Boxing

[Dazed and Confused]

Money will win this "fight" easily if he even cares.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Tyson's fate was sealed when he fired the staff who forced him to remain disciplined -- the same team who made him the youngest heavyweight champ the world had ever seen -- and embraced a bunch of sycophants who were only there for the party. His decline already had begun when he KO'd Michael Spinks. Buster Douglas was merely the first fighter whose ascendancy intersected with the trajectory of Tyson's decline.

And on that topic, it has been reported that Floyd Mayweather has been seen this week at various strip clubs at all hours of the morning.

Speaking of Mayweather, he couldn't knock out Connor McGregor with a Stillsons wrench and three unimpeded swings. If he wins, it will have to be be on the scorecards. So the question becomes one of can he manage to spend 36 minutes evading McGregor's left. Because all McGregor will need to end the fight will be Mayweather's defences slipping, just once, just for the briefest of instants.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, he could cut Conner, and wear him out, into quitting on his school, or the ref or doc stopping it on cuts. I do envision Floyd able to repeatedly tag McGregor, time and again, easily, once McGregor's early rush is avoided and the fight settles in. Floyd will concentrate on defense up until then, and landing a few punches to keep McGregor honest. After that, easy as pie for Floyd. He will focus on not getting tagged, and repeatedly hitting McGregor, connecting with numerous shots, especially counter punches, time and time again. I do no not however see Floyd knocking Connor down and out, no. The only way that happens is if it's late, and McGregor is just exhausted and can't stand up anymore. That rarely happens, not at this weight class.

McGregor's only chance is to land more than one freakishly hard bombs early on, that's about it. No one has ever done it, or really come close with Floyd. No boxer, and it's far less likely to happen here than Douglas knocking Tyson out.

 

[May0maniac]

And Buster Douglas was still a dangerous legit Boxer, he had his flaws (chin, work ethic and stamina) but his jab was just great and he had a ton of power, he hurt Tucker in their fight (before running out of stamina and getting stopped while he was ahead on points), something that a prime Tyson wasn't able to do.
This fight on the other hand is just a frakshow fight for a ton of money.

 

[movingtarget]

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I think it's fair to say that it would be the biggest sporting upset of all time if McGregor wins, at least in the running with the likes of Leicester winning the Premiership. As much as I would love it to happen (not because I like McGregor, I just really dislike Mayweather) I just don't see how it could possibly happen if Mayweather has been even slightly serious in his preparation.

Or more like Buster Douglass beating Iron Mike Tyson in Tokyo....

Nah, that was massive, but Douglas was a World Champion boxer.

How was Douglass a World Champion boxer? He was a massive underdog before the fight, as much as Coner Mcgregor is now. Nobody thought he had a chance in hell, but he shocked the world with the biggest upset ever at the time.

Douglas was a good boxer but without discipline which is why he lasted one fight as champion. He didn't just beat Tyson, he beat him up. He was overweight when he defended the title. Like other boxers before him he had drug issues and couldn't handle the fame. Wasted talent. Douglas opened the door on how to fight Tyson. Tyson was never the same after that fight. The reason Douglas was such a big underdog before the Tyson fight had nothing to do with his talent just his work ethic and life issues. When he trained properly and was serious he was good.

 

[jmdirt]

I could still change my mind, but I'm not paying the $15-20 cover at the establishments that have the fight. Even the NASTY pool hall that I watch some UFC fights at has a $15 cover for this fight...most of the clientele probably only has $25 to their name at any given time. For RR vs. HH they only had a $2 cover with $2 off your first booze purchase.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

So boxing has come down to this...

Are you any of you guys actually paying to see this?

 

[movingtarget]

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So boxing has come down to this...

Are you any of you guys actually paying to see this?

Not a chance. I will wait for the You Tube video bombardment !

 

[Irondan]

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So boxing has come down to this...

Are you any of you guys actually paying to see this?

Not a chance. I will wait for the You Tube video bombardment !

Same here.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

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Well, he could cut Conner, and wear him out, into quitting on his school, or the ref or doc stopping it on cuts....

I think that's his only possibility for an early stoppage.

RE: Tyson/Douglas, you knew Tyson was vulnerable when he stepped on the scale. Every ounce he was over 216 was the residue of a day he'd been slacking in the gym, and he weighed in at 220.

 

[jmdirt]

YES, boxing is officially a joke! Byrd wasn't protecting CMc, he was protecting boxing. You can't stop a fight when a guy is still on his feet and has not been down yet! CMc was gassed and likely would have gone down without Byrd making himself the story. #fnjoke!!

"I thought it was an early stoppage." "Let me go down. let the man put me down." CMc

 

[Jspear]

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YES, boxing is officially a joke! Byrd wasn't protecting CMc, he was protecting boxing. You can't stop a fight when a guy is still on his feet and has not been down yet! CMc was gassed and likely would have gone down without Byrd making himself the story. #fnjoke!!

"I thought it was an early stoppage." "Let me go down. let the man put me down." CMc

Yeah, tis a shame...pretty sure Connor was just a few punches away from falling.

 

[kingjr]

I would have liked to see him go down, just for the symbolism, but let's be honest he was only going to get pummelled the last few rounds. Mayweather had a gameplan, executed it and went home. Another day at the office. Credit to McGregor, he did the best you could expect, but when he said after the match that it was close, I have to say no it wasn't, not remotely. It's like a decathlete competing in the 1500m, he can stay with the specialists a round, maybe cross the line in first place at the end of the first round, but after that he'll only be going backwards.

