Brits don't dope?

[mrhender]

Brit's don't dope, so don't need testing, right?

Blood tests for the bio passport, 2012:
RUSADA: 2946
UKAD: 161


https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-2012-Anti-Doping-Testing-Figures-Report-EN.pdf

Not knowing the testing pool in numbers for each "country" I would say this is a disgrace...

161 ABP blood tests in olympic year London seems a very low no.

 

[Benotti69]

Brit's don't dope, so don't need testing, right?

Blood tests for the bio passport, 2012:
RUSADA: 2946
UKAD: 161


https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-2012-Anti-Doping-Testing-Figures-Report-EN.pdf

Not knowing the testing pool in numbers for each "country" I would say this is a disgrace...

161 ABP blood tests in olympic year London seems a very low no.

If UKAD were serious then i would expect 161 per each big event at the olympics......but hey pro sport is more about business than anything else.

 

[mrhender]

Brit's don't dope, so don't need testing, right?

Blood tests for the bio passport, 2012:
RUSADA: 2946
UKAD: 161


https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-2012-Anti-Doping-Testing-Figures-Report-EN.pdf

Not knowing the testing pool in numbers for each "country" I would say this is a disgrace...

161 ABP blood tests in olympic year London seems a very low no.

If UKAD were serious then i would expect 161 per each big event at the olympics......but hey pro sport is more about business than anything else.

I wonder how many athletes those test are divided "upon"..

Wasn't it Kreuziger who said that he had 11 months in between ABP tesing.. If that is the case for Brit athletes (or anyone else for that matter) as numbers seem to suggest then it seems the criticism of the ABP is not only fair, but necessary..

I mean how are you going to discover abnormalities if you ABP-test once a year (if "lucky")
The ABP seems slightly oversold... To say the least..

 

[Benotti69]

Brit's don't dope, so don't need testing, right?

Blood tests for the bio passport, 2012:
RUSADA: 2946
UKAD: 161


https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-2012-Anti-Doping-Testing-Figures-Report-EN.pdf

Not knowing the testing pool in numbers for each "country" I would say this is a disgrace...

161 ABP blood tests in olympic year London seems a very low no.

If UKAD were serious then i would expect 161 per each big event at the olympics......but hey pro sport is more about business than anything else.

I wonder how many athletes those test are divided "upon"..

Wasn't it Kreuziger who said that he had 11 months in between ABP tesing.. If that is the case for Brit athletes (or anyone else for that matter) as numbers seem to suggest then it seems the criticism of the ABP is not only fair, but necessary..

I mean how are you going to discover abnormalities if you ABP-test once a year (if "lucky")
The ABP seems slightly oversold... To say the least..

ABP was designed to do a few things, a smoke screen and when needed something to control athletes and issue bans for those who the federations want to slap down.

 

[blackcat]

UK anti doping was fig leaf for them winning twenty gold at the Olympics. anti-doping does not find any companion in Gordonstoun, muscular christianity, (oh wait, tenuous correlation there), Redgrave, rowing, Oxbridge, Chariots of Fire, Monty Python, Wiggins room temperature ales, Harrow

 

[Texeng]

Brit's don't dope, so don't need testing, right?

Blood tests for the bio passport, 2012:
RUSADA: 2946
UKAD: 161


https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-2012-Anti-Doping-Testing-Figures-Report-EN.pdf

Not knowing the testing pool in numbers for each "country" I would say this is a disgrace...

161 ABP blood tests in olympic year London seems a very low no.

If UKAD were serious then i would expect 161 per each big event at the olympics......but hey pro sport is more about business than anything else.

As I understand it from your own link there were 397 ABP tests done in competition by Harlow, UK in 2012 (Table J2). I believe Harlow was where the Olympic Drug Testing was done. Also another 35 Out of competition at the same location. Therefore I guess they were at least twice as serious as you expected them to be. Also, we do not know how many tests the various Unions or Agencies did on Brits during that time.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Wow, that means 165 OOC tests for British ADA in 2012, compare that with the 'global sport' of skating: 537

Only fools glow at championships Texeng.

And now compare them to the medal count of the 2012 Olympics

Not testing looks to pay off? And, how good are the French and Russians actually?

 

[blackcat]

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And now compare them to the medal count of the 2012 Olympics

Not testing looks to pay off? And, how good are the French and Russians actually?

wow, they won 29? goddam that is some fine Gordonstoun muscular christianity medalling and meddling alliterations

 

[Chipist]

Blackcat, steady on old chap! Can you leave the English ale out of future correspondence. Much better than lager pish.

