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Agreed. After watching the video. He has terrible taste in suits. What a dweeb ...
zlev11 said:
Agreed. After watching the video. He has terrible taste in suits. What a dweeb ...
Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin
It's no laughing matter. The headline "British cyclists implicated in doping scandal" just caused a rush of blood for a lot of clinic posters.
chuckmicD said:
It's no laughing matter. The headline "British cyclists implicated in doping scandal" just caused a rush of blood for a lot of clinic posters.
Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin
Indeed! Clinicians of the world, unite! And don't forget your pitchforks!
Savant12 said:
Indeed! Clinicians of the world, unite! And don't forget your pitchforks!
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Daily Mail June 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2664590/Doctor-doubles-curry-house-waiter-moonlighting-GPs-busy-The-REAL-reason-wait-weeks-GP-highly-lucrative-private-jobs.html
Dr Mark Bonar splits his time between an NHS surgery and at his Ultra Wellness Clinic in Harley Street, which charges £150 for a 15-minute appointment. He said he was ‘forced’ into the private work after his NHS hours were reduced because of financial cuts.
December 2015
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3354179/Harley-Street-doctor-kept-patient-dark-terminal-cancer.html
A Harley Street specialist kept a dying patient in the dark about her terminal cancer so he could continue charging her for 'unconventional' nutrition treatment, it has been claimed.
Dr Mark Bonar should have allowed the woman to undergo end-of-life care but instead gave her a false hope of recovery by offering a form of potentially dangerous intravenous feeding, a hearing heard.
The 38-year-old, who reportedly charges private patients £150 for a 15-minute appointment, also allegedly told the American woman she could not receive emergency NHS treatment as she was not a British citizen.
It was only when nurses realised her situation was critical that she got treatment. She died two months later aged 46.
Dr Bonar and fellow treating medic Dr Siegfried Trefzer, 58, have denied a string of misconduct allegations at a hearing in Manchester.
(Is this alledged systematic doping treatment of atheles just BS from the doctor to get a client? Though he's had one, at least, sportsperson. A clinic on Harley Street is not cheap and money seems very important to him ... )
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2664590/Doctor-doubles-curry-house-waiter-moonlighting-GPs-busy-The-REAL-reason-wait-weeks-GP-highly-lucrative-private-jobs.html
Dr Mark Bonar splits his time between an NHS surgery and at his Ultra Wellness Clinic in Harley Street, which charges £150 for a 15-minute appointment. He said he was ‘forced’ into the private work after his NHS hours were reduced because of financial cuts.
December 2015
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3354179/Harley-Street-doctor-kept-patient-dark-terminal-cancer.html
A Harley Street specialist kept a dying patient in the dark about her terminal cancer so he could continue charging her for 'unconventional' nutrition treatment, it has been claimed.
Dr Mark Bonar should have allowed the woman to undergo end-of-life care but instead gave her a false hope of recovery by offering a form of potentially dangerous intravenous feeding, a hearing heard.
The 38-year-old, who reportedly charges private patients £150 for a 15-minute appointment, also allegedly told the American woman she could not receive emergency NHS treatment as she was not a British citizen.
It was only when nurses realised her situation was critical that she got treatment. She died two months later aged 46.
Dr Bonar and fellow treating medic Dr Siegfried Trefzer, 58, have denied a string of misconduct allegations at a hearing in Manchester.
(Is this alledged systematic doping treatment of atheles just BS from the doctor to get a client? Though he's had one, at least, sportsperson. A clinic on Harley Street is not cheap and money seems very important to him ... )
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the Brits have their own Fuentes/Ferrari now?Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin
The GMC has some strict rules regarding confidentiality, without a court order it would be very difficult.
JRanton said:
The GMC has some strict rules regarding confidentiality, without a court order it would be very difficult.
Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin
This could be related to the referendum i.e. look we are no better than Johnny Foreigner as in a cheap way of making Brits look bad for a week or two to undermine national confidence.
This could be related to the referendum i.e. look we are no better than Johnny Foreigner as in a cheap way of making Brits look bad for a week or two to undermine national confidence.
Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin
From what I can gather the Sunday Times has the names of at least some of the 150 sportsmen and women on tape and the reason they've mentioned British Tour de France cyclists is because at least one of them was directly named by Dr Bonar (what a name btw!). I think it's pretty likely that at least one of the cyclists mentioned in this Doctor's sales pitch is a big fish because frankly you're not going to boast about having Charlie Wegelius as one of your top clients.
And when we're talking big fish we can pretty much nail it down to three names - Cavendish, Wiggins and Froome. Froome appears to be the most unlikely by far of the three of them to have been named by this doctor due to the location of Bonar's clinic. Wiggins and Cavendish have of course always predominantly been based in the UK. Cavendish just outside London and Wiggins in Cheshire (I believe). Of course if the guy is just blatantly bullshitting, which is still an extremely strong possibility judging by this guy's character - his twitter has links to some truly bizarre conspiracy stories - then it's more likely that he'd have named Froome.
I could be wrong and he might only have made a generic reference to British Tour de France cyclists or have been prompted to name the cyclists by the undercover athlete/reporter (which would bring the small fish into play as possibly being named) but to me that description of 'British Tour de France cyclists' is more likely to have been used by the newspaper to hide the individuals identities until further investigation has taken place.
MatParker117 said:
From what I can gather the Sunday Times has the names of at least some of the 150 sportsmen and women on tape and the reason they've mentioned British Tour de France cyclists is because at least one of them was directly named by Dr Bonar (what a name btw!). I think it's pretty likely that at least one of the cyclists mentioned in this Doctor's sales pitch is a big fish because frankly you're not going to boast about having Charlie Wegelius as one of your top clients.
And when we're talking big fish we can pretty much nail it down to three names - Cavendish, Wiggins and Froome. Froome appears to be the most unlikely by far of the three of them to have been named by this doctor due to the location of Bonar's clinic. Wiggins and Cavendish have of course always predominantly been based in the UK. Cavendish just outside London and Wiggins in Cheshire (I believe). Of course if the guy is just blatantly bullshitting, which is still an extremely strong possibility judging by this guy's character - his twitter has links to some truly bizarre conspiracy stories - then it's more likely that he'd have named Froome.
I could be wrong and he might only have made a generic reference to British Tour de France cyclists or have been prompted to name the cyclists by the undercover athlete/reporter (which would bring the small fish into play as possibly being named) but to me that description of 'British Tour de France cyclists' is more likely to have been used by the newspaper to hide the individuals identities until further investigation has taken place.
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I think some patience is warranted. It's not only the Sunday Times that's been involved in the investigation and libel laws are far less stringent than in the UK elsewhere on the continent.
dacooley said:
I think some patience is warranted. It's not only the Sunday Times that's been involved in the investigation and libel laws are far less stringent than in the UK elsewhere on the continent.
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Yeah, it's possible we're just thinking a bit too cycling centric but I'd really like to see a list of British sportsmen who were sanctioned by UKAD in 2014. I don't believe it would be a particularly long list, especially when you look at that list of the current number of sportsmen who are on the banned list as of today, so Tiernan-Locke is definitely a possibility. And I think we'd all agree that a 12 month course of EPO is exactly what JTL would have been on prior to joining Sky!
LaFlorecita said:
Yeah, it's possible we're just thinking a bit too cycling centric but I'd really like to see a list of British sportsmen who were sanctioned by UKAD in 2014. I don't believe it would be a particularly long list, especially when you look at that list of the current number of sportsmen who are on the banned list as of today, so Tiernan-Locke is definitely a possibility. And I think we'd all agree that a 12 month course of EPO is exactly what JTL would have been on prior to joining Sky!
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I'm not convinced Sky are running a systematic doping program on the scale of US Postal; I wouldn't be entirely surprised if a lot of riders, especially younger/less good riders, are left to their own devices when it comes to arranging PEDs.