 

[movingtarget]

Sloppy performance by Mayweather. Hardly threw a punch in the first three rounds. The ring rust showed and he has slowed even more since his last fight. McGregor did better than I thought he would but he was basically arm punching from round 6 onward and he was worn down. Glad I didn't pay to watch it. Hope Floyd is finished this time for good.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Must give credit to McGregor, many didn't think he'd last more than a couple of rounds and yet he actually won at least 3 in my opinion. Mayweathers class showed eventually and he executed his game plan perfectly, Connor had nothing left by the 10th.

Would Mayweather last 10 rounds in the octagon with McGregor? I seriously doubt it.

 

[Irondan]

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Must give credit to McGregor, many didn't think he'd last more than a couple of rounds and yet he actually won at least 3 in my opinion. Mayweathers class showed eventually and he executed his game plan perfectly, Connor had nothing left by the 10th.

Would Mayweather last 10 rounds in the octagon with McGregor? I seriously doubt it.

First of all, we'll never find out. Mayweather's too (dare I say) smart*(1) for that. He'd never enter the Octogon because he knows he'd get dismembered starting with his head right down to his toes.

Second of all, McGregor's much too big, powerful and skilled in the Octagon for Mayweather.

Thirdly, Mayweather said this was his last fight.

1) "Smart" being a term that I chose to describe the fact that Mayweather can recognize danger when it's present and not an overall assessment of his intelligence. As opposed to the idiots that get hit by buses walking across the street because they either didn't see them or couldn't be bothered to look both ways.

 

[kingjr]

It would be ridiculous to ask that of Mayweather. McGregor has boxed as a teenager (been All Ireland boxing champion at a point) and he has always boxed as part of his training, whereas I'm not aware that Mayweather has ever done anything except boxing.

 

[Red Rick]

My guess it's way harder for an untrained MMA'er to hold his own than it is for an untrained boxer. It's not really comparable. Also isn't McGregor taller and heavier than Mayweather?

 

[Irondan]

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My guess it's way harder for an untrained MMA'er to hold his own than it is for an untrained boxer. It's not really comparable. Also isn't McGregor taller and heavier than Mayweather?

I watched the fight last night and you could really see the difference in size between the two fighters with McGregor being much bigger and longer than Mayweather. I think the size difference is a major factor in McGregors performance in the first three or four rounds. Without McG's size advantage, Floyd would have dominated from round one.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, Floyd found someone he could finally KO, and collect even more money in doing so. Whew!

 

[Irondan]

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Well, Floyd found someone he could finally KO, and collect even more money in doing so. Whew!

It was a TKO, which in my opinion is different than a straight up knockout. To me a knockout is defined by laying out on the canvas flat on your back (or in some other prone position) after being hit violently in the head. A TKO doesn't seem as violent but it's just as abrupt of an ending.

Mike Tyson used to knockout the lights, in stark contrast to Mayweathers "knockout" of Conar McGregor where the ref stopped the fight because McG stopped punching back for the last minute or so of the fight but still had his wits about himself but was so exhausted that he couldn't lift his arms and hit back.

In my opinion which is shared by many others, a KO and TKO are much different.

Conar McGregor was TKO'd.

 

[movingtarget]

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Well, Floyd found someone he could finally KO, and collect even more money in doing so. Whew!

It was a TKO, which in my opinion is different than a straight up knockout. To me a knockout is defined by laying out on the canvas flat on your back (or in some other prone position) after being hit violently in the head. A TKO doesn't seem as violent but it's just as abrupt of an ending.

Mike Tyson used to knockout the lights, in stark contrast to Mayweathers "knockout" of Conar McGregor where the ref stopped the fight because McG stopped punching back for the last minute or so of the fight but still had his wits about himself but was so exhausted that he couldn't lift his arms and hit back.

In my opinion which is shared by many others, a KO and TKO are much different.

Conar McGregor was TKO'd.

And if it continued he would have been KO'd or been damaged pointlessly. The fight was done as McGregor wasn't protecting himself and his legs were gone.

 

[John de Savage]

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It would be ridiculous to ask that of Mayweather. McGregor has boxed as a teenager (been All Ireland boxing champion at a point) and he has always boxed as part of his training, whereas I'm not aware that Mayweather has ever done anything except boxing.

McGregor never won any national boxing championship. He has no amateur record to speak of.

 

[kingjr]

His father must have made it up then

"I saw him box loads of times, but I think it was a natural progression for him to move on to mixed martial arts in the end even though he had been an All Ireland boxing champion as a kid."

http://severemma.com/2014/07/father-and-son-tony-mcgregor-on-his-sons-meteoric-rise/

 

[May0maniac]

So today the big CW tournament starts with Usyk vs Huck, Huck is past his prime and rather crude, so I pick Usyk to beat him. Overall CW is such an underrated division with many great fighters and the tournament could be great.
Today we also have two big super flyweight fights, the Chocolatito vs Wisaksil Wangek/Srisaket Sor Rungvisai rematch and Naoya Inoue vs Antonio Nieves. Inoue is a monster a maybe even better than Roman Gonzales, he only had 13 pro fights and already beat great fighters andd title holdders, but that's the japanese amateur system, their main focus is to produce great pros and not the best amateurs, their top fighters are usually ready to fight big names shortly after turning pro.