Brits don't dope?

[yespatterns]

someone has seen the lists it seems

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/544239048722624513
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.180

I'm shocked the list hasn't leaked to the general public yet. There have got to be a lot in the know at this point.

 

[blackcat]

Donaldson?

I think you might not know the case as well as I.



http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/20/ched-evans-found-guilty-rape

The consent for McDonald came from the course of the evening, ie that he drank with her into inebriation.

Evans was not in direct contact with her at the club and came to the hotel after McDonald texted him to do so, therefore premeditation to rape.

McDonald was not found guilty due to the fact that it could legally be assumed he had drank with the women when she was sober that it implied some form of consent. Or more to the point it could not be construed as rape.

what about cuddles? is this his brother, chimera, or doppelgänger?

 

[Hawkwood]

someone has seen the lists it seems

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/544239048722624513
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.180

There's a woman named in that Twitter feed that I've always been suspicious of, and it's not Paula.

 

[sniper]

someone has seen the lists it seems

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/544239048722624513
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.180

Interesting. So Radcliffe it is.

Props to Race Radio for putting himself in the line of fire there.
I see he's already receiving a ****load of ridiculous responses from fans in denial.

 

[sniper]

There's a woman named in that Twitter feed that I've always been suspicious of, and it's not Paula.

you're saying you haven't been suspicious of Radcliffe?

 

[Hawkwood]

you're saying you haven't been suspicious of Radcliffe?

Never followed her at all, so not being suspicious means simply no knowledge. But there's another name there where I thought she looked pumped up and wired to the moon when she won her two golds.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Never followed her at all, so not being suspicious means simply no knowledge. But there's another name there where I thought she looked pumped up and wired to the moon when she won her two golds.

No doubt Holmes doped, going from a feminine physique in her mid 20's to ripped up masculine one in her mid 30's.

From what I understand she was out of the testibg window in the timeframe in question though.

 

[Hawkwood]

No doubt Holmes doped, going from a feminine physique in her mid 20's to ripped up masculine one in her mid 30's.

From what I understand she was out of the testibg window in the timeframe in question though.

Okay, I haven't been following the story in much detail so wasn't clear on the time frame involved.

 

[sniper]

Never followed her at all, so not being suspicious means simply no knowledge. But there's another name there where I thought she looked pumped up and wired to the moon when she won her two golds.

cheers, understand.
agreed, Kelly Holmes was ridiculous.

Otoh, anybody medalling at any track and field discipline at the worlds or olympics should be considered highly suspicious.
As Hajo Seppelt himself suggested at the end of his documentary, track and field podiums are nothing more than podiums of fraud.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

...Holmes...going from a feminine physique in her mid 20's to ripped up masculine one in her mid 30's.

I don't know whether Holmes doped or not, but it's worth noting that she set her 800m PB aged 25, and only improved by <0.2s over her 1500 performance aged 27.

 

[Hawkwood]

cheers, understand.
agreed, Kelly Holmes was ridiculous.

There's some interesting photos of when she won the golds, amazing muscle definition, together with the facial expressions made me wonder `what's she on?'

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

There's some interesting photos of when she won the golds, amazing muscle definition, together with the facial expressions made me wonder `what's she on?'

You might be onto something with muscle definition, but I'm not sure that an analysis of facial expressions when winning gold medals will be particularly reliable! We tend to draw the conclusions from such things to fit our preconceived ideas. e.g. if we believe a particular cyclist is doping and they win looking "pumped up" then we assume "roid rage". If the same cyclist wins with a relaxed demeanour then we assume they've doped up and it's all very easy for them.

 

[Hawkwood]

You might be onto something with muscle definition, but I'm not sure that an analysis of facial expressions when winning gold medals will be particularly reliable! We tend to draw the conclusions from such things to fit our preconceived ideas. e.g. if we believe a particular cyclist is doping and they win looking "pumped up" then we assume "roid rage". If the same cyclist wins with a relaxed demeanour then we assume they've doped up and it's all very easy for them.

Yes, it certainly wasn't a deep analysis on my part, just suspicions at the time.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Yes, it certainly wasn't a deep analysis on my part, just suspicions at the time.

It's about time people stood back from this and took stock. How much more ridiculous must the posts get before people realise they are clutching at straws, while naming people who are very likely nothing to do with this? By all means add facts, but the medieval witch-hunt should have no place in modern life.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Clearly never saw a medieval witchhunt if you equate idle gossip on a random forum somewhere with same.

 

[grizzlee]

OMG. Did anyone watch the European cross country athletics championships yesterday. Kate Avery and Gemma Steele both wiped the floor by over 30 secs to the rest of the field which included world cross country medalists Fionnula Britton and Duarte. It was unbelievable (and by that I do mean UNBELIEVABLE). They broke away only half way round as if the rest of the field didn't even exist, they didn't even look tired at the end of it.
ALIEN

 

[wrinklyvet]

Clearly never saw a medieval witchhunt if you equate idle gossip on a random forum somewhere with same.

Neither of us were about at the time, I am sure (even me!).

It would help matters if some of the idle gossipers had something to go on and had thought about it a little more. I am always open to information.

I look at this idle gossip now and again and I expect others do so too. I live in hopes that I might learn something beneficial. Dragging loads of names into this in the hope that one might be right is not totally unlike a witch-hunt, though i do realise the entertainment value.

