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""In 2007, the top 1 percent of all income earners in the United States made 23.5 percent of all income – more than the bottom 50 percent. Not enough! The percentage of income going to the top 1 percent nearly tripled since the mid-1970s. Not enough! Eighty percent of all new income earned from 1980 to 2005 has gone to the top 1 percent. Not enough! The top 1 percent now owns more wealth than the bottom 90 percent. Not enough! The Wall Street executives with their obscene compensation packages now earn more than they did before we bailed them out. Not enough! With the middle class collapsing and the rich getting much richer, the United States now has, by far, the most unequal distribution of income and wealth of any major country on earth. Not enough!"""

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=8932b7fe-16fa-4e71-b6a4-39a2d9ed621d
 
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redtreviso said:
You got a kit like that when you dress up for your Dana Rohrabacher shindigs?


Yeah, that's what I do. Get dressed up in Camo's and go to Dana Rohrabacher events.

Thanks for your contributions to the forum.
 
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redtreviso said:
""In 2007, the top 1 percent of all income earners in the United States made 23.5 percent of all income – more than the bottom 50 percent. Not enough! The percentage of income going to the top 1 percent nearly tripled since the mid-1970s. Not enough! Eighty percent of all new income earned from 1980 to 2005 has gone to the top 1 percent. Not enough! The top 1 percent now owns more wealth than the bottom 90 percent. Not enough! The Wall Street executives with their obscene compensation packages now earn more than they did before we bailed them out. Not enough! With the middle class collapsing and the rich getting much richer, the United States now has, by far, the most unequal distribution of income and wealth of any major country on earth. Not enough!"""

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=8932b7fe-16fa-4e71-b6a4-39a2d9ed621d

Since 1985 the top 5% have earned more money ($40 Trillion) than existed prior to 1980. They get middle class and lower middle class people to ensure they have a tax policy most favorable to them by funding Republican politicians who tout "socially conservative" issues knowing that they will then receive the benefit of the doubt when they enact economic policy that screws those same people in the a$$. They throw out the income tax as unfair based on income percentage, never putting forth the reality that the percentage of wealth almost EXACTLY MIRRORS the distribution of wealth. This type of wage inequity has historically caused a back-lash in the lower 95% because the fact is that that 5% maintain their wealth at the expense and on the backs of the lower 95% by paying for policy through the purchase of politicians (from both parties), who are required to enact watered down, dishonest policy to maintain their power. The wealthy have learned that political power is intoxicating, and that their money can gain that power for anyone they back. Just look at all of the "Contract with America" liars who touted term limits, and are still there, or were "term limited" by a vote instead of the legislation they promised. By the same measure, the Democrats jealousy guard the perpetuation of offices by never supporting term limits.

Then we have the Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court dominated by former corporate council. Now, funds can flow to candidates with no accounting of where the money is coming from. The Republicans would have you believe that labor unions are the biggest beneficiaries, but that is a blatant and damnable lie thrown around because their constituents are too ****ing stupid to know differently. The Democrats are marginally less corrupt, but the Republicans have cornered the market on voter manipulation through disinformation. All the while, we have protections for the poor and disenfranchised dropping by the wayside in favor of the golden cow of "profit motive." Decisions like Bell Atlantic v. Twombly have closed the courthouse door to regular people seeking to fight the excesses and abuses of corporate America.

Then you have people like Justice Thomas, who is a former Monsanto lawyer, refusing to recuse himself from a case that will give even greater power to Monsanto in pursuing protection of its genetically modified seeds. Did you know that if you are a small farmer, you are not allowed to buy seed and keep it for more than one season, and plant it the next. No, you will be sued by Monsanto for doing that. They force you to buy their seed every year. Did you know that if you are a farmer, and you happen to have a corn plant from a genetically modified patented seed that somehow got mixed up with your seed, or the seed was blown there, or got there by no intention of you, Monsanto will sue you (they have done it numerous times). They have bankrupted many small to medium sized farmers.

