Boonen VS Cancellara

[Panda Claws]

Jesus you're making me sick. I DIDN'T EVEN MENTION HIM UNTIL WINTERFOLD DID.

And I'll keep on talking about Alberto no matter what you say. It's bull**** that the only place where I can talk about him now is the Clinic. And besides, even if I talk about him there you attack me. We already know you hate him so just **** off.

But go on, keep on attacking me about it, I don't care.

Saying that Bradley Wiggins wouldn't deserve a TDF win is pretty much mentioning him. After all we all know that you meant Wiggins wouldn't deserve it because Contador isn't there.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Saying that Bradley Wiggins wouldn't deserve a TDF win is pretty much mentioning him. After all we all know that you meant Wiggins wouldn't deserve it because Contador isn't there.

No just because I don't like him. Which is partially because he's mean to Alberto but mostly because he's just an arrogant jerk.

 

[mr. tibbs]

C'mon guys--this is Spring! Grand Tours (and the pencil necks who ride them) need not apply. In spring, the leaders SET the pace; they don't follow.

I loved the 2010 edition of Flanders. The two strongest guys took control and blew the race apart. I hope Flanders plays out like that again, with a one-on-one for 30 or 40km where Cancellara knows he has to shell Boonen before the end.

<3 De Ronde <3

 

[Swede1]

Alright Canc will win flanders easily. And boonen will win roubaix seemingly easily. On the hills cancellara will drop everyone. In roubaix boonen and other will just draft cancellara and then boonen will beat him in the sprint.

 

[The Hitch]

Again another thread hijacked by Contador talk by you know who.

The guy is history until August and so get over it. If you want to continue to talk about it, go to the clinic. And whoever wins a Grand Tour deserves it and whoever cheats for it does not deserve it. And we all know why you hate BW is because he criticised Sir Bertie. He spoke the truth and you cant take it. Now move on. Lets talk about the good things in cycling.

Anyway lets get on to the real issues. I would agree with El Pistolero. Just look when Cancellara crashed, one of his team mates came back the road and Cancellara just raced by him and infact he dragged his own team mate back to the group with no help whatsoever.

Where did wiggins "criticise bertie" and " tell the truth." im sympathetic to wiggins 07 anti doping speech but one really must wait till he withdraws all his later hero worship of contadors predecessor before portraying him as some sort of pro clean cycling crusader.

 

[Wallace]

Chavanel was a beast yesterday--he's in great form. OPQS has some serious cards to work with. They can tell Chavanel to sit on Fabian's wheel, etc. My prediction for Flanders and P-R is that in both races Cancellara will show everyone that he's the strongest man, and that in both races someone else will win. Boonen was never entirely happy with both of Devolder's Flanders victories--the second one seemed to especially irk him--but he knows how to be a team player.

 

[El Pistolero]

Chavanel was a beast yesterday--he's in great form. OPQS has some serious cards to work with. They can tell Chavanel to sit on Fabian's wheel, etc. My prediction for Flanders and P-R is that in both races Cancellara will show everyone that he's the strongest man, and that in both races someone else will win. Boonen was never entirely happy with both of Devolder's Flanders victories--the second one seemed to especially irk him--but he knows how to be a team player.

And he's good friends with Chava. More so than he was with Devolder.

 

[TheRossSeaParty]

I think Boonen has more cards to play and the way he is looking it is going to be a big battle. Cancellara has to go out on his own. I think the past few years Boonen wasn't at his best and Canc was. This year I think they are pretty even and with Boonen being the better sprinter I would say he has the advantage. Plus Boonen mauling people on the hills yesterday and Canc couldn't pull away on the Oude Kwaaremont. Either way this is going to be an awesome few weekends coming up! Go Boonen! I would love to see him break (or at least tie) all the records for these races.

 

[mr. tibbs]

And he's good friends with Chava. More so than he was with Devolder.

Speaking of Devolder's wins, there's a front page write-up about his chances for winning this year. At first I was like, "Oh--I didn't realize that Devolder is back on Boonen's team," but then I was like "Oh yeah, he's not, so he doesn't have a chance."

 

[Panda Claws]

I think Boonen has more cards to play and the way he is looking it is going to be a big battle. Cancellara has to go out on his own. I think the past few years Boonen wasn't at his best and Canc was. This year I think they are pretty even and with Boonen being the better sprinter I would say he has the advantage. Plus Boonen mauling people on the hills yesterday and Canc couldn't pull away on the Oude Kwaaremont. Either way this is going to be an awesome few weekends coming up! Go Boonen! I would love to see him break (or at least tie) all the records for these races.

No. 2010 Boonen was defintely at his best.

 

[c&cfan]

No. 2010 Boonen was defintely at his best.

better than 2005/2006? i don't think so.

what i really like about bonnen and cancellara is their pride. for example, boonen could just sit behind canc the whole race and win it by sprinting. will he do it?? never!! that's a champion..
cancellara may know that he won't drop tom.. will he stop trying at flanders or roubaix? never! just watch last year's ronde! that's pride! that's class!

another amazing thing..

boonen at his best can drop canc...
canc at his best in a small group can outsprint tom..

both are amazing!! finally both have great form.. i just can't wait..

 

[DirtyWorks]

I think Boonen has more cards to play and the way he is looking it is going to be a big battle. Cancellara has to go out on his own...

Ding! Ding! Ding! Winner!