 

[blackcat]

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Blackcat, steady on old chap! Can you leave the English ale out of future correspondence. Much better than lager pish.

oh, but a smarter reading would have been pro-doping does find companion in room temperature english ales and #syllogisms

 

[fmk_RoI]

There are so many variables to take into account when comparing the number of ABP tests carried out by UKAD and RUSADA, from the size of the NRTP through where the athletes are actually based (eg UK Winter Olympic athletes are likely to spend more time outside the UK and are more likely to be tested there). The make up of sports among the members of the NRTP is also important. The following takes the 2014 ABP testing stats from the WADA report on a sport by sport basis and compares the number of tests carried out by both UKAD and RUSADA with the number of tests carried out by the relevant IF and the total number of tests conducted in that sport.

 

[QuizzicalSwin]

Cool This could be fun.

 

[adamfo]

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And now compare them to the medal count of the 2012 Olympics

Not testing looks to pay off? And, how good are the French and Russians actually?

wow, they won 29? goddam that is some fine Gordonstoun muscular christianity medalling and meddling alliterations

So er... how does doing gear help win golds in shooting and equestrian ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics

I watched the German ARD documentary (English version) and it's pretty clear there is no such thing as valid out of season testing in Russia.

http://www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/dokus/videos/geheimsache-doping-engl-version-100.html

 

[Libertine Seguros]

you don't think beta blockers would help shooters?

 

[TMP402]

Could someone explain the Gordonstoun thing please?

 

[adamfo]

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Could someone explain the Gordonstoun thing please?

Minor private school in Scotland. Expensive with a mediocre reputation in academic and sporting matters. Notorious for cold showers early in the morning and Royal patronage. Colonials seem infatuated by the place.
It's not all bad though, I know somebody who went there and is now an architect.

 

[TMP402]

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Could someone explain the Gordonstoun thing please?

Minor private school in Scotland. Expensive with a mediocre reputation in academic and sporting matters. Notorious for cold showers early in the morning and Royal patronage. Colonials seem infatuated by the place.
It's not all bad though, I know somebody who went there and is now an architect.

So what's the relevance to doping?

 

[Texeng]

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Could someone explain the Gordonstoun thing please?

Minor private school in Scotland. Expensive with a mediocre reputation in academic and sporting matters. Notorious for cold showers early in the morning and Royal patronage. Colonials seem infatuated by the place.
It's not all bad though, I know somebody who went there and is now an architect.

So what's the relevance to doping?

Don't know if there is one - I think its called yanking the Brit's chain to see if they'll bite

 

[HelloDolly]

I am not British but live in the UK. I do think there are different reactions to doping in UK than say in Italy. If you are caught doping as a successful sportsperson in UK then the level of repercussion is higher than in some European or East European countries. Its just a matter of payback and pain. The risks are higher

Every nationality have different approaches and attributes . The French are known to tolerate mistresses more than say the Americans. Its not just a matter of morality its a national approach on what is accepted

 

[fmk_RoI]

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If you are caught doping as a successful sportsperson in UK then the level of repercussion is higher than in some European or East European countries.

Compare and contrast David Millar and Dwain Chambers.

 

[blackcat]

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Could someone explain the Gordonstoun thing please?

Minor private school in Scotland. Expensive with a mediocre reputation in academic and sporting matters. Notorious for cold showers early in the morning and Royal patronage. Colonials seem infatuated by the place.
It's not all bad though, I know somebody who went there and is now an architect.

its muscular christianity and chariots of fire

 

[keeponrollin]

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you don't think beta blockers would help shooters?

Yep, & we Irish have had issues with both Equestrian positives, & issues of illegal (i.e. cruel ), schooling methods being used on the horses.

 

[adamfo]

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Could someone explain the Gordonstoun thing please?

Minor private school in Scotland. Expensive with a mediocre reputation in academic and sporting matters. Notorious for cold showers early in the morning and Royal patronage. Colonials seem infatuated by the place.
It's not all bad though, I know somebody who went there and is now an architect.

its muscular christianity and chariots of fire

I don't think you have quite twigged the 'Colonial' was a reference to you !

 

[blackcat]

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Could someone explain the Gordonstoun thing please?

Minor private school in Scotland. Expensive with a mediocre reputation in academic and sporting matters. Notorious for cold showers early in the morning and Royal patronage. Colonials seem infatuated by the place.
It's not all bad though, I know somebody who went there and is now an architect.

its muscular christianity and chariots of fire

I don't think you have quite twigged the 'Colonial' was a reference to you !

When Team Sky turn the absurdism dial to Full *** there is only one response. gordonstoun, muscular christianity, rowing, oxbridge, radcliffe, and chariots of fire.

#Poeslaw

 

[zalacain]

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Could someone explain the Gordonstoun thing please?

Minor private school in Scotland. Expensive with a mediocre reputation in academic and sporting matters. Notorious for cold showers early in the morning and Royal patronage. Colonials seem infatuated by the place.
It's not all bad though, I know somebody who went there and is now an architect.

So what's the relevance to doping?

The only person I knew who went there became an artist and animator. He smoked a lot of dope