Brits don't dope?

[thehog]

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Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am."
Hard to believe a sports drug tester would not mention his purpose for the visit around 6am.(btw surely they know the exact time) Who would walk up to reception and just ask for a girls room number. Doesn't seem legit. Seems similar to the Froome missed test. Maybe during critical times they only stay at hotels that can guarantee no access to outsiders.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/24/chris-froome-missed-drug-test-tour-de-france

More to the point, the story of missed test 1 only was challenged after missed test 3, not at the time.

The Froome missed test is somewhat undertanable, he was on a vacation not at the team hotel.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36948193

Brits don't dope. They are even available to testing. They are just unlucky hotel's receptions don't cooperate with the vampirs and leave their phones disconnected while sleeping. Certainly not their fault.

 

[Bronstein]

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Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am."
Hard to believe a sports drug tester would not mention his purpose for the visit around 6am.(btw surely they know the exact time) Who would walk up to reception and just ask for a girls room number. Doesn't seem legit. Seems similar to the Froome missed test. Maybe during critical times they only stay at hotels that can guarantee no access to outsiders.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/24/chris-froome-missed-drug-test-tour-de-france

+1. This doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[luckyboy]

Surprised this case never got leaked. Would be interesting to hear the reasons for the other two missed tests..

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am."
Hard to believe a sports drug tester would not mention his purpose for the visit around 6am.(btw surely they know the exact time) Who would walk up to reception and just ask for a girls room number. Doesn't seem legit. Seems similar to the Froome missed test. Maybe during critical times they only stay at hotels that can guarantee no access to outsiders.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/24/chris-froome-missed-drug-test-tour-de-france

+1. This doesn't pass the smell test.

They wouldn't just ask for the room number, they'd ask the reception to call the room so they can come up and test.

So how did she do in this race in Sweden?

 

[thehook]

I have to side with the Hotel Employee on this. Re; the whole Erin Andrews ESPN thing. However that circumstance was handled. If she had her phone off? We will never know. Could he had called the Team? Because it was at a race. I don't know. So I would always give the athlete the benefit of the doubt on that. IMHO they all deserve that.

However with that being said. Tests # 2 & 3.....There is NO real excuse. She knew she missed #1. Which should have put her on high alert. SHE IS A PRO. You must be responsible for BEING A PRO!!!!! ACT AS SUCH!

And as far as UK Cycling paying or putting up her legal defense. That just smells like corruption to me. I guess JTL was not big enough to get that treatment????

More egg on the UK Cycling/SKY IMHO

 

[thehog]

When you throw in the Hayles 50%+ let off, you get the feeling these guys just make *** go away.

 

[shakey88]

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You didn't fancy posting anything about her case then?

Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am.
Having been refused the information by the hotel, he then attempted to contact Armitstead on a mobile phone that the cyclist had put on silent while she slept.
No further attempts, it appears, were then made by the testing official and a missed test was logged with UKAD.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3718410/Lizzie-Armitstead-wins-court-fight-compete-Rio-Olympics-UK-anti-doping-wanted-four-year-ban-three-missed-tests.html#ixzz4G7ZZu6e8
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No more to say. Armsistead is imo doping.

Do i believe her claim to be sleeping. Nope.

Do i trust CAS, who the head of is a Vice President of the IOC.

Why does British cycling favour some riders over others?

You think everyone is doping regardless of any evidence which renders you opinion null and void

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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They wouldn't just ask for the room number, they'd ask the reception to call the room so they can come up and test.

So how did she do in this race in Sweden?

She finished 19th, +12", was in the bunch but didn't contest the sprint. It's her second worst Coupe de Monde result of 2015, after the 21st in La Flèche Wallonne. As World Cup leader she was automatically tested in competition.

 

[eyesopen]

She was involved in a racing incident near the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tqqc4VT9Ss

 

[The Carrot]

Just watched the BBC breakfast 'news'. The Armitstead story mentioned her being cleared of missing a test, of course failing to mention it was the 1st of three!