With The Hog running Tandy, there was a slim-to-none chance they could cobble together a one-day team. Cancellara had zero help deep into another one-day monument, similar to MSR.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancellaras-bad-luck-ruins-e3-harelbeke-defence

"RadioShack leader suffered another puncture. With no team assistance in sight he was forced to ride to the crest of the climb with a flat tyre."

This is what makes cycling a great sport. The strongest guy in one-day events doesn't always win.

Boonen and Co. have so much depth that should Boonen falter, there's someone ready *and able* to take up the fight. The rest of the spring classics should follow a similar formula. Cancellara doing battle essentially alone at the front with Boonen and Co there to do damage control and then set Boonen up for the win.

 

[mr. tibbs]

better than 2005/2006? i don't think so.

what i really like about bonnen and cancellara is their pride. for example, boonen could just sit behind canc the whole race and win it by sprinting. will he do it?? never!! that's a champion..
cancellara may know that he won't drop tom.. will he stop trying at flanders or roubaix? never! just watch last year's ronde! that's pride! that's class!

another amazing thing..

boonen at his best can drop canc...
canc at his best in a small group can outsprint tom..

both are amazing!! finally both have great form.. i just can't wait..

Agreed with everything except the 2005/06 vs 2010 Boonen. Remember that in Flanders 2010, even while Cancellara was gaining time on Boonen, Boonen was still gaining time on the rest of the field. That's monstrous. I think that was both men at or near their best. Loved that race!

 

[Sciatic]

Agreed with everything except the 2005/06 vs 2010 Boonen. Remember that in Flanders 2010, even while Cancellara was gaining time on Boonen, Boonen was still gaining time on the rest of the field. That's monstrous. I think that was both men at or near their best. Loved that race!

And though Canc was obviously a Superman in PA2010, we don't know exactly whether Boonen could have held on because Boonen was snoozing while having his lunch and wasn't watching when Canc went off the front of their group.

 

[rghysens]

Agreed with everything except the 2005/06 vs 2010 Boonen. Remember that in Flanders 2010, even while Cancellara was gaining time on Boonen, Boonen was still gaining time on the rest of the field. That's monstrous. I think that was both men at or near their best. Loved that race!

+1.
While Boonen "cracked" he still gained 45 seconds on Gilbert and Leukemans between the muur and the finish.

 

[Froome19]

It may just be me
But Cancellara is obviously stronger, so there isnt much to debate.....
Too argue boonen is stronger is obviously wronge, can he beat cancellara in a sprint? Yes but the hard part is getting to that point.....

 

[El Pistolero]

Lol? Where did you see Cancellara being so "obviously" stronger?

 

[Anonymous]

better than 2005/2006? i don't think so.

what i really like about bonnen and cancellara is their pride. for example, boonen could just sit behind canc the whole race and win it by sprinting. will he do it?? never!! that's a champion..
cancellara may know that he won't drop tom.. will he stop trying at flanders or roubaix? never! just watch last year's ronde! that's pride! that's class!

another amazing thing..

boonen at his best can drop canc...
canc at his best in a small group can outsprint tom..

both are amazing!! finally both have great form.. i just can't wait..

Exactly. This is why the finale at MSR was a bit unfortunate.

 

[Froome19]

Lol? Where did you see Cancellara being so "obviously" stronger?

Aaah last year and the year before and the year before....

 

[Anonymous]

Lol? Where did you see Cancellara being so "obviously" stronger?

Up pretty close at PR 2010. Tommeke was strong but no way, no way does Tom go at 47k (or whatever the exact distance was because before you know it Hog will roll up here and point out that it was actually 48k from the finish) and stay away.

No way, no how.

 

[c&cfan]

Aaah last year and the year before and the year before....

wait a little..

cancellara on top shape while racing MSR, ronde and roubaix is superman to anyone.. nobody can be as strong as him.

except tom.

i see cancellara as the strongest guy ever at these 3 monuments.
but i also see boonen as equal (when he is at is best) with the potential to be even stronger.

sorry but how old are you?do you remember "tornado tom"? i think that canc is equal to boonen at his 2005/2006 level. but i don't believe that boonen was at his limit back then. just like ulrich at 23...

so much potential..

 

[c&cfan]

Up pretty close at PR 2010. Tommeke was strong but no way, no way does Tom go at 47k (or whatever the exact distance was because before you know it Hog will roll up here and point out that it was actually 48k from the finish) and stay away.

No way, no how.

not that year.. this year he looks much better.

 

[El Pistolero]

Aaah last year and the year before and the year before....

Cancellara was TOTAL CRAP in the classics of 2009. He was sick. Boonen was TOTAL CRAP in the classics of 2011. Some idiot made him crash in the Tour de Suisse 2010.

Boonen was BETTER in 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.

This is about 2012, not 2011.

So far they seem evenly matched, it can go either way really.

 

[c&cfan]

Cancellara was TOTAL CRAP in the classics of 2009. He was sick. Boonen was TOTAL CRAP in the classics of 2011. Some idiot made him crash in the Tour de Suisse 2010.

Boonen was BETTER in 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.

This is about 2012, not 2011.

basically we are having a nice discussion and you are already starting to trash it.

 

[Anonymous]

not that year.. this year he looks much better.

I think you are correct... He's clearly going well as is his team. Should be an outstanding couple of weekends.

Btw, Flanders will almost certainly have rain.. at least from the looks of things AND the longer range forecasts are showing rain the weekend of PR as well.

Could be epic.