No, people like Scott believe in the benevolence of the "profit motive." Sorry, but I know better. I think for myself, and don't buy the bullsh!t put forth in the news. No, like I said, the idea of a "liberal bias" is laughable when you look at many of the stories that never make the news so that they can show you the latest Lohan tantrum, or which mean black man murdered someone. Sometimes it is hard not to look upon the greater part of our country's populace with disdain and contempt. I know many of them mean will, but their ignorance is destroying our nation because too many of them are looking for Obama's birth certificate, or using the laughably ignorant usage of the word "socialist" as popularized by the most insipid cesspool of "information" to the right, Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
 
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redtreviso said:
You're a great american

I've been looking all over for a clever retort from a uber successful left wing radio talk show personality. Bummer for me, there aren't any.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
I've been looking all over for a clever retort from a uber successful left wing radio talk show personality. Bummer for me, there aren't any.

uber?? like uber alles??? curb stomp language?

curbstomp.jpg
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Since 1985 the top 5% have earned more money ($40 Trillion) than existed prior to 1980. They get middle class and lower middle class people to ensure they have a tax policy most favorable to them by funding Republican politicians who tout "socially conservative" issues knowing that they will then receive the benefit of the doubt when they enact economic policy that screws those same people in the a$$. They throw out the income tax as unfair based on income percentage, never putting forth the reality that the percentage of wealth almost EXACTLY MIRRORS the distribution of wealth. This type of wage inequity has historically caused a back-lash in the lower 95% because the fact is that that 5% maintain their wealth at the expense and on the backs of the lower 95% by paying for policy through the purchase of politicians (from both parties), who are required to enact watered down, dishonest policy to maintain their power. The wealthy have learned that political power is intoxicating, and that their money can gain that power for anyone they back. Just look at all of the "Contract with America" liars who touted term limits, and are still there, or were "term limited" by a vote instead of the legislation they promised. By the same measure, the Democrats jealousy guard the perpetuation of offices by never supporting term limits.

Then we have the Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court dominated by former corporate council. Now, funds can flow to candidates with no accounting of where the money is coming from. The Republicans would have you believe that labor unions are the biggest beneficiaries, but that is a blatant and damnable lie thrown around because their constituents are too ****ing stupid to know differently. The Democrats are marginally less corrupt, but the Republicans have cornered the market on voter manipulation through disinformation. All the while, we have protections for the poor and disenfranchised dropping by the wayside in favor of the golden cow of "profit motive." Decisions like Bell Atlantic v. Twombly have closed the courthouse door to regular people seeking to fight the excesses and abuses of corporate America.

Then you have people like Justice Thomas, who is a former Monsanto lawyer, refusing to recuse himself from a case that will give even greater power to Monsanto in pursuing protection of its genetically modified seeds. Did you know that if you are a small farmer, you are not allowed to buy seed and keep it for more than one season, and plant it the next. No, you will be sued by Monsanto for doing that. They force you to buy their seed every year. Did you know that if you are a farmer, and you happen to have a corn plant from a genetically modified patented seed that somehow got mixed up with your seed, or the seed was blown there, or got there by no intention of you, Monsanto will sue you (they have done it numerous times). They have bankrupted many small to medium sized farmers.

No, people like Scott believe in the benevolence of the "profit motive." Sorry, but I know better. I think for myself, and don't buy the bullsh!t put forth in the news. No, like I said, the idea of a "liberal bias" is laughable when you look at many of the stories that never make the news so that they can show you the latest Lohan tantrum, or which mean black man murdered someone. Sometimes it is hard not to look upon the greater part of our country's populace with disdain and contempt. I know many of them mean will, but their ignorance is destroying our nation because too many of them are looking for Obama's birth certificate, or using the laughably ignorant usage of the word "socialist" as popularized by the most insipid cesspool of "information" to the right, Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.


