British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars including Br

[thehog]

Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin

The Sydney Games were much the same. One only now needs to see the total implosion of the swim team to see what occurs when you can dope unabated.

 

[kwikki]

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The Sydney Games were much the same. One only now needs to see the total implosion of the swim team to see what occurs when you can dope unabated.

Ah, but the Australian Head Swimming coach has the answer....

...ban the Russians completely from the Rio Games

(I wanted to put a smiley, but didn't in case you think I'm joking)

And it's only been what, 2 years since thd Australian Crime Commission published a report saying drug use was rife in Australian sport

 

[wrinklyvet]

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Ross Tucker has been busy, I see http://europe.newsweek.com/dr-mark-bonar-british-doping-scandal-448163?rm=eu

 

[kwikki]

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Ross Tucker has been busy, I see http://europe.newsweek.com/dr-mark-bonar-british-doping-scandal-448163?rm=eu

A pretty good summary, I'd say.

 

[thehog]

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Ross Tucker has been busy, I see http://europe.newsweek.com/dr-mark-bonar-british-doping-scandal-448163?rm=eu

It's a good article. The part missing is about the whistleblower; almost always they are a former doper themselves, that brings its own scurity whether they are reliable. The case with the IAAF and with Stevens there is a push by authorities to call them "dubious" claims. Cookson was guilty of his just as much as Coe.

 

[kwikki]

That is a fair observation. What was it Coe said about the doping allegations? "A declaration of war".

Likewise, Cookson hasn't come out of this at all well. As ex-head of British Cycling, let alone current UCI president he should be taking a lead in this, and I don't see that it matters that Stevens was an amateur.

I think Stevens is a ***, but I believe him. I think the same about Landis. That is fine coming from me, some bored guy on an Internet forum, but the leaders of sporting bodies should not be dismissive nor incredulous of whistleblowers when at the same time they have been elected precisely to clean up this issue.

 

[thehog]

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That is a fair observation. What was it Coe said about the doping allegations? "A declaration of war".

Likewise, Cookson hasn't come out of this at all well. As ex-head of British Cycling, let alone current UCI president he should be taking a lead in this, and I don't see that it matters that Stevens was an amateur.

I think Stevens is a ****, but I believe him. I think the same about Landis. That is fine coming from me, some bored guy on an Internet forum, but the leaders of sporting bodies should not be dismissive nor incredulous of whistleblowers when at the same time they have been elected precisely to clean up this issue.

People's opinion of Stevens or Landis are irrelevant. The facts are the most important. The most worrying part is Cookson just doesn't care similarly to McQuaid.

Not much has changed on that front.

 

[kwikki]

My opinion of Steven's doesn't matter but Cookson's does.

 

[thehog]

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My opinion of Steven's doesn't matter but Cookson's does.

Well more to the point, Cookson shouldn't have an opinion. If UKAD was effectively policing the sport then Cookson wouldn't need to get involved. The "Tour de France Cyclist" doping with Bonar would be referred to the CADF and dealt with.

Clearly Cookson doesn't want the matter going any further.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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My opinion of Steven's doesn't matter but Cookson's does.

Well more to the point, Cookson shouldn't have an opinion. If UKAD was effectively policing the sport then Cookson wouldn't need to get involved. The "Tour de France Cyclist" doping with Bonar would be referred to the CADF and dealt with.

Clearly Cookson doesn't want the matter going any further.

Yes, I see what you assume, but if the cyclist in question (assuming Bonar actually had one among his "clients") has not been identified publicly, to UKAD, to the Sunday Times (though they aren't telling anyway) or to anyone, what is the procedure for referring him to the CADF?

 

[thehog]

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My opinion of Steven's doesn't matter but Cookson's does.

Well more to the point, Cookson shouldn't have an opinion. If UKAD was effectively policing the sport then Cookson wouldn't need to get involved. The "Tour de France Cyclist" doping with Bonar would be referred to the CADF and dealt with.

Clearly Cookson doesn't want the matter going any further.

Yes, I see what you assume, but if the cyclist in question (assuming Bonar actually had one among his "clients") has not been identified publicly, to UKAD, to the Sunday Times (though they aren't telling anyway) or to anyone, what is the procedure for referring him to the CADF?

Cookson has now learnt about the claims, what was his response?

“The story concerns me if it proves out to be true. The UCI is at the forefront of anti-doping. I have asked the CADF to reach out to the Sunday Times to check if they are willing to share the information on the riders names and the types of drugs used. If they are we will look into the information. We will also speak with Dan Stevens again to verify if he has further information other than the CIRC to provide us with”

Nah?!? What do we get from Cookson?

“Highly dubious claims” (followed by the sound of door closing shut and locked).

 

[wrinklyvet]

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My opinion of Steven's doesn't matter but Cookson's does.

Well more to the point, Cookson shouldn't have an opinion. If UKAD was effectively policing the sport then Cookson wouldn't need to get involved. The "Tour de France Cyclist" doping with Bonar would be referred to the CADF and dealt with.

Clearly Cookson doesn't want the matter going any further.

Yes, I see what you assume, but if the cyclist in question (assuming Bonar actually had one among his "clients") has not been identified publicly, to UKAD, to the Sunday Times (though they aren't telling anyway) or to anyone, what is the procedure for referring him to the CADF?

Cookson has now learnt about the claims, what was his response?

