Brits don't dope?

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laurel1969

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I'm sure you are right. In fact, its probably only all the outrageous doping that makes breaking a European 2 mile record so easy that he has time to think about spitting on a photographer, and not miss.
 
Having flagged 2 athletes to UKAD that I know are dodgy and they have done nothing it would appear that their confidential dob line is a good way of reducing positives and thus eliminating bad publicity.

Testing works!
 
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Benotti69 said:
Start a 'Scots don't dope' thread after they gain independence....:D I am sure Wee Rab Millar will contribute ;)

Won't they still be British though, as in they're from the British Isles?
 

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Hawkwood said:
Won't they still be British though, as in they're from the British Isles?

The next generation would be British (dual nationality) but their children would lose the right to have a UK passport
 
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laurel1969 said:
The next generation would be British (dual nationality) but their children would lose the right to have a UK passport

I was making a rather weak point that we're all effectively `British' as we're from the British Isles, the latter term coming I think from a medieval French one, where there was Bretagne, and Grande Bretagne, both places with lots of Celts.
 

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Hawkwood said:
I was making a rather weak point that we're all effectively `British' as we're from the British Isles, the latter term coming I think from a medieval French one, where there was Bretagne, and Grande Bretagne, both places with lots of Celts.

I got the weak point. Just thought I'd give you the actual answer :D
 
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laurel1969 said:
I got the weak point. Just thought I'd give you the actual answer :D

Yeah noted, thank you :)

I'm a mixture of Welsh, Cornish, Irish, Scottish, Scouse, with a little bit of English thrown in, so I've been confused all of my life:confused:
 
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Why Reedie is proving himself the right voice at the right time for WADA
This is not so much because of what Reedie says but the fact that he and WADA are now seen and heard to be saying it with a far busier outreach.
(what's "it"?)
No organisation should be judged by the volume of its press releases but clearly WADA, suddenly, is taking far more seriously the effort of putting out the message.
(ah, "the message")
While he is telling it how it is in London one day, so a doping issue is popping up in Istanbul or India.
http://keirradnedge.com/2014/09/08/why-reedie-is-proving-more-than-ever-the-right-voice-for-wada/
 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...d-doping-list-following-alleged-cover-up.html

One of Britain’s best known track and field stars is reportedly named on a list of 150 athletes from around the world who had suspicious blood values that were covered up.

Not to worry though. There will be an investigation. Independent of course.

Lord Coe, an IAAF vice-president who is standing in next August's election to be the organisation's president, called the allegations 'very serious' and promised any investigation into them will be completely independent.
'This is not in every country of the world - there are 213 federations,' he said. 'But you do have to say a disproportionate amount of the reputational damage is in a relatively small number of countries, and I think we have to recognise this.

'They are very serious allegations. The very fact that the allegations are in the public domain means that they are serious. So, we have to be very clear that this is a very, very difficult time for our sport.'

So, even when brits dope they don't dope? :confused:

Really looking forward to Reedie, Cookson and Coe cleaning up sports.
 
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Baron Coe. whose 800m record lasted from 1981 to 1997. Even EPO took years to catch up with it. Former FIFA Ethics Committee Member. :p
 
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bewildered said:
Baron Coe. whose 800m record lasted from 1981 to 1997. Even EPO took years to catch up with it. Former FIFA Ethics Committee Member. :p

perhaps he should investiage himself :rolleyes:

wonder who this brit is.. would be fun if it was Radcliffe
 
the sceptic said:
perhaps he should investiage himself :rolleyes:

wonder who this brit is.. would be fun if it was Radcliffe

Is there more info on this. The article says "reportedly", so we don't know if its true, and if it is seems to be in the still easy cover up stage.

That said "best known track and field stars" could still be a hyperbole, and some nobody. Or Dwain Chambers who already is a scapegoat. Ideally it would be actualy one of the "best known" track and field stars and someone who won and Olympic gold or 2.
 
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The Hitch said:
Is there more info on this. The article says "reportedly", so we don't know if its true, and if it is seems to be in the still easy cover up stage.

That said "best known track and field stars" could still be a hyperbole, and some nobody. Or Dwain Chambers who already is a scapegoat. Ideally it would be actualy one of the "best known" track and field stars and someone who won and Olympic gold or 2.

