Brits don't dope?

[The Hitch]

Still some speculation on the name, so even myself as king of speculation is waiting for something more concrete. But the wheels do appear in motion.

Pretty transparent there hog.

Lets be honest, whatever beef you have with RR, he's not going to guess the athlete and then pretend he's seen the list and accuse them on twitter.

 

[thehog]

Pretty transparent there hog.

Lets be honest, whatever beef you have with RR, he's not going to guess the athlete and then pretend he's seen the list and accuse them on twitter.

Nah. I thought it was very brave and kudos for doing it in the manner in which it was done. I was more making fun of the empire-crew pretending it's not happening.

If Radcliffe is a doper what hope is there? She's one you wouldn't pick, not because of her performances but because of her staunch anti-doping stance.

It's Britian's Lance and they don't how to digest it. And the logical thought-step; if a half decent athlete with a injury prone career like Radcliffe was smokin the EPO crack pipe then a hack like Froome is gassing it like Ricco.

Say it ain't so.

Let's see where this takes us...

 

[The Hitch]

Half decent?

Her marathon times compared to other women's marathon times are the equivalent of like a 35 minute alpe d huez.

She has the top 3 times in history, her 3rd best is still a minute better than the rest of the sports history and the difference between her best performance and the next best women's marathon performance by Keitani 10 years later, is 3 minutes 12 seconds. Going down from keitani that time seperates the next 81 performances.

It's about as dominant as any athlete has ever neen wr wise in any sport ever.

 

[The Hitch]

Thinking about those numbers some more, if pr wasn't on epo, then considering how much of an impact epo has and how easy it was to beat the tests, I'm starting to wonder if she wouldn't have been able to, on a good epo programme, win some of the major men's marathons

 

[thehog]

Half decent?

Her marathon times compared to other women's marathon times are the equivalent of like a 35 minute alpe d huez.

She has the top 3 times in history, her 3rd best is still a minute better than the rest of the sports history and the difference between her best performance and the next best women's marathon performance by Keitani 10 years later, is 3 minutes 12 seconds. Going down from keitani that time seperates the next 81 performances.

It's about as dominant as any athlete has ever neen wr wise in any sport ever.

She was always a decent athlete before she went marathon-Ricco-Froome-badzhilla crazy funky like.

Not a world beater but she was good. My comparison was to Dawg who was a club athlete in sandshoes before he decided it would be a good idea to erase the EPO era by being clean.

That was my point. She's a a reference point and if she is indeed a doper then you simply can't believe any British athlete bar Eddie the Eagle.

 

[TheSpud]

Thinking about those numbers some more, if pr wasn't on epo, then considering how much of an impact epo has and how easy it was to beat the tests, I'm starting to wonder if she wouldn't have been able to, on a good epo programme, win some of the major men's marathons

I doubt even that would be possible - it would mean being something like 30 seconds quicker per mile which is a huge difference. And remember she'd have to do it 26 times.

 

[TheSpud]

That was my point. She's a a reference point and if she is indeed a doper then you simply can't believe any British athlete bar Eddie the Eagle.

Careful please - he is (well was) a national hero.

Slightly off topic - he does / did epitomise the Olympic spirit. Trying your best and relishing actually taking part. And what did the Olympic organisation say about him - he was bringing the sport in to disrepute (because he was so bad).

 

[sniper]

It's Britian's Lance and they don't how to digest it. And the logical thought-step; if a half decent athlete with a injury prone career like Radcliffe was smokin the EPO crack pipe then a hack like Froome is gassing it like Ricco.

dude just spilled my cappuchino all over the place. Not funny!

Pretty transparent there hog.

Lets be honest, whatever beef you have with RR, he's not going to guess the athlete and then pretend he's seen the list and accuse them on twitter.

true story. I think we're pretty much done speculating about the big name. The other two british athletes on the list are still anybody's guess, I guess(?)

 

[Digger]

froome and sky use marginal gains for being able to beat known dopers - what's PR's excuse...or are people seriously thinking it's possible to run those times clean...

that picture at Edmonton - it's even above froomey calling for jail for dopers.

 

[blackcat]

Nah. I thought it was very brave and kudos for doing it in the manner in which it was done. I was more making fun of the empire-crew pretending it's not happening.

If Radcliffe is a doper what hope is there? She's one you wouldn't pick, not because of her performances but because of her staunch anti-doping stance.