As long as those who do it recognise the very tiniest bit of responsibility for the accusations that are palpably false, we will progress.

 

[wrinklyvet]

OMG. Did anyone watch the European cross country athletics championships yesterday. Kate Avery and Gemma Steele both wiped the floor by over 30 secs to the rest of the field which included world cross country medalists Fionnula Britton and Duarte. It was unbelievable (and by that I do mean UNBELIEVABLE). They broke away only half way round as if the rest of the field didn't even exist, they didn't even look tired at the end of it.
ALIEN

Probably did some hard preparation of the most genuine kind. Why not?

 

[grizzlee]

Probably did some hard preparation of the most genuine kind. Why not?

IM gonna assume you are being sarcastic here, now obviously I don't have any proof, but it looked far too easy for both of them. I watched Gemma Steele last year finishing second and she had to dig very hard then (very believable). but this year, well what can I say 2 british athletes ripping up the field. It just looked too easy.

 

[wrinklyvet]

IM gonna assume you are being sarcastic here, now obviously I don't have any proof, but it looked far too easy for both of them. I watched Gemma Steele last year finishing second and she had to dig very hard then (very believable). but this year, well what can I say 2 british athletes ripping up the field. It just looked too easy.

One should obviously make a point of winning poorly.

 

[simoni]

OMG. Did anyone watch the European cross country athletics championships yesterday. Kate Avery and Gemma Steele both wiped the floor by over 30 secs to the rest of the field which included world cross country medalists Fionnula Britton and Duarte. It was unbelievable (and by that I do mean UNBELIEVABLE). They broke away only half way round as if the rest of the field didn't even exist, they didn't even look tired at the end of it.
ALIEN

There are strong, (and, I believe, credible) rumours of abuse of thyroid medications in British Distance Running (basically questionable TUEs). This is apparrently led by governing body medical staff. Taking advantage of the rules to the limit. I am led to believe that some fairly high profile runners (in British terms for a relatively niche sport) are involved but can't remember if Steel was mentioned or not.

Kate Avery is at an american college and recently won the NCAA XC champs. She won't be part of the governing body system and I can't comment on the cleanliness, or otherwise, of the american college scene.

One thing however, is that at Junior level GB women have dominated these champs in recent years and there has been considerable success at U23 and senior level too. I don't think that the female depth of euro XC is especially strong so countries that take it seriously (and UK does) can sometimes produce performances that look exceptionally good.

 

[grizzlee]

There are strong, (and, I believe, credible) rumours of abuse of thyroid medications in British Distance Running (basically questionable TUEs). This is apparrently led by governing body medical staff. Taking advantage of the rules to the limit. I am led to believe that some fairly high profile runners (in British terms for a relatively niche sport) are involved but can't remember if Steel was mentioned or not.

Kate Avery is at an american college and recently won the NCAA XC champs. She won't be part of the governing body system and I can't comment on the cleanliness, or otherwise, of the american college scene.

One thing however, is that at Junior level GB women have dominated these champs in recent years and there has been considerable success at U23 and senior level too. I don't think that the female depth of euro XC is especially strong so countries that take it seriously (and UK does) can sometimes produce performances that look exceptionally good.

Big difference from collegiate running and the European championships. Its not even the 1,2 finish that is annoying me. Its the ease in which they did it. their reaction when crossing the line was staggering, Steele jumping up and down cheering, Not once did she bend down or try and catch her breath. WALK IN THE PARK

 

[The Hitch]

someone has seen the lists it seems

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/544239048722624513
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.180

Merry Xmas to the sceptic I guess.

 

[The Hitch]

You might be onto something with muscle definition, but I'm not sure that an analysis of facial expressions when winning gold medals will be particularly reliable! We tend to draw the conclusions from such things to fit our preconceived ideas. e.g. if we believe a particular cyclist is doping and they win looking "pumped up" then we assume "roid rage". If the same cyclist wins with a relaxed demeanour then we assume they've doped up and it's all very easy for them.

I don't know who we is. From.my experience there are usually 59 other reasons why an athlete is accused of doping, but the one poster says something about facial expression and the wolves jump in and pick on that as if that was the actual argument.

That said the first time I ever heard someone being accused of doping for showing roid rage was Menchov at the 2009 giro who up to that time didn't have that much against him so maybe it's not a flawless doping detection method either...

 

[The Hitch]

Neither of us were about at the time, I am sure (even me!).

It would help matters if some of the idle gossipers had something to go on and had thought about it a little more. I am always open to information.

I look at this idle gossip now and again and I expect others do so too. I live in hopes that I might learn something beneficial. Dragging loads of names into this in the hope that one might be right is not totally unlike a witch-hunt, though i do realise the entertainment value.

As long as those who do it recognise the very tiniest bit of responsibility for the accusations that are palpably false, we will progress.

Probably did some hard preparation of the most genuine kind. Why not?

One should obviously make a point of winning poorly.

If you are so upset with athletes getting called out on their performances maybe you should write to the BBC and complain that they on air, with tens of millions of viewers tuned in accused 2 seperate athletes of.doping during the Olympics based on their performance and nationality, neither one of which had ever been linked to doping before or since.

Or is it only brits you don't like being discussed?