Boonen VS Cancellara

[Froome19]

in 2010 boonen was indeed very strong.

but he wasn't all that strong at the 2011 ronde. when gilbert pushed the pace up the muur to bridge across to canc, who upped the pace himself for the second part of the climb, boonen was in 4th place at the start just behind gilbert leukemens and nuyens over the muur he gets passed by ballan and let's a very big gap form over those guys. sorry but 2010 boonen wouldn't have been dropped by ballan nuyens and leukemens on the muur.

He was the only rider from the group behind Chavanel, Canc and Nuyens, who had any energy left to try and bridge the gap in the finale.

 

[Panda Claws]

He was the only rider from the group behind Chavanel, Canc and Nuyens, who had any energy left to try and bridge the gap in the finale.

Flecha tried as well.

 

[Froome19]

Flecha tried as well.

Yeh but he exploded or something because he finished in like 13th or something whilst Boonen just bridged too late and was stuck in the middle and came 4th.

 

[hatcher]

Flecha tried to bridge, and Boonen (quite rightly) sat on his wheel until Flecha gave up.

 

[El Pistolero]

Flecha tried to bridge, and Boonen (quite rightly) sat on his wheel until Flecha gave up.

No, Boonen didn't even notice they had a gap until he looked back.

 

[hatcher]

No, Boonen didn't even notice they had a gap until he looked back.

And that makes absolutely no difference to the point. Flecha tried to bridge, Boonen sat on him.

I find it amusing that you were happy to go along with the posts saying Boonen tried to bridge though, and only point out fault when it's suggested he sat on.

 

[El Pistolero]

He took over the moment he realized they had a gap. If he had noticed sooner, he might have even came closer to the front trio.

 

[hatcher]

Are you seeing imaginary criticisms of Boonen again?

 

[El Pistolero]

Where did I say you criticized Boonen? My post wasn't really aggressive you know

I'm just saying Boonen didn't know they had a gap. I don't know about Flecha, didn't read his post-race interviews.

 

[hatcher]

Fair enough. We've both had too much to drink. Boonen did the right thing whether he knew they had a gap or not.

 

[El Pistolero]

I think Boonen should have gone sooner if you see the power he still developed in the final kilometer. But like I said, he didn't know they had a gap which happens a lot during races really, a rider having a gap without realizing it. That's how Farnese Vini got 3 guys in the break at Dwars door Vlaanderen.

 

[Panda Claws]

Yeh but he exploded or something because he finished in like 13th or something whilst Boonen just bridged too late and was stuck in the middle and came 4th.

True.

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[Angliru]

Sry i just was posing the question is this the best 1vs1 battle that will happen for 5 years or ( being sort of sarcastic- i am looking forward to the TDF ) will the BW vs CE ITT battle be better than Boonen/ Cancellaras'.

I see no reason one should apoligize to some of these moderator/admin wannabe's. If they don't like the direction a person has taken the discussion then they should use the ignore feature in the User CP.

Now I'm looking forward to Boonen vs Cancellara. Boonen appears to be in rare form and his challenging Cancellara can only make for exciting racing. It's almost like a heavyweight title bout from back in the day. I'm personally rooting for Boonen to get back on the top step of the PR podium.

 

[Angliru]

better than 2005/2006? i don't think so.

what i really like about bonnen and cancellara is their pride. for example, boonen could just sit behind canc the whole race and win it by sprinting. will he do it?? never!! that's a champion..
cancellara may know that he won't drop tom.. will he stop trying at flanders or roubaix? never! just watch last year's ronde! that's pride! that's class!

another amazing thing..

boonen at his best can drop canc...
canc at his best in a small group can outsprint tom..

both are amazing!! finally both have great form.. i just can't wait..

I think you have the bolded part transposed:

Canc at his best can drop Boonen
Boonen at his best in a small group can outsprint Canc (or from any group)

 

[Angliru]

Aaah last year and the year before and the year before....

I thought the op was referring to the here & now, not the past.

 

[Froome19]

I think you have the bolded part transposed:

Canc at his best can drop Boonen
Boonen at his best in a small group can outsprint Canc (or from any group)

He was trying to make a point about how they can beat each other at their own game.

I thought the op was referring to the here & now, not the past.

Yes but El P wasnt and i wasnt answering the OP directly then

 

[Angliru]

It was a mistake I never said explicitly 2009 but just got carried a bit away but you cant just discard my argument because of a mistake or because i was too young to watch the 2009 classics!

Youtube is everyone's friend. You can at least get an idea of what transpired with their 10 minutes snippets of action. You may get lucky and find someone has pieced together an entire half hour of one race in 3 parts.

 

[Angliru]

Yes there is reasons why, starting with the fact that he was that way in the last 2 years so logically he should be that way this year!Also 2008 was 4 years ago when it is obvious that rather than just going freak, Cancellara has improved like riders tend to do as they go older, especially their later 20's.
Also 2008 was 2008 which was as I have said 4 years ago so the reason Cancellara isnt going to be at that level is becuase he has evidently porgressed since then, 2011 is much more recent as proof so why go looking at 2008?

Strange logic that you have. A rider can't always maintain the same level of dominance. Lack of form, illness, injury- all types of variable can occur to put a stop to a rider's good fortune. Look at Boonen. Who's to say that someone won't come along the way Cancellara did to Boonen and end his run?

 

[Angliru]

Why would Boonen be better too?confused:
It may be true what you say but from what Cancellara has shown so far this season i find it difficult to believe that his ability has receded.

Boonen had been suffering from a knee injury that had hampered his performances in addition to a bit of bad luck (last year's Roubaix). It's obvious based on his recent performances that Boonen is better than last year. Is he better than Cancellara? Who knows, maybe not but I don't think it can be argued that Boonen isn't having a much better season and exhibiting better form this year than last.

 

[Angliru]

He was trying to make a point about how they can beat each other at their own game.

Yes but El P wasnt and i wasnt answering the OP directly then

I can't imagine Cancellara outsprinting Boonen from a small group.

 

[Froome19]

I can't imagine Cancellara outsprinting Boonen from a small group.

I totally agree and I was tempted to point that out but some people have different opinions...
It is of course possible though incredibly unlikely when you consider that Vanmarke did it, i think the point is that in a small group it starts to become even more about tactics and endurance and less about speed.

Strange logic that you have. A rider can't always maintain the same level of dominance. Lack of form, illness, injury- all types of variable can occur to put a stop to a rider's good fortune. Look at Boonen. Who's to say that someone won't come along the way Cancellara did to Boonen and end his run?

Yes but the chances are greater in favor of Cancellara...
Think about it who would bet on finishing higher at Flanders, Devolder or Flecha (considering he is 100%)

 

[c&cfan]

I can't imagine Cancellara outsprinting Boonen from a small group.

watch last year's WRR, MSR, etc.

 

[karlboss]

watch last year's WRR, MSR, etc.

Are you pointing out that Cancellara has never outsprinted boonen?

 

[Panda Claws]

watch last year's WRR, MSR, etc.

Yeah, Cancellara is potentially very fast, but this is Boonen we are talking about.

 

[Angliru]

watch last year's WRR, MSR, etc.

Boonen finished 28th in MSR last year. At that position he wasn't really competing with anyone for a placement in the finish.