Brits don't dope?

[Digger]

But we had a juiced up Nibali not able to follow him - Wiggo the legend.

Anyway back to those spikes from his 09 values two weeks into the race - the machine calibration issues as JV explained - or as I call it 'heads I win, tails you lose.'

Bassport works - except when it doesn't - those times it's the machine's fault - but it definitely works when the values are what we'd like them to be.


Six foot TT specialist riding with the best climbers in the world - outside of Contador (!!) - definitely normal. Especially when we see the power he put out in those TT's....Poor old Lucho Herrera wouldn't have managed those time trials on a motorbike.

 

[The Hitch]

And you quoting it (or bits of it) in response to Wells not using blocks is what made me post the Wigs comment (ie the flat course).

The fact is though, Contador wasn't there (who would have been a contender), Evans was sick, and when the route was announced it was widely acknowledged that it would be better for Wiggins than previous routes. That doesn't mean it favoured him - just that previous routes were seen as not favourable, certainly by the press (rightly or wrongly).

And that happens every year. Any year you take a majoriry of the pre race favourites don't finish and in most years it was even worse than 2012.

So you and martinvickers, in being the only ones to push this point at any chance, share not just a knack for making the "argument" but also a common inability to think the argument through.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Even if those people were there, and they somehow managed to beat a 6.4 W/kg Wiggins in the final TT, and he finished in the top 5 - for me that is still a ridiculous performance for a track rider.

 

[TheSpud]

And that happens every year. Any year you take a majoriry of the pre race favourites don't finish and in most years it was even worse than 2012.

I agree. Its easy to take any year and spin the story / facts to meet your aim. I wasnt saying i agreed earlier, just pointing out that two major favourites were out / ill. Its relevant, yes, but not conclusive. It would be like West Ham winning the prem after Chelsea being excluded and Man U having a **** year.

So you and martinvickers, in being the only ones to push this point at any chance, share not just a knack for making the "argument" but also a common inability to think the argument through.

I cant comment for him. What I will say is my post yesterday in reply to TheHog was more of a goad / playful post than anything else and was made in that context. In that view I think you have made to much of it.

 

[thehog]

I agree. Its easy to take any year and spin the story / facts to meet your aim. I wasnt saying i agreed earlier, just pointing out that two major favourites were out / ill. Its relevant, yes, but not conclusive. It would be like West Ham winning the prem after Chelsea being excluded and Man U having a **** year.



I cant comment for him. What I will say is my post yesterday in reply to TheHog was more of a goad / playful post than anything else and was made in that context. In that view I think you have made to much of it.

My view is your not MartinVickers, no way. He was much more intelligent

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I'm a bit ****ed off the name (Radcliffe) hasn't come out in the main stream press yet.

 

[the sceptic]

My view is your not MartinVickers, no way. He was much more intelligent

I have an open mind. Since there is no evidence he is vickers I have to conclude he is someone else.

 

[Freddythefrog]

I'm a bit ****ed off the name (Radcliffe) hasn't come out in the main stream press yet.

As I said, no cheap jock lawyers. This is the athlete and IAAF acting together with the best.

Some like our friend oldcrank who bought into the story that she was cleans, might reflect why this very rich person decided to move to a location to avoid paying tax to the country that provided the majority of her wealth.

These people can never have enough of other people's money. It is a foundation stone of their lives. "I want more and I will lie and cheat to get it."

Oldcrank - how did you get the ticket to those championships where Radcliffe joined the athletes holding the protest banner ? Were you a guest of the IAAF or was it a UK inter-federation thing ?

 

[The Hitch]

I agree. Its easy to take any year and spin the story / facts to meet your aim. I wasnt saying i agreed earlier, just pointing out that two major favourites were out / ill. Its relevant, yes, but not conclusive. It would be like West Ham winning the prem after Chelsea being excluded and Man U having a **** year.
.

The only person doing any spinning is you. To equate a guy who rode peyresoudes as fast as contador and beat Vincenzo Nibali in the mountains on top of.putting out two of the fastest and most dominant tts (in the middle and end of a gt) to west ham is obvious trolling.

And it's clearly proven wrong by the power output comparisons between years which show that Wiggins 2012 performance was good enough to challenge in any year. And that itself is only for those so ignorant of cycling history they don't realize that Wiggins came 4th in the superfast 2009 tour de France.

As for contador and schleck being out someone actually thinking for themselves would realize that Contador hasn't done anything at the Tour de France for 4 years and Andy Schleck has failed to even finish the race in 3.


B-b-b-but wiggo s had a historically favourable circumstances right? Because two riders who don't challenge at the tour anymore, didn't challenge him at the tour.

Contador wasn't at the 2008 race. And the 2nd best gt rider wasn't there. And the third best gt rider wasn't there. And the 4th best gt rider wasn't there. Landis also missed the 2007 version. Ulrich and Basso also missed the 2007 and 2006 versions.

Imagine that? Races where the top 3,4,5 best gt riders in the world aren't even turning up to the start line? Happens all the time. By your weird reasoning Landis winning 2006 was like Sunderland winning the premier league because the top 5 teams were dqd, contador (like the 10th favourite before the year) would be like Everton winning and Sastre 08 was like a division 2 team becoming premier league champions because everyone above them was dqd.

But in reality we know that all these tdf winners ultimately put out insane performances. And we know that with Wiggins because he wiped the floor with the second most accomplished gt rider of the last decade.

But Wiggins had historic circumstances and was like west ham

Not that Andy schleck was even a major favourite for the race or anything.

 

[roundabout]

I'm a bit ****ed off the name (Radcliffe) hasn't come out in the main stream press yet.

Has any name from the list come out?

