Brits don't dope?

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Iten, the place under investigation, has been a very popular training destination for British long distance runners in the last ca. 5 years.

Asker Jeukendrup's disciple Lornah Kiplagat (Kenyan running for Netherlands, now retired) founded a famous high altitude training camp in Iten.
Look who went training there in 2012:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/16850262

Is Asker Jeukendrup still attached to Sky in any capacity?
 
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Is this linked to the British doctor giving doping products to athletes? Looks like a very similar story just new location
 
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This Iten story goes straigth to Paula Radcliffe and Mo Farah.
Through Asker Jeukendrup, it also affects Sky and UK Athletics, as Jeukendrup has been affiliated with both.

The Bonar story affects the Premier League and a British Tour de France cyclist.

Good luck identifying clean British pro-athletes in any Olympic discipline.
 
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Don't worry.

Everything will be better now we are leaving the EU.

It's already started actually. We have 5 British TdF stages out of 8, and 3 of the jerseys.

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson told us we'd be Great again and we are.
 
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bikenrrd said:
sniper said:
Good luck identifying clean pro-athletes in any Olympic discipline.

FTFY. But that doesn't really fit into the anti British sentiment in the clinic, does it?

There is no anti British sentiment. The British claimed they had higher morals than the rest and therefore dont dope or cheat. This thread is to correct that myth.

The top team at present in British and has made themselves the target of many fans ire, anger and resentment by making wild and outlandish claims to having reinvented the sport and claims that rivals are lazy. This thread also contributes to the correction of that PR BS.

Also the top dog in the sport is a Brit, Brian Cookson. Brits have won 3 of the last 4 TdF. Brits have dominated the 1st week of the Tour.

The clinic is anti doping irrespective of the nationality.
 
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kwikki said:
Don't worry.

Everything will be better now we are leaving the EU.

It's already started actually. We have 5 British TdF stages out of 8, and 3 of the jerseys.

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson told us we'd be Great again and we are.

and Dan Martin is more British than Irish


so the GC as it stands, in the first restday

three brits, count em, one, tow, three
Froome-dawg
Adam Yates
Dan MArtin


i tell you, its Gordonstoun and muscular christianity.

ROW needs to adopt more rigorous great brit pedagogy

mclay cummings cavendish #alliterationz
 
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blackcat said:
kwikki said:
Don't worry.

Everything will be better now we are leaving the EU.

It's already started actually. We have 5 British TdF stages out of 8, and 3 of the jerseys.

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson told us we'd be Great again and we are.

and Dan Martin is more British than Irish


so the GC as it stands, in the first restday

three brits, count em, one, tow, three
Froome-dawg
Adam Yates
Dan MArtin


i tell you, its Gordonstoun and muscular christianity.

ROW needs to adopt more rigorous great brit pedagogy

mclay cummings cavendish #alliterationz

I can hear the Spitfires flying overhead, and the Queen, and the White Cliffs of Dover, and fish and chips, and roast venison for all, and Eton, Rugby, and Charterhouse, Balmoral, The Corgis and The Empire, and milkmen, and rickets, tuberculosis and child poverty, 6 year olds in factories and down mines, no national health, peasants knowing their place and dying at work just because they could.

We will soon be turning up to your European races on steel BSA bikes with rod brakes and carbide lanterns, wooden rims and saddles.....and we will win even more. This is just the start....
 
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Benotti69 said:
The clinic is anti doping irrespective of the nationality.

This is simply not true. The clinic is as anti-doping as the UCI! There's a whole thread dedicated to Alberto Contador which is like some embarrassing fan-boy love letter, despite him being busted for doping (which was actually a blood bag, as we all know). The sheer volume of posts in threads about any British rider shows that nationality is an issue here.
 
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bikenrrd said:
Benotti69 said:
The clinic is anti doping irrespective of the nationality.

This is simply not true. The clinic is as anti-doping as the UCI! There's a whole thread dedicated to Alberto Contador which is like some embarrassing fan-boy love letter, despite him being busted for doping (which was actually a blood bag, as we all know). The sheer volume of posts in threads about any British rider shows that nationality is an issue here.

1 thread sums up the clinic? Really?

In case you have not noticed, but British (anglo saxon)cyclists are currently dominating cycling. Current top 3 in TdF are British, although Birmingham born Dan Martin rides under the Irish Flag, only after British Cycling ignored him.

Top team in the sport is British.

UCI president in British.
 
Yes, and it's not just that they're at the top - it's the extraordinary and swift manner of their unimpeachable rise. Seems a long way from the humble days of Obree, S Yates and Boardman.

I suppose the Americans rose swiftly in their glory days, but that turned out pretty ugly didn't it?

