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Sounds legit.
let me get this straight. You're asking him for the n-th time "how did you get from the Saville report to broadcasting", whereas he didn't actually mention the Saville report?fmk_RoI said:
Sounds legit.
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That sounds more than fair enough to me. There's no "avoiding the question".
You asked him "What are you looking for, a Saville report?" That's two questions in one, and he answered the first part of it. He later clarified that the Saville reference was lost on him.fmk_RoI said:
That sounds more than fair enough to me. There's no "avoiding the question".
there's nothing to explain. He answered your question and later added that the Saville reference was lost on him.
There's no "avoiding the question", as you are suggesting.
There's no "avoiding the question", as you are suggesting.
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I don't think buckle was demanding a Simpson Report. Still, Simpson being SPOTY for me definitely was an interesting point made by buckle. Together with the other comments he made it puts (or at least tries to put) some of the things we are seeing happening in Britain at present in a bit of a historical context.
I wasn't following that discussion closely, I just noted that you kept asking him something that he had already said he didn't know how to answer.fmk_RoI said:
I don't think buckle was demanding a Simpson Report. Still, Simpson being SPOTY for me definitely was an interesting point made by buckle. Together with the other comments he made it puts (or at least tries to put) some of the things we are seeing happening in Britain at present in a bit of a historical context.
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You weren't following the convo but you're able to speak for buckle, even say he wasn't looking for any investigation - let alone one à la Saville - when it seems pretty clear that the (alleged) lack of an investigation perturbs him, with surely the only way to put that right now being to establish an inquiry, five decades on, to remove the whitewash of earlier years:sniper said:
buckle said:
I'm not from Great Britain, I can't say much about how the Simpson case was or wasn't dealt with.
But from where I'm sitting, Buckle makes an intriguing point, something I hadn't considered.
Simpson's death was tragic enough to warrant an investigation. I have no idea if that happened. If it didn't, why not?
I know some British media reflected on their own blind cheerleading in the aftermath of the USADA report, but clearly we can conclude now that not much has changed.
But from where I'm sitting, Buckle makes an intriguing point, something I hadn't considered.
Simpson's death was tragic enough to warrant an investigation. I have no idea if that happened. If it didn't, why not?
I know some British media reflected on their own blind cheerleading in the aftermath of the USADA report, but clearly we can conclude now that not much has changed.
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But. Having established that you think there should have been an inquiry (whether there was or wasn't), let's move forward with this and discuss that inquiry. What form should it take? Clearly the autopsy and French investigation was insufficient for you, clearly the books (not all written by Simpson's idiot nephew) don't suffice, clearly none of the TV programmes count (especially not the ones made for the BBC, controlled as they are even now by the shadowy McWhirter-Pickering-Coleman cabal), as do none of the bazillion articles and interviews about the matter (which number will double with next year's semicentennial juggernaut). So what will suffice? Do you think it needs something the size of Lord Saville's inquiry? Can we finally get an answer - please, I'm down on my knees begging at this stage - that indicates the size of the inquiry needed by those who believe this matter has heretofore been whitewashed? It's surely got to be something between the size of the autopsy and the size of Lord Saville's report, can't we finally just say how big.
This is what is so wrong so often with things around here. People who don't know what they're talking about going off in the direction that most suits them without even bothering to check, without even taking 30 seconds to Google the story, happily spreading disinformation as they go, leaving the casual, uninformed reader with the impression that there really were no questions asked about Simpson's death.sniper said:
But. Having established that you think there should have been an inquiry (whether there was or wasn't), let's move forward with this and discuss that inquiry. What form should it take? Clearly the autopsy and French investigation was insufficient for you, clearly the books (not all written by Simpson's idiot nephew) don't suffice, clearly none of the TV programmes count (especially not the ones made for the BBC, controlled as they are even now by the shadowy McWhirter-Pickering-Coleman cabal), as do none of the bazillion articles and interviews about the matter (which number will double with next year's semicentennial juggernaut). So what will suffice? Do you think it needs something the size of Lord Saville's inquiry? Can we finally get an answer - please, I'm down on my knees begging at this stage - that indicates the size of the inquiry needed by those who believe this matter has heretofore been whitewashed? It's surely got to be something between the size of the autopsy and the size of Lord Saville's report, can't we finally just say how big.