I've been on this forum for a while and for the second time today I'm really surprised by such a bad post. This is way beneath you.

Sorry, take your frustrations out on someone else. You are better than this.
 
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redtreviso said:
uber?? like uber alles??? curb stomp language?

curbstomp.jpg

Yes Red. I'm the boogeyman you so desperately need.

Kind of the same line of reasoning that got you slapped for not being able to back up your BS from earlier.
 
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Now that I've been outed as some sort of 'cub stomping' white supremist I'm going to now bow out of this thread.

Redtreviso wants to kill the discussion and, for me, he has succeeded.

Red, you are a disgusting human being. I really mean that.
 
Dear Honorable Serra,

There's one question, which perhaps comes to mind from the ingenuousness of my 18 years, that I'd like to bring, with humility, to your attention. Given that the times of ideology are finished and given that so too are the ideals, what should we the young live for?

Ever since the ragging hearths of strenght and hope were extinguished by the violent force of the water of collective disillusionment and by the modern culture of the eternal present and of the most ephemeral pleasures, what has our life become, if not vulgar survival? If that which had historically been capable of rousing our consciences, incubate revolution, tear down walls has been tragically consumed, upon what should we establish our future?

I think of Falcone and Borsellino, who were murdered a few weeks before I was born. I stopped this kid on the street and asked him: what would you be disposed to die for?


A letter to Michele Serra in the Venerdì maggazine of the La Republica newspaper. Excuse me for the inelegance of the rather rapid execution of my translation.

Falcone and Borsellino were two heroic anti-mafia investigators. What response would you give this lad?

To me the greatest tragedy of this neoliberal capitalist world we live in, is that the base materialism and false sense of well-being it breeds has turned us into the most inert and disinterested society. A society which only seems to have its ire raised whenever it can't continue in this base materialism and false sense of well-being. And we are even willing to support the most grave poltical and economic actions against us, like the recent Wall Street debacle has demonstrated. If that's not totalitarian then I don't know what is.

Then I ask myself how many 18 year old Americans would have written such a letter, perhaps to Rush Limbaugh?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
I've been on this forum for a while and for the second time today I'm really surprised by such a bad post. This is way beneath you.

Sorry, take your frustrations out on someone else. You are better than this.

What's bad about it?
 
rhubroma said:
Dear Honorable Serra,

There's one question, which perhaps comes to mind from the ingenuousness of my 18 years, that I'd like to bring, with humility, to your attention. Given that the times of ideology are finished and given that so too are the ideals, what should we the young live for?

Ever since the ragging hearths of strenght and hope were extinguished by the violent force of the water of collective disillusionment and by the modern culture of the eternal present and of the most ephemeral pleasures, what has our life become, if not vulgar survival? If that which had historically been capable of rousing our consciences, incubate revolution, tear down walls has been tragically consumed, upon what should we establish our future?

I think of Falcone and Borsellino, who were murdered a few weeks before I was born. I stopped this kid on the street and asked him: what would you be disposed to die for?


A letter to Michele Serra in the Venerdì maggazine of the La Republica newspaper. Excuse me for the inelegance of the rather rapid execution of my translation.

Falcone and Borsellino were two heroic anti-mafia investigators. What response would you give this lad?

To me the greatest tragedy of this neoliberal capitalist world we live in, is that the base materialism and false sense of well-being it breeds has turned us into the most inert and disinterested society. A society which only seems to have its ire raised whenever it can't continue in this base materialism and false sense of well-being. And we are even willing to support the most grave poltical and economic actions against us, like the recent Wall Street debacle has demonstrated. If that's not totalitarian then I don't know what is.

Then I ask myself how many 18 year old Americans would have written such a letter, perhaps to Rush Limbaugh?

Giovani Falcone who you mention briefly, was a tremendous character, who should be treated like a hero around the world. Its not a hollywood invention. In minor situations we sometimes use the phrase "you think the whole world is against you".