Please spare a thought for us Brits who question how we've come from 'Eddie the Eagle' standard to arguably the strongest sporting nation on earth, smashing the bejesus out of known dopers on route. We are about to be subjected to a two week bombardment of patronising guff where, in the midst of daily scandals (sporting and otherwise), we will be incessantly reminded how it's British tenacity and marginal gains that outdo pesky Russians etc.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Just watched the BBC breakfast 'news'. The Armitstead story mentioned her being cleared of missing a test, of course failing to mention it was the 1st of three!

Please spare a thought for us Brits who question how we've come from 'Eddie the Eagle' standard to arguably the strongest sporting nation on earth, smashing the bejesus out of known dopers on route. We are about to be subjected to a two week bombardment of patronising guff where, in the midst of daily scandals (sporting and otherwise), we will be incessantly reminded how it's British tenacity and marginal gains that outdo pesky Russians etc.

Eddie the Eagle was always an outlier, of course, as well as being great entertainment, like the African swimmer who nearly sank (country and name both escape me). But I hope the fortnight does not upset you. You could hide under a blanket.

Armitstead took full responsibility for her latter two failures in Monday night's statement, which said: 'The October 2015 failure was the result of a filing failure on ADAMS caused by an administrative oversight. Armitstead did not dispute the oversight.

'The June 2016 missed test was the result of Armitstead not updating her whereabouts on ADAMS, having had an emergency change of plans due to a serious illness within her family.

Sounds an honest admission of error to me. What we don't know (unless anyone can spot it) is how long her appeal to CAS on the first one was pending.

 

[elduggo]

Just watched the BBC breakfast 'news'. The Armitstead story mentioned her being cleared of missing a test, of course failing to mention it was the 1st of three!

Please spare a thought for us Brits who question how we've come from 'Eddie the Eagle' standard to arguably the strongest sporting nation on earth, smashing the bejesus out of known dopers on route. We are about to be subjected to a two week bombardment of patronising guff where, in the midst of daily scandals (sporting and otherwise), we will be incessantly reminded how it's British tenacity and marginal gains that outdo pesky Russians etc.

Eddie the Eagle was always an outlier, of course, as well as being great entertainment, like the African swimmer who nearly sank (country and name both escape me). But I hope the fortnight does not upset you. You could hide under a blanket.

Armitstead took full responsibility for her latter two failures in Monday night's statement, which said: 'The October 2015 failure was the result of a filing failure on ADAMS caused by an administrative oversight. Armitstead did not dispute the oversight.

'The June 2016 missed test was the result of Armitstead not updating her whereabouts on ADAMS, having had an emergency change of plans due to a serious illness within her family.

Sounds an honest admission of error to me. What we don't know (unless anyone can spot it) is how long her appeal to CAS on the first one was pending.

gawsh, yeah, Lizzie seems like the honest type. She'd never tell a lie.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/08/lizzie-armitstead-giro-rosa-cycling-illness

 

[Freddythefrog]

BC certainly were not sparing the pennies.

Top legal gun hired in.

"...Morgan has got Team Sky cyclist Sergio Henao Montoya, Sri Lankan cricketer Kusal Perera, Belarusian hammer thrower Vadim Devyatovskiy and Russian middle distance runner Tatyana Andrianova off doping charges when the odds were heavily stacked against their favour…"

http://www.empireofthekop.com/2016/07/11/meet-mike-morgan-the-man-who-got-mamadou-sakho-off-doping-charges/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

Marion Jones hired in OJ's lawyer to get her off doping violations when she was at HIGH SCHOOL !

 

[gazr99]

If the first one is true, UKAD need a serious review of their procedures. Will be interesting to see how many athletes have missed tests. Didn't Farah had missed 2 in the run up to London 2012

 

[samhocking]

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BC covering up doping, that is what I understand. You just can't miss three tests if you are clean.

BC are entitled to stick up for their own rider if she is unfairly treated, as CAS effectively decided she was.

You don't think it's amazing how quickly, quietly and efficiently this was handled? Hush now. Don't you worry. You're going to Rio...

John Swanson

This was actually handled how it is meant to be handled by UKAD/CAS in accordance with WADA code. We've got so used to investigations being leaked with riders names attached before the decision, it's easy to confuse correct procedure with not being transparent. Alas how this happened with Armistead, was for once done by the book it seems with name only being released to media after the CAS decision.

