Brits don't dope?

[Alphabet]

I'll defend the undefendable, check the links , no other languages ..... this means .... only the conniving anglo saxons need a page like this.

Although I don't think(hope) Alphabet was really serious with that piece of evidence

I was being facetious with that example .

 

[Cycle Chic]

John Herety

John Herety on Eurosport was asked by James Richardson about the 'doping' innuendos and questions that are rumouring Sky.

His answer - he has known Rod Ellingworth since the conception of Team GB and also Tim Kerrison..and they would never engage in doping. I cant recall the exact answer but it was 'he told me so I believe him'...'they would never do it'.

nb. how fat has john herety become !

 

[Grand Tourist]

John Herety on Eurosport was asked by James Richardson about the 'doping' innuendos and questions that are rumouring Sky.

His answer - he has known Rod Ellingworth since the conception of Team GB and also Tim Kerrison..and they would never engage in doping. I cant recall the exact answer but it was 'he told me so I believe him'...'they would never do it'.

nb. how fat has john herety become !

There was some other guff about how Sky investing in 'good science' whereas previous teams invested in 'bad science'. Absurd.

 

[Alphabet]

What defines an Anglo-Saxon nation? I assume it means that the majority of the population, ethnically, are Anglo-Saxon?

Both Kenya and South Africa are majority Bantu, so they aren't Anglo-Saxon countries anyway.

 

[Pulpstar]

There was some other guff about how Sky investing in 'good science' whereas previous teams invested in 'bad science'. Absurd.

Virenque in one of the shorts has piled on the pounds too !

 

[Coolair2970]

Perhaps if Kate gives birth next weekend,
the Royal wean will be named Chris.

That would also mean that a Froome win would appear on page 47 instead of the frontpage. Nice. Keep them closed Kate

 

[Benotti69]

Virenque in one of the shorts has piled on the pounds too !

I saw that, he went up Ventoux breathing very heavily, good to see him do it au natural for once in his life.

 

[sniper]

Reedie for WADA president.

tell me it aint so:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports...nt+World+AntiDoping+Agency/8768902/story.html

with Cookson and this guy in charge next year, it's carte blanche for Sky.

So shortly after the Olympic Games, this all smells incredibly fishy. The report on state-sponsored doping in West Germany that just came out describes in detail how vital the Olympic Games in 1972 were to West Germany and how they wanted medals there at all costs and by all means. And we know through Fuentes what Barcelona 1992 was all about.
Somebody please reassure me that Brits are fundamentally different from West Germany and Spain.

 

[Galic Ho]

tell me it aint so:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports...nt+World+AntiDoping+Agency/8768902/story.html

with Cookson and this guy in charge next year, it's carte blanche for Sky.

So shortly after the Olympic Games, this all smells incredibly fishy. The report on state-sponsored doping in West Germany that just came out describes in detail how vital the Olympic Games in 1972 were to West Germany and how they wanted medals there at all costs and by all means. And we know through Fuentes what Barcelona 1992 was all about.
Somebody please reassure me that Brits are fundamentally different from West Germany and Spain.

Don't worry, at least they won't win the World Cup!

Sorry Sniper, but I can't tell you the Brits are fundamentally different to the Germans and Spanish. I think they might be worse as they have the gall to slander past cheats and proclaim themselves as clean beacons and the saviors of clean world sports. Granted not all Brits, but the moral high a lot get from Britain being 'cleaner and morally superior' is nauseating.

None of this surprises me. None of it at all. 72 years old as well? Pound is only just 71 I was reading today and he quit years ago. What is this bloke going to do? Nothing proactive IMO. Get someone younger with impetus and vigor for fighting doping. Someone with a plan and a clue as how to tackle doping. Someone who will fight, name and shame the dopers and organisations and sports that are dirty.

I am not going to hold my breath.

 

[zigmeister]

Of course there is doping in the UK.

Go to any meathead gym and you'll see loads of men pumped up on roids.

You live in the UK? Did you know people can legally homebrew steroids still? They used to, until recently, be able to homebrew and sell in the UK. Now they stopped the local selling, and you can still make steroids, or whatever for that matter, in your own kitchen compounding pharmacy lab!

I actually agree with this though. All of this nonsense about "roid rage", no proof whatsoever. Abusing something will kill you with pretty much anything, including water.

But, this is off topic of Brits/cycling and doping.

 

[Freddythefrog]

John Herety on Eurosport was asked by James Richardson about the 'doping' innuendos and questions that are rumouring Sky.

His answer - he has known Rod Ellingworth since the conception of Team GB and also Tim Kerrison..and they would never engage in doping. I cant recall the exact answer but it was 'he told me so I believe him'...'they would never do it'.

nb. how fat has john herety become !

Somebody needs to Ask Andrew Sutcliffe

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a-coverup--and-i-was-part-of-it-8209762.html

if there was any point in asking John Herety that question.

Thanks cycle chic, that one has made my day.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I actually agree with this though. All of this nonsense about "roid rage", no proof whatsoever. Abusing something will kill you with pretty much anything, including water.

The best spokesperson for the absurdity of the idea that steroids make you more aggressive is Jose Canseco with his string of arrests for violence related crime.

 

[sniper]

Remember the Spanish King interfering with the cowtador case? I expect nothin less from Q. Elizabeth should Cookson or Reedie get any ideas about fighting doping in the UK.

 

[blackcat]

Don't worry, at least they won't win the World Cup!

Sorry Sniper, but I can't tell you the Brits are fundamentally different to the Germans and Spanish. I think they might be worse as they have the gall to slander past cheats and proclaim themselves as clean beacons and the saviors of clean world sports. Granted not all Brits, but the moral high a lot get from Britain being 'cleaner and morally superior' is nauseating.

thats paula radcliffes role and she got hit by the ugly stick. what is that old wive's tale about dont tell a lie cos when the wind blows it will free your face.