And I guess the Aussies have risen swiftly since Anderson and Peiper. But their trackies, juiced or not, are still doing sprint trains and classics. The British ones are all turning into GT contenders.

Honestly, it smells like such a huge, stinky, rotting, maggot infested rat - the British rise. Bias or not, when you're met with that kind of stench you can't help but exhale your displeasure....
 
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Yes those pesky Brits. Doping to win, and beating all those super clean continentals like Contador and Valverde.

How dare they win.
 
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blackcat said:
kwikki said:
Don't worry.

Everything will be better now we are leaving the EU.

It's already started actually. We have 5 British TdF stages out of 8, and 3 of the jerseys.

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson told us we'd be Great again and we are.

and Dan Martin is more British than Irish


so the GC as it stands, in the first restday

three brits, count em, one, tow, three
Froome-dawg
Adam Yates
Dan MArtin


i tell you, its Gordonstoun and muscular christianity.

ROW needs to adopt more rigorous great brit pedagogy

mclay cummings cavendish #alliterationz

I think Yates, Cavendish and Martin are more Bash Street Kids/Grange Hill than Gordonstoun
 
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The Hegelian said:
Yes, and it's not just that they're at the top - it's the extraordinary and swift manner of their unimpeachable rise. Seems a long way from the humble days of Obree, S Yates and Boardman.

I suppose the Americans rose swiftly in their glory days, but that turned out pretty ugly didn't it?

And I guess the Aussies have risen swiftly since Anderson and Peiper. But their trackies, juiced or not, are still doing sprint trains and classics. The British ones are all turning into GT contenders.

Honestly, it smells like such a huge, stinky, rotting, maggot infested rat - the British rise. Bias or not, when you're met with that kind of stench you can't help but exhale your displeasure....

wow, I didnt know the pro-cycling circus could generate such feelings.
 
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The Hegelian said:
Yes, and it's not just that they're at the top - it's the extraordinary and swift manner of their unimpeachable rise. Seems a long way from the humble days of Obree, S Yates and Boardman.

I suppose the Americans rose swiftly in their glory days, but that turned out pretty ugly didn't it?

And I guess the Aussies have risen swiftly since Anderson and Peiper. But their trackies, juiced or not, are still doing sprint trains and classics. The British ones are all turning into GT contenders.

Honestly, it smells like such a huge, stinky, rotting, maggot infested rat - the British rise. Bias or not, when you're met with that kind of stench you can't help but exhale your displeasure....

The causes of UK's rise are pretty easy to see, same way you can say Lemond caused the US rise. UK is due to a series of events starting with Boardman winning the yellow jersey and the rest of his success, few years later UK Sport says its funding will be based on Olynpic medals so British Cycling created a long term strategy into developing Olympic medal winners with the aim of Britain becoming top of the cycling medals table, during this time Armstrong started dominating which despite what we now know, was extremely captivating and everyone knew about cycling and the Tour. As Britain gained more success, more people took up cycling and had better coaching than previous generations
 
Late popularisation. So what? Why are there so many gifted athletes from there, particularly for stage races?

What kind of cycling tradition and talent base is there in Britain anyway? How many u23 are registered and compete compared with other countries? Obviously the country has less tradition than Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, also Poland, Switzerland, Denmark, Russia/Soviet Union. The first hundred years of the sport saw just a few famous British cyclists: Millar, Simpson, Yates, other Millar, and maybe one or two others.

Ten years ago there were like four British professionals in good teams, Millar, Cioni, Wegelius, pre weight loss Wiggins, maybe some other track cyclist and that was it. Since then Cavendish happened, Sky Team happened, domination happened. Of course funds and profiles matter but for example the growth of cycling in Germany after Ullrich did not generate incredible talent as is the case here. Great Britain was 21st in the CQ nation ranking in 2006, 25th and 24th in the years before, places occupied now by Luxembourg, Estonia and New Zealand.
 
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ciranda said:
Late popularisation. So what? Why are there so many gifted athletes from there, particularly for stage races?

What kind of cycling tradition and talent base is there in Britain anyway? How many u23 are registered and compete compared with other countries? Obviously the country has less tradition than Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, also Poland, Switzerland, Denmark, Russia/Soviet Union. The first hundred years of the sport saw just a few famous British cyclists: Millar, Simpson, Yates, other Millar, and maybe one or two others.

Ten years ago there were like four British professionals in good teams, Millar, Cioni, Wegelius, pre weight loss Wiggins, maybe some other track cyclist and that was it. Since then Cavendish happened, Sky Team happened, domination happened. Of course funds and profiles matter but for example the growth of cycling in Germany after Ullrich did not generate incredible talent as is the case here. Great Britain was 21st in the CQ nation ranking in 2006, 25th and 24th in the years before, places occupied now by Luxembourg, Estonia and New Zealand.