Falcone really did find himself in a situation where the whole world was against him. His superiors did what they could to protect the mafia from him, and the mafia were not shy about telling him what his fate was.

He knew he was going to die, he knew he had no chance. And it wasnt pointless martyrdom either. The mafiosi he turned into informants, said they wouldnt have turned for anyone else. He convicted hundreds and smiled when they told him he was a dead man.

cineri gloria sera est.



They should be naming streets and buildings after this guy.

As for the letter, the mafia has, if nothing else, been able to produce some artistic moments, in Italy, though maybe thats just

Giovani Falcones motto was (taken from Shakespear) He who's afraid dies every day, he who's not afraid dies only once.

Most amazingly, there is a true story of a young mafioso, who was warned by a friend that he was about to get whacked, when the friend whistled a tune from 100m away. The young mafioso immediately recognised the tune, as any mafioso in italy would. He also, like every mafioso, knew the words which accompanied that particular opera line. The words were something poetic, full of metaphors, whose deeper meaning was that the character was being told he would die. The young mafioso, thought about the tune, the words, recognised that it was a warning, and dashed.

He escaped the assasination, thanks to a whistle from a long way away.

I still find something surprising, that in Italy, the thugs music of choice is opera, a very beautiful and complicated form of art, which i wouldnt associate with sociopaths, anywhere outside of italy.

Still, shouldnt romantisise them too much. This scum make John Gotti look like Teresa of Avila.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
I've been on this forum for a while and for the second time today I'm really surprised by such a bad post. This is way beneath you.

Sorry, take your frustrations out on someone else. You are better than this.

First, that post was not just about you. If fact, it was primarily about others.

Secondly, if I wrote anything that is untrue, please delineate so that I can rebut. Sorry that post is filled with facts that run counter to the narrative that profit motive, efficiency of the market and the like are freedom producing rather than a mechanism by which the wealthy subjugate the majority of the population, but that is reality. With enough of a counter by government to this abuse, we have a more fair and equitable society. Unfortunately, we are forgetting the lessons of the past that taught us that unchecked markets are exploitative and reduce liberty and freedom more than our government ever has for the great majority of the population. No, now we have a bunch of uneducated fundamentalists running around the country convincing people that if they just get government out of their lives, the benevolent force that is corporate America will ride in on white horses and save the day. The problem is that they don't really care about government being out of the lives of regular people, they care about minimizing and eliminating the very protections the government gives us from corporation's exploitative desires.

It isn't about you Scott.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Now that I've been outed as some sort of 'cub stomping' white supremist I'm going to now bow out of this thread.

Redtreviso wants to kill the discussion and, for me, he has succeeded.

Red, you are a disgusting human being. I really mean that.

If this is what you are accusing me of suggesting about you when you wrote that my post was the second bad post you read, I would suggest that you re-read my post. I didn't relate your position to that of a Nazi because doing that is stupid. I have told you before, I respect you and your opinion. I don't agree with it, and I do not believe that my post was reflective of your opinion as a whole, but only partially.

I apologize if you took my words as though I was speaking directly to you. I wasn't. I was expressing a more general frustration regarding much of the Tea Party and Republican rhetoric being spewed these days.
 
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First, that post was not just about you. If fact, it was primarily about others.

Secondly, if I wrote anything that is untrue, please delineate so that I can rebut. Sorry that post is filled with facts that run counter to the narrative that profit motive, efficiency of the market and the like are freedom producing rather than a mechanism by which the wealthy subjugate the majority of the population, but that is reality. With enough of a counter by government to this abuse, we have a more fair and equitable society. Unfortunately, we are forgetting the lessons of the past that taught us that unchecked markets are exploitative and reduce liberty and freedom more than our government ever has for the great majority of the population. No, now we have a bunch of uneducated fundamentalists running around the country convincing people that if they just get government out of their lives, the benevolent force that is corporate America will ride in on white horses and save the day. The problem is that they don't really care about government being out of the lives of regular people, they care about minimizing and eliminating the very protections the government gives us from corporation's exploitative desires.