On reliability: the Sunday Times is a joke of a newspaper, these days, but their investigative journalism remains good. I'd be surprised if this guy wasn't genuine, at least in general, given the strict libel laws in this country. And if he really is a Harley Street specialist (I refuse to click on Daily Mail links, but that's the headline) than he's a very different kettle of fish to, say, the Florida anti-aging clinics implicated in the Rodriguez and Manning cases. He's a prestigious doctor with fees to match. Yes, he's a fad 'alternative' bullshitter, but he's one who caters to those with more money than sense; given Sky's known allegiance to fads and pseudo-science, this is a guy whose involvement in doping them - individually, at least - wouldn't surprise me in the least. This guy seems to me to be of the same mould as Steve Peters and so on, the upper-middle-class pseudo-intellectuals (a class that happen to be Rapha's target market...) Just look at all the business bollocks Brailsfotd spouts at every turn.
zlev11 said:
I'm not convinced Sky are running a systematic doping program on the scale of US Postal; I wouldn't be entirely surprised if a lot of riders, especially younger/less good riders, are left to their own devices when it comes to arranging PEDs.
On reliability: the Sunday Times is a joke of a newspaper, these days, but their investigative journalism remains good. I'd be surprised if this guy wasn't genuine, at least in general, given the strict libel laws in this country. And if he really is a Harley Street specialist (I refuse to click on Daily Mail links, but that's the headline) than he's a very different kettle of fish to, say, the Florida anti-aging clinics implicated in the Rodriguez and Manning cases. He's a prestigious doctor with fees to match. Yes, he's a fad 'alternative' bullshitter, but he's one who caters to those with more money than sense; given Sky's known allegiance to fads and pseudo-science, this is a guy whose involvement in doping them - individually, at least - wouldn't surprise me in the least. This guy seems to me to be of the same mould as Steve Peters and so on, the upper-middle-class pseudo-intellectuals (a class that happen to be Rapha's target market...) Just look at all the business bollocks Brailsfotd spouts at every turn.
so, UKAD complicit in wide scale UK doping. Real shocker.
Next up: Santaclaus isn't real after all.
On twitter, Ufe (Oufeh) hits nail on head when he asks why USADA can investigate and ban far-away Spanish, Italian and even Belgian doctors, whilst UKAD allegedly can't go after their own.
Next up: Santaclaus isn't real after all.
On twitter, Ufe (Oufeh) hits nail on head when he asks why USADA can investigate and ban far-away Spanish, Italian and even Belgian doctors, whilst UKAD allegedly can't go after their own.
Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin
If that is the cas then unless the Sunday times has access to his patient records then they can't name name's, because if this guy's character is that unreliable any barrister worth there salt will rip the whole thing to shreds.
JRanton said:
If that is the cas then unless the Sunday times has access to his patient records then they can't name name's, because if this guy's character is that unreliable any barrister worth there salt will rip the whole thing to shreds.
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They can't in this case the guy is not licenced by a sporting authority by law they can't touch him.sniper said:
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they could investigate.
the sports federations could then impose bans on athletes using the doctor.
ultraweak.MatParker117 said:
they could investigate.
the sports federations could then impose bans on athletes using the doctor.
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They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.
sniper said:
They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.
well explain this then:
https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/716548845405151232
UKAD complicit in widescale doping cover up, i can't make anything else out of it.
https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/716548845405151232
UKAD complicit in widescale doping cover up, i can't make anything else out of it.
3 football journalists on sky sports talk show now: the first has gone on for two minutes about his character without yet addressing the issue. Surprisingly, one of them admits football should take more care testing. Pointing out that he didn't offer masking agents, which is interesting; how did our cyclist not test positive? Suggests figures probably exaggerated, which is probably true given this is a sales pitch. Second journalist also admits PEDs in football, but suggests that team sports don't attract the same level of doping, which is somewhat bizarre. Third journalist reminds us football doesn't have whereabouts, which is stupid. Presenter says he's never heard any rumours; journalist 1 says that PEDs are used heavily for recovery, with a mentality of using as much medicine as possible. Suggests it's individuals doping, not club doping (Fuentes? Barcelona?). Uses the 'rogue doctor' argument, which has worked well for Murdoch enterprises in the past. States 'clubs are on top of it' - really? Says betting is a more important problem than PEDs
Overall, more interesting and open discussion than I expected from sky sports 1, but all the honesty rather fell apart towards the end.
Overall, more interesting and open discussion than I expected from sky sports 1, but all the honesty rather fell apart towards the end.
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Not so sure that the whistleblower is JTL anymore. It's been confirmed that the undercover athlete "had previously attracted interest from UKAD testers taking testosterone, human growth hormone and EPO". However, he also mentioned that he would be tested for the Olympics in April, and JTL would not be in the frame for Olympic selection
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