None of this surprises me. None of it at all. 72 years old as well? Pound is only just 71 I was reading today and he quit years ago. What is this bloke going to do? Nothing proactive IMO. Get someone younger with impetus and vigor for fighting doping. Someone with a plan and a clue as how to tackle doping. Someone who will fight, name and shame the dopers and organisations and sports that are dirty.

I am not going to hold my breath.

i give sport another decade, before they all dope

 

[blackcat]

You live in the UK? Did you know people can legally homebrew steroids still? They used to, until recently, be able to homebrew and sell in the UK. Now they stopped the local selling, and you can still make steroids, or whatever for that matter, in your own kitchen compounding pharmacy lab!

I actually agree with this though. All of this nonsense about "roid rage", no proof whatsoever. Abusing something will kill you with pretty much anything, including water.

But, this is off topic of Brits/cycling and doping.

AFL going thru this

 

[blackcat]

The best spokesperson for the absurdity of the idea that steroids make you more aggressive is Jose Canseco with his string of arrests for violence related crime.

but, what is the counter-factual.

type A personalities. leaning to conflict as their native disposition.

does a roid rager, do no roid rage(r)?

prove it? we cant. may well be just, we are selecting the most likely sample to be susceptible to conflict. a self elective sample this is

 

[Galic Ho]

thats paula radcliffes role and she got hit by the ugly stick. what is that old wive's tale about dont tell a lie cos when the wind blows it will free your face.

i give sport another decade, before they all dope

What the hell is that on her neck?

As for all of them doping. Your plan to legalise doping might be the only option if that comes true. Just sit back and let them have at it.

I am sure some bookies in India will love taking odds on who dies from juicing too much in the 2023 Tour. Maybe that's what Froome is relying on...changing the rules to making doping legal knowing they won't go and test anyone because hey, if you're not doping, you're not going anywhere!

If that happens I'd expect the Chinese and North Koreans to go nuts! Open season every season! Put them Brits to shame!

 

[murali]

strange to see that no one has said anything regarding the rigor of testing in UK. I definitely like to see how often has the brit anti-doping establishment actually conducted meaningful tests. Had to wait for the french report after tdf to see how often(?) french guys test.


as someone suggested earlier, the perception is that the number of successful british is very less. the nationalist in a brit will never accept that the podium finishers were doped. Also, in another reference to a doping instance, the response was that-must-be-one-off or we-XYZ-never-dope-like-the-rest.


personally, i believe that being born a brit or spaniard or from any other country doesn't stop anyone from doping. If language or culture was a criteria, then many countries wont feature in the doping list. Also, the economic or class argument is pure BS. Morally and ethically, people born to middle-class background are less likely to dope.

Argument regarding income doesn't make much sense too. The professionals who look to sports already know that they are probably going to earn more in a blue collar job than in their chosen sport. Only top athletes earn a decent income. all others earn either less than or on par with their national average.

 

[mikeoneill]

plenty of brits doping

but they're smarter than you're average doper

 

[Galic Ho]

Argument regarding income doesn't make much sense too. The professionals who look to sports already know that they are probably going to earn more in a blue collar job than in their chosen sport. Only top athletes earn a decent income. all others earn either less than or on par with their national average.

Which is why you join team Sky, wait till your contract is up for renewal and go balls to the wall with doping. It's worth the risk financially. Chris Froome and Porte's earning have gone through the roof. If the team can protect you and pay to get your foot in the door with the UCI, yeah, contract wise, it's worth every penny to a rider to have a crack.

But you've gotta fit the mold the UCI are selling to everyone at that time. 15 yeas back that was LA. Then it switched to the Southern Europeans. Now it's Anglo Saxon's again, but Sky riders first.

Just ask Wiggins. It's why he did what he did. The money. Doing what he needed to do to finish behind Armstrong in the 2009 Tour was simply foresight given from Brailsford who knew Sky were looking and had money to spend. Made sense to dope and try. Outlay is worth the reward fiscally. That and the missus in your ear saying she needs more shoes.

 

[oldcrank]

Brilliant win by Mo Farah in the 10K at the World Champs
in Moscow today. I don't know of any connection between
Mo and the evil genius David Brailsford, but I do know they
both believe in training hard, training smart and competing
clean. Well done Mo! I'm not exactly sure how/if Mr. Farah
fits into the Anglo-Saxon conspiracy theories that abound
in the forums, but regardless, it was another fantastic run
by a sensational, exciting athlete. Cheers, mate, and best
of luck in the 5K!!

 

[mikeoneill]

Brilliant win by Mo Farah in the 10K at the World Champs
in Moscow today. I don't know of any connection between
Mo and the evil genius David Brailsford, but I do know they
both believe in training hard, training smart and dopping. Well done Mo! I'm not exactly sure how/if Mr. Farah
fits into the Anglo-Saxon conspiracy theories that abound
in the forums, but regardless, it was another fantastic run
by a sensational, exciting dopper. Cheers, mate, and best
of luck in the 5K!!

fixed your post

 

[del1962]

Whats a dopper?

 

[mikeoneill]

the africans can't run the sting out of mo because of the anti-dopping clampdown


they can run fast time trials when the testers are away


the fast marathons are over now and times will go back to 2-07/2-08

 

[JimmyFingers]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/reedie-lines-up-to-replace-fahey-as-wada-head

You're all f***ed now, the Brits are gradually gaining total power over all sports including the testings and from now on no-one else will win anything

#trollolololo