Why is there a desperate need for Britain to come to terms with Simpson, when he was by definition an outlier (one of so few British riders in the peloton), but not for France, or Belgium, or Holland, or Spain, or Italy to hold such an inquiry when doping there was systematic and prevalent?
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That was to be the next question for buckle, if we ever got past the Lord Saville thing. To ask whether there was sufficient inquiry into the deaths of Weylandt and Casartelli, to ask if any of the deaths helpfully listed on Wiki received an inquiry of the required scale. Or is it believed that it is just the British have a problem with not looking into these things?Cannibal72 said:
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The Hitch said:
Read bikinggirl's posts
And before you say it, I am well aware that there's a massive difference between singling out Anglo athletes and generalising Anglophones in a similar manner to the commentator did with the Russians
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The Hitch said:
A nice bit of British non-humor masquerading as humor. I don't know which one is worse, but when I watched women's 100m breaststroke the other day, featuring Efimova and King, as they were finishing, King (who led most of the race) was still leading, but Efimova was closing, and the last few seconds, the German commentator (who had spent the entire introduction to the race lambasting Efimova) was loudly cheering "Bitte....King...JA!!!" or "Please....King...YES!!!' I had to stop watching the feed after that race. I understand the suspicions surrounding Efimova, but to do that during a race and actively cheer against an athlete is petty and unsportsmanlike. The Germans don't even cheer that loud when one of the athletes is about to win a gold medal. Incidentally, and perhaps this fuels the fire, the German swim team (led by a man who has a doping history) hasn't won a medal yet. None. I know that the American domination hasn't given many opportunities to their opponents, but I find that interesting. Biedermann is a very, very good swimmer, a former world champion, but hasn't had an Olympic medal. This is his last season, so obviously his final opportunities to get a medal, but I think that ship has sailed. I don't know how it is in other media around the world, but the vitriol towards the Russians, the booing, the pathetic commentating, the ridiculous headlines, it's a little much.
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Interesting. Uncertainty and unhappiness within their team and a highly suspicious GB add to team France's discontent. I do have to agree though with the riders. It's one thing if you peak well for one Olympics (even your home olympics, where you also feed off the crowd, being at home, easier access to just about everything that's available to the home team, etc) but to do it time and time again?
Nick C. said:
Interesting. Uncertainty and unhappiness within their team and a highly suspicious GB add to team France's discontent. I do have to agree though with the riders. It's one thing if you peak well for one Olympics (even your home olympics, where you also feed off the crowd, being at home, easier access to just about everything that's available to the home team, etc) but to do it time and time again?
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There is a comment under that article by someone calling himself "dourscot" and I think there is something in it.
It may be an exaggeration that nobody could care less, as I was at the velodrome myself for the Track Worlds with a full house and it was full every day, but the Olympics are so popular nationally that many people who do not otherwise watch cycling are glued to their TVs.
Olympic achievements - medals, that is - go on to be recognised nationally and not just among the cycling fans. So why not try to peak for them? And as we know, the funding system for all Olympic sports depends on success, so it will happen. That's where the effort is expended.
The French may note that on that occasion there's the small matter of New Zealand's prowess as well.
BullsFan22 said:
There is a comment under that article by someone calling himself "dourscot" and I think there is something in it.
It may be an exaggeration that nobody could care less, as I was at the velodrome myself for the Track Worlds with a full house and it was full every day, but the Olympics are so popular nationally that many people who do not otherwise watch cycling are glued to their TVs.
Olympic achievements - medals, that is - go on to be recognised nationally and not just among the cycling fans. So why not try to peak for them? And as we know, the funding system for all Olympic sports depends on success, so it will happen. That's where the effort is expended.
The French may note that on that occasion there's the small matter of New Zealand's prowess as well.
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