It isn't about you Scott.

...I wouldn't fret dear sir, your post was dead on, and well written to boot...as for the injured party, methinks he likes kool-aid too much and would require something like a 12 step program to get off that stuff...but he would have to want to take the first step, but that is unlikely since he seems very happy wallowing in his own juices so to speak and I'd bet that that first step will never happen...so my advice, just walk away quietly....there are some battles not even worth being won and a protracted battle with the injured party is a prime example of such a scenario...

...carry on, you're doing good...real good...

Cheers

blutto
 
The Hitch said:
Giovani Falcone who you mention briefly, was a tremendous character, who should be treated like a hero around the world. Its not a hollywood invention. In minor situations we sometimes use the phrase "you think the whole world is against you".

Falcone really did find himself in a situation where the whole world was against him. His superiors did what they could to protect the mafia from him, and the mafia were not shy about telling him what his fate was.

He knew he was going to die, he knew he had no chance. And it wasnt pointless martyrdom either. The mafiosi he turned into informants, said they wouldnt have turned for anyone else. He convicted hundreds and smiled when they told him he was a dead man.

cineri gloria sera est.



They should be naming streets and buildings after this guy.

As for the letter, the mafia has, if nothing else, been able to produce some artistic moments, in Italy, though maybe thats just

Giovani Falcones motto was (taken from Shakespear) He who's afraid dies every day, he who's not afraid dies only once.

Most amazingly, there is a true story of a young mafioso, who was warned by a friend that he was about to get whacked, when the friend whistled a tune from 100m away. The young mafioso immediately recognised the tune, as any mafioso in italy would. He also, like every mafioso, knew the words which accompanied that particular opera line. The words were something poetic, full of metaphors, whose deeper meaning was that the character was being told he would die. The young mafioso, thought about the tune, the words, recognised that it was a warning, and dashed.

He escaped the assasination, thanks to a whistle from a long way away.

I still find something surprising, that in Italy, the thugs music of choice is opera, a very beautiful and complicated form of art, which i wouldnt associate with sociopaths, anywhere outside of italy.

Still, shouldnt romantisise them too much. This scum make John Gotti look like Teresa of Avila.

Yes, that about sums it up. And so too should Ferdinando Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti.
 
Thoughtforfood said:
First, that post was not just about you. If fact, it was primarily about others.

Secondly, if I wrote anything that is untrue, please delineate so that I can rebut. Sorry that post is filled with facts that run counter to the narrative that profit motive, efficiency of the market and the like are freedom producing rather than a mechanism by which the wealthy subjugate the majority of the population, but that is reality. With enough of a counter by government to this abuse, we have a more fair and equitable society. Unfortunately, we are forgetting the lessons of the past that taught us that unchecked markets are exploitative and reduce liberty and freedom more than our government ever has for the great majority of the population. No, now we have a bunch of uneducated fundamentalists running around the country convincing people that if they just get government out of their lives, the benevolent force that is corporate America will ride in on white horses and save the day. The problem is that they don't really care about government being out of the lives of regular people, they care about minimizing and eliminating the very protections the government gives us from corporation's exploitative desires.


It isn't about you Scott.


And this is the strikes at the core of the matter. Regan believed that if you let the capitalists go unchecked, then that will generate such wealth that even the poor will benefit by recieving the crumbs that fall from the table of the rich.

Apart from the fact that this is simply a base philosophy, which caters to the meanest instincts of man and in reality does no more than give free reign to his greed, it is also a colossal fallacy for all the reasons you have indicated.

For the crumbs haven't fallen and, to the contrary, as recently demonstrated by Wall Street, when the party of the rich is over the poor (which means all of us) get made to clean up the mess.

