British Identity

[Andy99]

unbelieveable..... The hand that feeds it.....so the years that revenue from Scottish Oil underpinned the UK economy, want to give that back first as well?? The flat no when Salmond explored the crown estates revenues for Scottish waters tells you all you need to know about that.

A lot of these comments border on racist Mr and Mrs Mods, threads and posts have been pulled for less.

You won't be minding the proposed scrapping of the Barnett formula then?

Again, apologies for posting this tripe - this thread REALLY doesn't belong here....

 

[Siriuscat]

Any references?

You can blame this man for everything.

No you can blame this woman, if it hadn't been for what she did devolution and independance would still be a pipe dream of the few headcases that proliferate the SNP. Her actions did more for Scottish Nationalism than William Wallace, Robert the Bruce and Alex Salmond have done put together.

 

[Siriuscat]

You won't be minding the proposed scrapping of the Barnett formula then?

Again, apologies for posting this tripe - this thread REALLY doesn't belong here....

You're right it is the wrong place for this stuff.

I don't know enough about the formula to comment.

Think on though, if they get rid of Scotland, who's next, Wales, Ulster, Liverpool, Newcastle, Yorkshire...????

Whats the old saying...England stops at Watford Gap, west of Reading is Ireland and everywhere south of the M25 is France.......

 

[Sneekes]

Is Scotlands independence a matter for Scots, only or all of Britain?. Keeping a cycling theme should Scots be allowed to train in Manchester Velodrome if it becomes a new independent country??? It's funny how the vast majority of training arenas are inside England bolstered by sub-par statements of accessibilty, convience, etc when being built by Brit taxpayers money ...

In defence of the Manchester velodrome - it is pretty central in the UK.
Quite a lot of sporting investment is made via separate national sports agencies (Sport England, Sport Wales, sportscotland - gotta admire the scots for at least trying to make their agency a little different), so in those cases any lack of investment in those sporting activities covered by these agencies is down to the country in question.

The Scots are lucky in a way, they can badge their disatisfaction with successive governments as nationalism, and get themselves a parliament of their own, with at least a chance of ridding themselves of London, us Englishmen are stuck with London whether we like it or not.

 

[Andy99]

You're right it is the wrong place for this stuff.

I don't know enough about the formula to comment.

Think on though, if they get rid of Scotland, who's next, Wales, Ulster, Liverpool, Newcastle, Yorkshire...????

Whats the old saying...England stops at Watford Gap, west of Reading is Ireland and everywhere south of the M25 is France.......

Surely you mean WE?

You've got to hand it to Salmond though. He has certainly bred the comtempt that he was looking for. Though I'm sure in the end it really benefits no one but himself.

Anyway, enough, MODS LOCK THIS THREAD

 

[Machu Picchu]

Oh thanks. A fairly sweeping statement, that.

So in a democracy; the only informed people are the MP's, whilst the electorate are uninformed. I see, so that's how it works.

Not at all, I think it's rather obvious that MP's are more informed on such matters than most of the electorate.

Serious? It's all part of Mr Salmond's grand plan.

You've got to hand it to Salmond though. He has certainly bred the comtempt that he was looking for. Though I'm sure in the end it really benefits no one but himself.

Actually you've been swallowing the nonsense of others, it's rather typical here (England) that we point the finger at those who aren't the same, sad really.

 

[LugHugger]

It seems to me that this debate and vote is all coming nearly 40 years too late for the Scottish. Oil and gas revenues have peaked and will only diminish in the future. At present the service sector accounts for 73% of UK GDP with Oil and gas contributing only 10% to GDP.

The 3 main British (as opposed to Nationalist) parties all oppose independence for their own political interests. Labour would become toothless and ineffectual in a parliament without Scottish seats. The Lib Dems hold 20% of the Scottish Westminster parliamentary seats representing over a third of their total Commons votes. They can't afford to give up that much clout (even though the Scots seem to have fallen out of love with the Lib Dems since the General election - only 5 from 129 seats in the Scottish Parliament). The Tories just can't get their heads around change and will therefore oppose independence.

This is simply politics but high stakes politics for the Scottish. There's no place for jingoism here - if the vote does happen in the next 2 years, the vote should be cast based on the future and not the past.

Oh, this thread has totally derailed

 

[Ferminal]

Oh, this thread has totally derailed

Indeed, moved the whole thing to Cafe.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I should not have posted urban dictionary description of Britain ..its getting way off base but the op itself was ridiculous tbh

 

[Amsterhammer]

It's sh!te being Scottish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

NSFW

 

[Captain_Cavman]

... The Tories just can't get their heads around change and will therefore oppose independence.
...

Maybe it would help you if you knew what the Tory party is/was actually named.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)

 

[euanli]

This is worth a read

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/11/scotland-12288-union-public

 

[LugHugger]

Maybe it would help you if you knew what the Tory party is/was actually named.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)

Fully aware, thanks anyway. Like I said, they're conservative and can't get their heads around change.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

Fully aware, thanks anyway. Like I said, they're conservative and can't get their heads around change.

Glad to be of assistance.

You can think what you like, doesn't make it a truth or indeed in this case, close to one.

 

[sublimit]

Alex Salmond is power hungry which is fair enough, but I dont get his comparison of Margaret Thatcher with David Cameron.

Thatcher was more than likely borderline insane and I dont think Cameron is anywhere near that. not yet anyway.,, He's said a few things but he happens to PM of Britain so he has to say something and so If he said the referendum was non binding then maybe Salmond would have something to complain about.

 

[LugHugger]

Glad to be of assistance.

You can think what you like, doesn't make it a truth or indeed in this case, close to one.

You weren't, I was just being polite.

The clue to Conservative behaviour is in the name, they are slow to change. Look, it's not necessarily a criticism, don't take it so personally. Strength of belief is not a crime so long as it doesn't become blind intransigence. In my time I've voted for all 3 mainstream British parties. I simply don't subscribe to a single dogmatic party line.

 

[Morbius]

So as I'm uninformed (and back from a voluntary break), can someone clarify what currency an independent Scotland would use?
A new Scottish currency?
The Euro?
The Pound Sterling?

If the Pound, would Scottish banks continue to issue Pounds Sterling under control of the Bank of England? How independent would that make them?

 

[AngusW]

You're right it is the wrong place for this stuff.

I don't know enough about the formula to comment.

Think on though, if they get rid of Scotland, who's next, Wales, Ulster, Liverpool, Newcastle, Yorkshire...????

Whats the old saying...England stops at Watford Gap, west of Reading is Ireland and everywhere south of the M25 is France.......

I thought the old saying was: "The wogs start at Calais..."

BTW: sorry, off topic. Sean Yates was born in England, I believe.

 

[Catwhoorg]

You weren't, I was just being polite.

The clue to Conservative behaviour is in the name, they are slow to change. Look, it's not necessarily a criticism, don't take it so personally. Strength of belief is not a crime so long as it doesn't become blind intransigence. In my time I've voted for all 3 mainstream British parties. I simply don't subscribe to a single dogmatic party line.

Conservative and Unionist party

Supporting the union (of the UK) is a core tenet. Its not a reluctance to chnage, its a fundamental belief that the UK is better as the UK, not split.

 

[Catwhoorg]

So as I'm uninformed (and back from a voluntary break), can someone clarify what currency an independent Scotland would use?
A new Scottish currency?
The Euro?
The Pound Sterling?

If the Pound, would Scottish banks continue to issue Pounds Sterling under control of the Bank of England? How independent would that make them?

Its one of those things that is completely up in the air.

The presumption is continue with Sterling, but switch to the Euro as soon as is practicable.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

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