How many of the traditional powerhouses created and ran an academy. Previously if you were Briitish and wanted to be a pro cyclist you would have to be truly excellent and be willing to move to France race and train for a French amateur team and hope someone signs you. This simply isn't the case anymore. It's not a coincidence outside of the Yates', majority of the British riders especially those leading/winning races are in their early 30's and came through the academy, which is why they have re-opened it
 
ciranda said:
Late popularisation. So what? Why are there so many gifted athletes from there, particularly for stage races?

What kind of cycling tradition and talent base is there in Britain anyway? How many u23 are registered and compete compared with other countries? Obviously the country has less tradition than Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, also Poland, Switzerland, Denmark, Russia/Soviet Union. The first hundred years of the sport saw just a few famous British cyclists: Millar, Simpson, Yates, other Millar, and maybe one or two others.

Ten years ago there were like four British professionals in good teams, Millar, Cioni, Wegelius, pre weight loss Wiggins, maybe some other track cyclist and that was it. Since then Cavendish happened, Sky Team happened, domination happened. Of course funds and profiles matter but for example the growth of cycling in Germany after Ullrich did not generate incredible talent as is the case here. Great Britain was 21st in the CQ nation ranking in 2006, 25th and 24th in the years before, places occupied now by Luxembourg, Estonia and New Zealand.

I cannot answer your question directly, but British Cycling’s membership has grown dramatically since 2005, when it stood at just over 15,000 people. Continuous double-digit growth every year since has contributed to the current figure of 100,000. Not all members race, but membership is a pre-requisite to racing. The entry level road racing and circuit racing for fourth and third cat riders is a vigorous and active scene, with most races fully or over-subscribed.
There are now over 4,000 cycling events of all kinds taking place each year with over 300,000 entrants. That is from the British Cycling perspective and does not include the many events for riders who are interested in competing in time trials, for which there is an alternative governing body, Cycling Time Trials, and hundreds and hundreds of affiliated clubs. It does not surprise me at all that this expansion, plus the undoubted enthusiasm for track, MTB, cyclo-cross and so on, has engendered an invigorated cycling scene that feeds through to the professional sphere.
 
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Avoriaz said:
blackcat said:
kwikki said:
Don't worry.

Everything will be better now we are leaving the EU.

It's already started actually. We have 5 British TdF stages out of 8, and 3 of the jerseys.

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson told us we'd be Great again and we are.

and Dan Martin is more British than Irish


so the GC as it stands, in the first restday

three brits, count em, one, tow, three
Froome-dawg
Adam Yates
Dan MArtin


i tell you, its Gordonstoun and muscular christianity.

ROW needs to adopt more rigorous great brit pedagogy

mclay cummings cavendish #alliterationz

I think Yates, Cavendish and Martin are more Bash Street Kids/Grange Hill than Gordonstoun


yeah, but how fun is that innit?

gordonstoun and muscular christianity ftw
 
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Let's put this utter BS about British domination of GT races in perspective shall we.

In the last 10 years the number of British riders managing to get in the top 10 GC of the Giro has been ZERO.

In the last 10 years of the Vuelta GC tables, out of 100 places British riders have occupied THREE. If you remove Froome from the list (given that he had no cycling relationship with the UK until 2010...or at a push 2008 riding for a South African team based in UK) then the number is ONE.

As for the Tour de France, taking Froome out as a non-UK nurtured rider, out of 100 GC places over the last ten years UK riders have appeared in TWO places. Put Froome in and it is 5/100.

As for GT stage wins over the last 10 years, then apart from Cavendish (who accounts for the majority), and Froome and Wiggins you have 8/630.

That's some domination :rolleyes:
 
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kwikki said:
Let's put this utter BS about British domination of GT races in perspective shall we.

In the last 10 years the number of British riders managing to get in the top 10 GC of the Giro has been ZERO.

In the last 10 years of the Vuelta GC tables, out of 100 places British riders have occupied THREE. If you remove Froome from the list (given that he had no cycling relationship with the UK until 2010...or at a push 2008 riding for a South African team based in UK) then the number is ONE.

As for the Tour de France, taking Froome out as a non-UK nurtured rider, out of 100 GC places over the last ten years UK riders have appeared in TWO places. Put Froome in and it is 5/100.

As for GT stage wins over the last 10 years, then apart from Cavendish (who accounts for the majority), and Froome and Wiggins you have 8/630.

That's some domination :rolleyes:

But Geraint Thomas had that one good year, you know where he started focusing a bit more on stage races and going up mountains and finished 15th at the Tour