We would hope that in an enlightened democracy the politicians we vote for would be better than us, or at least appear to be so. Those who consequently would effect a policy, which encourages us to bring out the best and more noble sentiments of our beings, namely compassion for one's neighbor, social solidarity, etc. Instead the triumphant neoliberal capitalism that reigns over the world today achieves just the opposite and does so freely under the aegis of government.

But I know this is too much for people like Scott SoCal, who undoubtedly I will have roused his ire by stating it baldly, and to those like himself merely smacks of vapid moralism. The real problem, as I see it, is making them see that it isn't vapid moralism, but simply a civil and enlightened way of behaving that could possibly be the only remedy to save this condemned and condemnable world form certain doom. In this sense American democracy under the neoliberal capitalist regime has bred egoism, incivility and baseness in the fullest.
 
This should have gone in the general politics thread, but since that one's not up I'm constrained to put it here.



What would Republican Jesus Do? (Large Poster) Sorry but I'm not capable of posting this outrageous image here, but here's the link: http://www.cafepress.com/strk3/1833274

This image accompanied an article in today's la Repubblica newspaper about how Christian fundamentalism among certain American evangelical protestant religions has penetrated into the very upper leadership of US politics and the military, and specifically in connection with a secret religious organization in Washington called "The Fellowship". Now I have no intention of bringing up an old argument; so please don't see this as a provocation TFF. Seriously. I merely desire to bring this to the attention of those on this forum, in regards to the serious matter I had brought up about the role religion plays in US politics and the military. Other than an "atheists agenda," again pardon me if anyone should feel provoked. The article by Italian journalist and New York correspondent for la Repubblica, Frederico Rampini, undeniably demonstrates how religion, when used inappropriately (and unfortunately this is not an isolated historical case), causes a public disaster and represents a type of obscurantism that the Enlightenment philosophies, which were ironically at the basis of the US democracy, fought bitterly to extirpate from human civilization through reason.

There is a photo in the article of the founder of The Fellowship in the 30's, Abraham Vereide, with republican president Eisenhower in 1953. After the war Vereide, helped by TV-evangelist Billy Graham, was able to create the "National Prayer Breakfast" association among whose adherents was Henry Ford, but also republican presidents Gerald Ford (who, according to the New York Times, once held such a morning prayer session at the White House to decide upon forgiving Nixon), Ronald Regan and George W. Bush. The article talks about The Fellowship, which has its office headquarters on 133 C Street in Washington, in terms of having a strong right-wing imprint, though it includes both republicans and democrats (its morning prayer sessions have even been frequented by Hillary Clinton for example). The proselitation of the group has permeated the US armed forces and has heavily influenced David Petraeus, commanding chief of the military in Afghanistan. The article references a book by New York Times reporter, Jeff Sharlet, the only "infiltrator" of the sect called C Street (Little Brown and Company). The details brought to light in Sharlet's investigation are stupifying, surpassing the most paranoid of "conspiracy theories."

The New York times reporter was able to penetrate into a fundamentalist Christian community called Ivanwald in the Washington suburbs. Participating in their "spiritual exercises," Sharlet dicovers that behind the scenes of Ivanwald is another organization the adepts of which call "The Family". Ivanwald is merely one of many satellite centers that serve to select new recruits to be inserted into the "most secret structure of US conservative politics." Only the best, channeled through a political career, get to enter the headquarters on C Street. The Fellowship "helps them better understand the message of Christ, so that they can apply it to their work." At the hostel owned by the group reside members during their sessions in Congress and the Senate, like the republican senators Tom Coburn and Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma.