It's Britian's Lance and they don't how to digest it. And the logical thought-step; if a half decent athlete with a injury prone career like Radcliffe was smokin the EPO crack pipe then a hack like Froome is gassing it like Ricco.

Say it ain't so.

Let's see where this takes us...

i wont hear of u smearing ricky riccio hog. this is just not on.

no one pots ricky riccio. no one.

come at me brah

 

[SundayRider]

froome and sky use marginal gains for being able to beat known dopers - what's PR's excuse...or are people seriously thinking it's possible to run those times clean...

that picture at Edmonton - it's even above froomey calling for jail for dopers.

Her 'stance' is ridiculous when you consider it, perhaps the ultimate smokescreen?

At least Wiggins had the decency to reverse his anti-doping stance once he became a big success on the road.

 

[blackcat]

Nah. I thought it was very brave and kudos for doing it in the manner in which it was done. I was more making fun of the empire-crew pretending it's not happening.

the empire crew pretending it is not happening.

this is the muscular christianity, gordonstoun, chariots of fire, stiff upper lip, public schoolboys ethic, oxbridge, rowing and rowing coaches,

hogs, its just the british gestalt of genius and greatness, and u aint got it double negative pleonasm for affect

you do not know greatness nor genius hog, so you will never get it nor alliteration


empire rowing crew ftw head of the river oxbridge
oxbridge boat race regatta

 

[blackcat]

Her 'stance' is ridiculous when you consider it, perhaps the ultimate smokescreen?

At least Wiggins had the decency to reverse his anti-doping stance once he became a big success on the road.

no, it is actually, the lady doth protest too much methinx.

~shakeyspeares

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks

 

[SundayRider]

no, it is actually, the lady doth protest too much methinx.

~shakeyspeares

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks

Yeah that is sort of what I meant by smokescreen.

 

[blackcat]

The silence from Radcliffe in response to Race Radio's tweet is deafening.

As a brit myself, this is hard to take, I'm a fringe fan of athletics and I watched Radcliffe at a time when I was much more naive about doping.

There are many other british candidates who I would want to see busted before her.

I re-iterate what I said earlier in the thread that this will be a huge national scandal if she is exposed in the mainstream press, its not because of her level of celebrity right now but because of her sanctimony and hypocritical attitude. She will be a huge joke, probably bigger than Armstrong in the US because there aren't many athletes viewed as dopers here.

what will be more deafening, is if Radcliffe gets her people, cos these people have people, and gets her people to get the tweet nixxed.

remember when Armstrong could get the interwebz cleaned of libelous smears, and take Really Fake Frankie xtranormal youtubes off youtube.

stfu Levi

weakwilled Horner.

But that was before Horner lost about 6 kg on peptides he was not thing enough in the first place to lose, and won the Vuelta.

 

[SundayRider]

what will be more deafening, is if Radcliffe gets her people, cos these people have people, and gets her people to get the tweet nixxed.

remember when Armstrong could get the interwebz cleaned of libelous smears, and take Really Fake Frankie xtranormal youtubes off youtube.

stfu Levi

weakwilled Horner.

But that was before Horner lost about 6 kg on peptides he was not thing enough in the first place to lose, and won the Vuelta.

It's not just that one tweet though, there is other tweets. Lots of posts on various forums, people have seen the list. It will come out.

 

[blackcat]

Yeah that is sort of what I meant by smokescreen.

yeah, poor reply by moi.

usually the athletes just use the old deflection and dissemble

and pr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

Paula might have more work cut out if someone gets their teeth in, and has a medium to publish in.

If Armstrong was cautious, he never would have been busted. He was greedy and thought he was impenetrable. hubris does that, nullifies your risk management

hey, april macy, where did you head off to when i asked you for that favour

 

[simoni]

Spoty Paula won SPOTY in 2002. I would like correction, but I don't think she has been back since. Too busy in Monaco socialising. But suddenly out of the blue, wouldn't you just know it, after 24 hours of pause in the twitter feed suddenly she is on BBC Radio five doing interviews "Oh how hard it all was, you will never believe what I had to go through" and the Mail is maxing out the rev counter in reverse gear repeating it all. Last night the BBC sat her alongside Hoy. Just the establishment reminding us that she is a chosen one, sitting her in the most prime of spots for the whole night, the camera constantly picking her up as it scanned back from the stage.

