularglue]

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Cunego - a mothers good intentions. hope she is correct

 

[usedtobefast]

More Drugs, not less.

 

[auscyclefan94]

It is a bit odd that people are only having a go a BMC when they are not the criminals here (well no evidence indicates so far), lampre is.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Last year, Lampre were the only ProTour team who took part in the Volta a Portugal. Somehow, this all makes a lot of sense now.

 

[ChrisE]

http://translate.google.com/transla...-campione-damiano-vittima-1602797581340.shtml

Cunego - a mothers good intentions. hope she is correct

She's an idiot.

 

[blaxland]

I guess this doesn't surprise any of us on here but,what about lampre? if this is systematic team organised doping then shouldn't they lose there protour license or something??

 

[Inner Peace]

I guess this doesn't surprise any of us on here but,what about lampre? if this is systematic team organised doping then shouldn't they lose there protour license or something??

Tour:

Lampre out
Vacansoleil in

??

Can ASO take Lampre off the invite list now or does the original agreement hold regardless of doping issues?

 

[riobonito92]

Thinking about this, and the Ukrainians, I wonder, does each major team have its own self-contained system, like a closed cell, or is there one massive ring that supplies lots of different teams? Or is it both: smaller teams tap into some international ring, whereas the richest teams do it all in-house?

The point is, will the dots get connected from Lampre to everyone else, or is this just going to effect Lampre and no-one else?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Lampre refuses to suspend any riders over the mantova investigation

 

[Ripper]

can anybody explain me why riders under investigation (not guilty ... yet, perhaps never) are being suspended by their own team, while a guy like Valverde that has been found guilty and has been convicted (although only in Italy) is still happily riding and winning races ?

does this make sense to anybody out there (other than to Valverde fans) ...

It's BS, quite simply.

 

[Ripper]

My answer is one team has different standards than the other. IMO.

+1.

And now, in relation to this case, we see that Lampre will not suspend anyone.

Of course, a big difference here is - BMC wants to keep the Tour invite, while Lampre knows they are outta the Pro Tour regardless. Caisse d'Epargne and Valverde are on a whole other level of legal silliness.

 

[Oncearunner8]

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Cunego - a mothers good intentions. hope she is correct

"We grew up with sound values and principles."

Maybe they come from a amish or menonite family that would never lie? I heard that argument before someplace?????????

 

[Nearly]

Lampre refuses to suspend any riders over the mantova investigation

Does that surprise anyone? They might as well fold. At least they live to fight another day and it is not entirely unfair to ask what if anything is being levelled against any one or more of the riders and officials. Unless BMC actually have more information than is currently publicly available they are motivated exactly in the same way Lampre is i.e. with an eye on self preservation. It is just that the 2 teams are in very different positions.

 

[craig1985]

In the eyes of people on internet forums, the media, and general public, Lampre are already guilty. I'm waiting for the investigation as to whether or not they are up to no good, but even if all the riders are cleared, they will still be considered guilty.

 

[auscyclefan94]

+1.

And now, in relation to this case, we see that Lampre will not suspend anyone.

Of course, a big difference here is - BMC wants to keep the Tour invite, while Lampre knows they are outta the Pro Tour regardless. Caisse d'Epargne and Valverde are on a whole other level of legal silliness.

People seem to always look the worst in people. Could it just be that they don't want a dirty image of the team! Prudhomme said that BMC did the right thing. MS and AB were not riding the tour anyway. Could it be possible that they are just doing the right thing and suspending these riders because they are involved in anything?

 

[luckyboy]

Savio says Mantova investigation is bad for Italian cycling. Lol

 

[issoisso]

Savio says Mantova investigation is bad for Italian cycling. Lol

Of course he'd say that. It's Savio.

 

[joe_papp]

The biological passport was launched at the end of October 2007 by the UCI, why did it not pick up on the discrepancies ?

Why would you think that it didn't?

While I don't want to make a declaration of absolute certainty, you might consider that 1) certain riders' Biopassports may have been "off-limits" w/ regards to the initiation of any sanctioning during the period in question and/or 2) the passport data actually could have been used to warn certain high-profile riders to radically revamp their "programs" to get their blood values back in order and avoid a massive scandal for cycling were they to have tested positive. For example, how damaging would it have been to the sport to have the '08 World Road Champ and the Olympic TT champ both go positive for blood doping at the start of the '09 season?

Regarding FC in 2009: "Cancellara won the prologue of the Tour of California for the second year running. However, he then had a dip in form and could not defend his title at the Tirreno-Adriatico while not performing to his usual high level in any of the spring classics." - Wikipedia

 

[Anonymous]

Regarding FC in 2009: "Cancellara won the prologue of the Tour of California for the second year running. However, he then had a dip in form and could not defend his title at the Tirreno-Adriatico while not performing to his usual high level in any of the spring classics." - Wikipedia

So are you implying FC was warned in 2009, which is why his form dipped? If so, what about this last few weeks - he was given the go-ahead to drink the golden elixir again?