“The story concerns me if it proves out to be true. The UCI is at the forefront of anti-doping. I have asked the CADF to reach out to the Sunday Times to check if they are willing to share the information on the riders names and the types of drugs used. If they are we will look into the information. We will also speak with Dan Stevens again to verify if he has further information other than the CIRC to provide us with”

Nah?!? What do we get from Cookson?

“Highly dubious claims” (followed by the sound of door closing shut and locked).

Obviously you can't help with the point I put to you, which makes your previous claim a bit of a classic overstatement.

For the record, this is what Cookson is reported to have said, "“I saw that article,” Cookson confirmed to CyclingTips prior to the start of the Ronde Van Vlaanderen [Tour of Flanders] on Sunday morning. “It looks to me highly dubious set of claims from this doctor, who I believe is under some sort of disciplinary hearing from the general medical council himself. I don’t know anything other than what I saw on the internet this morning.”

All of it was fair and true. Whether it is right to condemn him for inaccuracy or incompleteness is a reasonable question, given that he only just heard the claims and was commenting off the cuff at an event. It's easy to invent what anyone might have said, including Cookson on this occasion. Some have condemned him on the basis of that quote but I think it shows he is not the same sort of political animal as his predecessor. I don't prefer the old regime but you are welcome to do so.

 

[kwikki]

I agree with Cookson's view that the doctor's claims look dubious (not least because the doctor was showing off to a 3rd Cat cyclist) but thehog is absolutely correct in his view of what Cookson should have said. I don't think anybody can dispute this.

I don't think anybody should be making excuses for Cookson. He came in on a clean up ticket, but now he sounds like McQuaid. His honeymoon period is over, and with this stink right on his doorstep of he really intends to do anything he wouldn't be making these comments.

 

[thehog]

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Exactly. The sound of the door closing and locked. Cookson has no interest nor does the supposed independent CADF.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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I agree with Cookson's view that the doctor's claims look dubious (not least because the doctor was showing off to a 3rd Cat cyclist) but thehog is absolutely correct in his view of what Cookson should have said. I don't think anybody can dispute this.

Fair enough if you think he should think on his feet so quickly. Some of those sentiments would have been fine, though I think they over-play the powers of the UCI president.

I also believe that at the time, the question of whether the Sunday Times had names was not reported, at least to anyone without a Sunday Times subscription. The name of the whistleblower was not reported either. So thehog would have been a damned fine speechwriter to have written it in those terms for Cookson at the time.

 

[kwikki]

Cookson could have made a place holding comment.
He didn't. His instinct was to devalue the claims.

I was pleased when Cookson won the presidency, but now he looks like a lame duck (and that is the most generous scenario)

If there is a problem, and the system is preventing an effective attack on the problem (gmc vs ukad jurisdiction) then you shout very loudly about it. You don't just roll over.

 

[thehog]

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I agree with Cookson's view that the doctor's claims look dubious (not least because the doctor was showing off to a 3rd Cat cyclist) but thehog is absolutely correct in his view of what Cookson should have said. I don't think anybody can dispute this.

Fair enough if you think he should think on his feet so quickly. Some of those sentiments would have been fine, though I think they over-play the powers of the UCI president.

I also believe that at the time, the question of whether the Sunday Times had names was not reported, at least to anyone without a Sunday Times subscription. The name of the whistleblower was not reported either. So thehog would have been a damned fine speechwriter to have written it in those terms for Cookson at the time.

Cookson was already aware of Stevens via the CIRC report. To pretend he didn't know is dishonest by Cookson.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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I agree with Cookson's view that the doctor's claims look dubious (not least because the doctor was showing off to a 3rd Cat cyclist) but thehog is absolutely correct in his view of what Cookson should have said. I don't think anybody can dispute this.

Fair enough if you think he should think on his feet so quickly. Some of those sentiments would have been fine, though I think they over-play the powers of the UCI president.

I also believe that at the time, the question of whether the Sunday Times had names was not reported, at least to anyone without a Sunday Times subscription. The name of the whistleblower was not reported either. So thehog would have been a damned fine speechwriter to have written it in those terms for Cookson at the time.

Cookson was already aware of Stevens via the CIRC report. To pretend he didn't know is dishonest by Cookson.

What did he already know?

 

[Nick C.]

I forgot about this. I skimmed the above posts, but couldn't tell whether any action is being taken.

 

[kwikki]

An "independent" review of UKAD commissioned by....err.....guess who.

 

[thehog]

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I forgot about this. I skimmed the above posts, but couldn't tell whether any action is being taken.

Supposedly there is to be an government inquiry.... I guess we'll see where that goes (sound of rubbish hitting the side of a waste paper basket).

 

[kwikki]

Take a look at @ZenGrifter's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ZenGrifter/status/722688911991025665?s=09

 

[kwikki]

Any news? I've been off for a month and unable to post which took away the impetus for doing my own research.

 

[thehog]

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So I guess now he's not a discredited Doctor? Just a doctor who provided EPO to a British Tour de France rider.

Doctor cleared of failing to tell cancer patient her condition was terminal

 

[thehog]

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So I guess now he's not a discredited Doctor? Just a doctor who provided EPO to a British Tour de France rider.

Doctor cleared of failing to tell cancer patient her condition was terminal

A doctor at the centre of sports doping allegations has been cleared of failing to tell a cancer patient her condition was terminal.

Dr Mark Bonar maintained he was fulfilling the woman’s wish to “hold on to as many days as she could in this world” as he administered an unconventional nutritional treatment.

Link to the story: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/24/doctor-cleared-of-failing-to-tell-cancer-patient-her-condition-was-terminal


Maybe he is telling the truth about the British Tour de France rider?