She regularly commentates/pundits on athletics stuff for BBC. The "out of character" theory is nonsense.

The rest is open to debate.

 

[coinneach]

At risk of being labeled a fanboy, can I ask what is the evidence about PR?

A Super fast marathon times
B One off the scale test (mysteriously not followed up, which should be the real story)

The pregnancy angle does seem to change things for women LD. runners, from Norwegians in the 70's to Jo Pavey this year.....

I don't know enough about PR's career, records and test dates to comment, but would welcome some dispassionate analysis of the facts as we know them now.

 

[SundayRider]

At risk of being labeled a fanboy, can I ask what is the evidence about PR?

A Super fast marathon times
B One off the scale test (mysteriously not followed up, which should be the real story)

The pregnancy angle does seem to change things for women LD. runners, from Norwegians in the 70's to Jo Pavey this year.....

I don't know enough about PR's career, records and test dates to comment, but would welcome some dispassionate analysis of the facts as we know them now.

Has the top three marathon times ever. The WR being three full minutes faster than the person with the fourth fastest time. Has beaten known dopers. According to the running forums her 5/10K times don't match her marathon times in the way that the vast majority of other world class runners.

 

[simoni]

Has the top three marathon times ever. The WR being three full minutes faster than the person with the fourth fastest time. Has beaten known dopers. According to the running forums her 5/10K times don't match her marathon times in the way that the vast majority of other world class runners.

i.e. the "evidence" is that people don't/won't/can't trust exceptional performance.

Understandable but it doesn't advance the argument. Facts are so much more useful but a lot less fun.

Asking Radcliffe some hard questions now her career is over is valid. She should be able to tell us how she did it.

 

[SundayRider]

i.e. the "evidence" is that people don't/won't/can't trust exceptional performance.

Understandable but it doesn't advance the argument. Facts are so much more useful but a lot less fun.

Asking Radcliffe some hard questions now her career is over is valid. She should be able to tell us how she did it.

I think it is more the fact that the record has stood for so long without anyone even getting anywhere near it.

 

[mrhender]

i.e. the "evidence" is that people don't/won't/can't trust exceptional performance.

Understandable but it doesn't advance the argument. Facts are so much more useful but a lot less fun.

Asking Radcliffe some hard questions now her career is over is valid. She should be able to tell us how she did it.

You mean like this:
http://www.espn.co.uk/blogs/sport/story/378857.html

A blanket cynicism is understandable but it's lazy and self-defeating. Of course, if you believe the worst of everything you're seldom surprised and never disappointed but it's a pretty awful way to live. If you can't believe that people are capable of good things - if only intermittently - your world hasn't got much going for it.

True, an uncritical belief in everything you're presented with is a shortcut to being a fool, but I've always preferred credulity to cynicism. If I'd curled my lip and sneered at the 100m final in Beijing I'd have missed one of the great sporting moments of my life, Bolt winning in 9.69.

So I believed, I accepted, I was part of the wonder of it all, and I'm glad. Sport is about raising human spirits, and if you aren't bold enough to take the occasional leap of trust, you're cutting yourself off from the heartland of sport. But you have to accept that if you take those leaps, you're going to take some falls.

I guess it's all about how you choose to approach sports ("sports")..
Imo It's not always about being right..
Humans can't grasp, percept, or align with all the wrongs of the world so we choose to believe and enjoy some things -as what they might seem...
Willfully ignoring some aspects that might interfere with our inner-world-well-being...
Sports and entertainment are excellent distractors of real-life issues..
Thus no reason to ruin that also???

Or is it just calm realism...

I dunno..

And even if I did, I wouldn't be right...

 

[Parker]

I think it is more the fact that the record has stood for so long without anyone even getting anywhere near it.

Her World Record was set with the benefit of male pacemakers - something that is not possible any more, but completely allowed at the time. Many think the record should be removed from the books. I think I agree with them.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Didn´t knew she had the T-3 marathon times...
but what strikes me and convinces me that she´d been a hard-core blood-doper is that her best times in various disciplines came all in her late 20s/early 30s... with one exception: her best time at the 1-mile race came at age 23. OTOH, that time is only good for 139th all time, and then dominating the marathon a decade later. Who actually believes such BS?