Sharlet states that these guys believe they are on a "divine mission" and go into competition with themselves to see who can surpass the others in the extreme right-wing US political spectrum. Coburn proposed the death penalty for medics who practice abortion. Inhofe defended the torturers of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. At the C Street headquarters the group members hold seminars to prepare legislation in the energy field, Congressional voting, on foreign policy and intends to play a decisive role in the "conflict of civilizations" and thus the West's struggle against Islam. The most reactionary and conservative Supreme Court judge, Clarence Thomas, is also a Fellowship member (the full name of which is: Jesus Over You Christian Fellowship). Yet, so too, is the democratic deputy of Michigan, Bart Stupak, famous for having kept Congress a hostage to Barack Obama's health care reform, unless it included the amendment that prohibited the federal government's financing of hospitals that practice abortion.

The group has strong affiliations with the Tea Party and behaves like a secret society a là Opus Dei (without recognizing any central religious authority) and the Masonic Temples. In the club is also the republican senator from South Carolina, Jime De Mint, who was quoted as stating that "the Bible has taught us that we can't both serve God and the State." There is also a twin sister organization in the very US army called "Officers' Christian Fellowship," the goal of which according to Lieutenant colonel D!ck Kail is to "conquer for Jesus Christ a place inside the armed forces." The military organization has a handbook manual called "Under Orders: A Spiritual Handbook for Military Personnel." Back in 1975 Playboy had published an article about The Fellowship, regarding the organization as a shadow-bank that arrogated loans to high-up US government members and within the military to finance the global arms trade. The article stated that The Fellowship had also flourished behind certain "foreign brothers" like the dictator Suharto in Indonesia, Ferdinando Marcos in the Philippines and the anti-gay laws of Uganda. Yet nobody till now has put the pieces of the mosaic together as Sharlet's investigative work has.

Here are some of the other precepts of the Fellowship:

In regards to the so called Kingdom: "Jesus has taught us that we have to put the New Kingdom above even our own mother and brother. And it is what Hitler, Lenin and Mao taught the youth." Thus Fellowship leader Doug Coe cites these men as role models (how bizarre!).

In regards to relationships: "We work not to wake-up the masses, but through private business, political and military relationships, with the kings and leaders of this world."

In regards to morals: "Even Kind David was a sinner, though he was also an elected one of the Lord. The will of God goes beyond all morals."

In regards to rules: "The first rule of C Street is that you never talk about C Street."

Their motto: "Jesus over you."

If this weren't entirely true it would merely be laughable. Unfortunately it is not. This religious fundamentalism within the US body politic and military is of course disgusting and abhorrent. The US army under such direction has become the world's largest international terrorist organization, "terrorist organization" underlined, with a capacity to kill and destroy that no petty Islamisists could ever even dream of, and is moreover under the aegis of the federal government. It is pure religious obscurantism and fascism at work within the US power structure. This demands to be denounced vehemently in the name of reason and enlightenment. This is a scary and slippery slope that America has found itself on. Such behavior is no better, indeed simply the mirror image of, the appalling Islamic fundamentalist political regimes and terrorist networks that represent the enemies of so called Western freedom and democracy in the so called "conflict of civilizations."

This along with the Nation's neoliberal capitalist regime has made the American democracy the promoters of selfish egoism, incivility and baseness in the fullest. I have lost my belief in miracles but people of America wake up!
 
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rhubroma said:
Now I have no intention of bringing up an old argument; so please don't see this as a provocation TFF. Seriously. I merely desire to bring this to the attention of those on this forum, in regards to the serious matter I had brought up about the role religion plays in US politics and the military.

Actually, I might buy the tee shirt because it directly reflects the conflict I have with the majority of Christians in the U.S. People who suggest that they are killing in the name of Jesus don't read the same thing in the words of Christ that I do. That is why I am so fond of the Jeffersonian Bible. When you extract just the words of Christ, ideas like the ones promoted by "The Family" have no basis. Christ was revolutionary not just in his message of grace (another concept most in my religion appear to completely misunderstand), but also in terms of society. In fact, the only recorded time (I recognize it is a fictional account to you, and I am fine with that because the message is my focal point) he lost his temper was with the money exchangers in the temple. I think the usage of his name to further conservative economic policy is just as abhorrent. You get no gripe from me over the posting.