 

[blackcat]

ofcourse brits dont dope. they go to gordonstoun. they do boat races with rowing coaches and they row the boat.
they go to oxbridge.
they dont talk of what goes on in dorm rooms of public boarding schools.
they do tho do chariots of fire.
they do muscular christianity.
they do steve redgrave, thats sir steve redgrave to you knigt of the imperial realm.
they do the empire
they are have symbols for empire crew.
they speak english.
they speak the queen's english.

 

[del1962]

ofcourse brits dont dope. they go to gordonstoun. they do boat races with rowing coaches and they row the boat.
they go to oxbridge.
they dont talk of what goes on in dorm rooms of public boarding schools.
they do tho do chariots of fire.
they do muscular christianity.
they do steve redgrave, thats sir steve redgrave to you knigt of the imperial realm.
they do the empire
they are have symbols for empire crew.
they speak english.
they speak the queen's english.

Can a mod tell me why a xenophobic post full of sterotyping is allowed to be posted here?

 

[thehog]

Can a mod tell me why a xenophobic post full of sterotyping is allowed to be posted here?

I'm just trying to work out what 'musclar christianity' is !?!?!!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Can a mod tell me why a xenophobic post full of sterotyping is allowed to be posted here?

xenophobic? where?

 

[Netserk]

Can a mod tell me why a xenophobic post full of sterotyping is allowed to be posted here?

It's called satire and in the case of blackcat it's freaking hilarious.

 

[thehog]

The only person doing any spinning is you. To equate a guy who rode peyresoudes as fast as contador and beat Vincenzo Nibali in the mountains on top of.putting out two of the fastest and most dominant tts (in the middle and end of a gt) to west ham is obvious trolling.

And it's clearly proven wrong by the power output comparisons between years which show that Wiggins 2012 performance was good enough to challenge in any year. And that itself is only for those so ignorant of cycling history they don't realize that Wiggins came 4th in the superfast 2009 tour de France.

As for contador and schleck being out someone actually thinking for themselves would realize that Contador hasn't done anything at the Tour de France for 4 years and Andy Schleck has failed to even finish the race in 3.


B-b-b-but wiggo s had a historically favourable circumstances right? Because two riders who don't challenge at the tour anymore, didn't challenge him at the tour.

Contador wasn't at the 2008 race. And the 2nd best gt rider wasn't there. And the third best gt rider wasn't there. And the 4th best gt rider wasn't there. Landis also missed the 2007 version. Ulrich and Basso also missed the 2007 and 2006 versions.

Imagine that? Races where the top 3,4,5 best gt riders in the world aren't even turning up to the start line? Happens all the time. By your weird reasoning Landis winning 2006 was like Sunderland winning the premier league because the top 5 teams were dqd, contador (like the 10th favourite before the year) would be like Everton winning and Sastre 08 was like a division 2 team becoming premier league champions because everyone above them was dqd.

But in reality we know that all these tdf winners ultimately put out insane performances. And we know that with Wiggins because he wiped the floor with the second most accomplished gt rider of the last decade.

But Wiggins had historic circumstances and was like west ham

Not that Andy schleck was even a major favourite for the race or anything.

Excellent post Hitch. The "explain away" effort on Wiggins is fairly poor. He was strong that year 2012. He literally won every race he entered. In face at Romandie (correct me if I'm wrong) he won a group sprint on a flat stage in the saddle!

 

[SundayRider]

Can a mod tell me why a xenophobic post full of sterotyping is allowed to be posted here?

I'm British and found that funny.

 

[del1962]

I'm British and found that funny.

It may be funny once, but he continuously posts his xenophobic drivel, the guy has serious problems with the British.

 

[yespatterns]

I'm just trying to work out what 'musclar christianity' is !?!?!!

I'm pretty sure I'm happier not knowing.

 

[del1962]

I'm pretty sure I'm happier not knowing.

Must be an Australian term, because I have never heard anyone use in Britain, just like I have never met anyone who went to the Scottish School he mentioned

 

[The Hitch]

Has any name from the list come out?

No. But haven't certain big names in the sport of cycling and elsewhere claimed that this country, more than any other just doesn't stand for doping?

People on this forum too. Apparently it's a whole different culture unlike every other country.

 

[Digger]

Excellent post Hitch. The "explain away" effort on Wiggins is fairly poor. He was strong that year 2012. He literally won every race he entered. In face at Romandie (correct me if I'm wrong) he won a group sprint on a flat stage in the saddle!

Well attacking from the saddle is a sky strategy hog!
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/15/team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france

Except froome says it's not a strategy he only does it for comfort
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/froome_i_have_more_power_if_i_just_stay_in_the_saddle/


Kerrison in the first link - seems to show he did work with froome - yet froome says he hardly ever did....

Sky can't keep track - which is always the first sign of lies.

 

[thehog]

I'm pretty sure I'm happier not knowing.

You sure?

It's bloody fascinating!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

 

[The Hitch]

Excellent post Hitch. The "explain away" effort on Wiggins is fairly poor. He was strong that year 2012. He literally won every race he entered. In face at Romandie (correct me if I'm wrong) he won a group sprint on a flat stage in the saddle!

Yeah but what sprinters were there in that stage at romandie? No cav. No Sagan. No Kittel. It was a weak sprinting field. Like Southend fc winning the premier league

 

[SundayRider]

Excellent post Hitch. The "explain away" effort on Wiggins is fairly poor. He was strong that year 2012. He literally won every race he entered. In face at Romandie (correct me if I'm wrong) he won a group sprint on a flat stage in the saddle!

This. Wiggins was virtually unbeatable in 2012, the Tour win was NID. Just so happens that 2012 was also the biggest year for sport (and cycling) in pretty much forever in the UK. Just a conincidence that.