 

[kwikki]

So....sorry.....I'm getting confused here.

Normally the narrative in here is that UKAD are in on the Great British Sporting Scam, and part of the corruption.

Now we have UKAD pursuing a british World Champion with a view to getting her a lengthy ban, only to be undone by CAS.

So which is it?

 

[Mayo from Mayo]

Re: Re:

Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am."
Hard to believe a sports drug tester would not mention his purpose for the visit around 6am.(btw surely they know the exact time) Who would walk up to reception and just ask for a girls room number. Doesn't seem legit. Seems similar to the Froome missed test. Maybe during critical times they only stay at hotels that can guarantee no access to outsiders.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/24/chris-froome-missed-drug-test-tour-de-france

+1. This doesn't pass the smell test.

Similar to Froome but.... It's a team hotel during the World Cup. Hotel staff would be briefed to expect testers and as you say hard to believe they did not identify themselves. Also wouldn't there have been two testers?

 

[Tienus]

Eddie the Eagle was always an outlier, of course, as well as being great entertainment, like the African swimmer who nearly sank (country and name both escape me).

Eric the Eel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqI8xwXVac

 

[The Carrot]

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Eddie the Eagle was always an outlier, of course, as well as being great entertainment, like the African swimmer who nearly sank (country and name both escape me).

Eric the Eel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqI8xwXVac

Eddie the Eagle,
Eric the Eel,
The Jamaican Bobsleigh Team,
Anatomic Jock Race Winner v1.0.

 

[Chaddy]

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So....sorry.....I'm getting confused here.

Normally the narrative in here is that UKAD are in on the Great British Sporting Scam, and part of the corruption.

Now we have UKAD pursuing a british World Champion with a view to getting her a lengthy ban, only to be undone by CAS.

So which is it?

It's all part of the system maaaaannnnn. BC phone UKAD and tell them she's glowing and they have to come up with a way to get the up coming test (because UKAD give advance warnings to protected stars), which she can't take, not be classed as a missed test further down the line if the situation needs it.


Now wheres me tinfoil hat gone.

 

[ontheroad]

My suspicion of Lizzie Armistead jumped several fold when I heard her criticise Nicole Cooke for speaking out against doping. This stinks to high heaven but I guess the usual cheerleading will continue if Armistead actually goes on to medal in Rio. There are still a lot of questions that need to be asked relating to this affair but will they be?

 

[ontheroad]

Some of the questions that need answering the first one being the main one:

1) Why was her legal fees funded indirectly by the British taxpayer (through British cycling)? Surely the athlete has strict liability?
2) When she stated illness as the reason for her absence from recent events, was this the actual reason or was this due to the pending anti-doping violation?
3) When did she appeal the first missed test, was it immediately or only after the 3rd missed test?
4) Why would an athlete with 'one strike' left have her phone on silent?

 

[sniper]

Re:

So....sorry.....I'm getting confused here.

Normally the narrative in here is that UKAD are in on the Great British Sporting Scam, and part of the corruption.

Now we have UKAD pursuing a british World Champion with a view to getting her a lengthy ban, only to be undone by CAS.

So which is it?

right, great logic.
Agassi and Sharapowa got popped, ergo the ITF are really antidoping.
Davids and Stam and Sakho got popped. FIFA and FA really doing all to clean up soccer.
Three missed tests for Rasmussen, two for Froome, UCi really tackling doping at the roots.

Think less black and white.

 

[wansteadimp]

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Some of the questions that need answering the first one being the main one:

1) Why was her legal fees funded indirectly by the British taxpayer (through British cycling)? Surely the athlete has strict liability?
2) When she stated illness as the reason for her absence from recent events, was this the actual reason or was this due to the pending anti-doping violation?
3) When did she appeal the first missed test, was it immediately or only after the 3rd missed test?
4) Why would an athlete with 'one strike' left have her phone on silent?

re 4) Wasn't the phone on silent re the first missed test?

Another question - What are the excuses for the other 2 tests? Is she appealing those as well?