I know sprinters use EPO as well, but I'm thinking if the values were off the charts then it's more likely to be some long distance runner.

The programme alleged that the IAAF failed to follow up the suspicious readings with what is known as target testing, something that was necessary in order to impose a ban.

It quoted a whistle-blower it said was a long-time member of the IAAF medical commission, who commented on the readings: “This is clear that it cannot be on natural abilities. It can only be doping.”

The list was said to have been compiled between 2006 and 2008, before the introduction into athletics of the biological passport, which monitors the longitudinal blood values of competitors.

a bit too early for Farah probably?
 
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The Hitch said:
Is there more info on this. The article says "reportedly", so we don't know if its true, and if it is seems to be in the still easy cover up stage.

That said "best known track and field stars" could still be a hyperbole, and some nobody. Or Dwain Chambers who already is a scapegoat. Ideally it would be actualy one of the "best known" track and field stars and someone who won and Olympic gold or 2.

It is someone with suspicious blood values from around 2006 to 2008. I'm reading that as some screening they are doing in the run up to the haematolgical modul of the bio passport, which WADA introduced in December 2009. That would point towards oxygen vector doping = mid/long distance running or possibly hep/decathlon. But I could be completely wrong.
 
neineinei said:
It is someone with suspicious blood values from around 2006 to 2008. I'm reading that as some screening they are doing in the run up to the haematolgical modul of the bio passport, which WADA introduced in December 2009. That would point towards oxygen vector doping = mid/long distance running or possibly hep/decathlon. But I could be completely wrong.

Be surprised it was Radcliffe - she was injured and / or pregnant for a lot of that time period. The best part of her career was before then anyway, and I wouldn't describe her as Track and Field.

Chambers was pretty much shunned after his return in 2006 - although he did take EPO when training, he had good advice on what the glow times were so probably wouldn't be silly enough to go mad.

Now Christine Ohuruogu on the other hand has served a whereabouts suspension just around that time ...

Other than the above and Philips Idowu I actually cant think of any Track & Field 'stars'. I didn't think we had any at that time.
 
TheSpud said:
Be surprised it was Radcliffe - she was injured and / or pregnant for a lot of that time period. The best part of her career was before then anyway, and I wouldn't describe her as Track and Field.

Chambers was pretty much shunned after his return in 2006 - although he did take EPO when training, he had good advice on what the glow times were so probably wouldn't be silly enough to go mad.

Now Christine Ohuruogu on the other hand has served a whereabouts suspension just around that time ...

Other than the above and Philips Idowu I actually cant think of any Track & Field 'stars'. I didn't think we had any at that time.

If we're talking about 'well known' stars, then you have to think we're talking about Olympic medalists, & 2006-2008 only leaves us with the 2008 Olympiad, that was a very poor year for Britain with only 4 medalists.

Field:
Phillips Idowu, Triple jump, Silver
Germaine Mason, High jump, Silver

Track:
Christine Ohuruogu, 400m, Gold
Tasha Danvers, 400mm Hurdles, Bronze

Only one name stands out to me really ....
 
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keeponrollin said:
If we're talking about 'well known' stars, then you have to think we're talking about Olympic medalists, & 2006-2008 only leaves us with the 2008 Olympiad, that was a very poor year for Britain with only 4 medalists.

Field:
Phillips Idowu, Triple jump, Silver
Germaine Mason, High jump, Silver

Track:
Christine Ohuruogu, 400m, Gold
Tasha Danvers, 400mm Hurdles, Bronze

Only one name stands out to me really ....

Mo Farah................
 
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If I was betting it'd have to be all in on Ohuruogu surely.

However I should point out Farah did get a silver at the European champs in 2006 for 5k. Greg Rutherford also got a silver at the very same event.

Both of those names would fit the bill also.
 
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TheSpud said:
Be surprised it was Radcliffe - she was injured and / or pregnant for a lot of that time period. The best part of her career was before then anyway, and I wouldn't describe her as Track and Field.

Chambers was pretty much shunned after his return in 2006 - although he did take EPO when training, he had good advice on what the glow times were so probably wouldn't be silly enough to go mad.

Now Christine Ohuruogu on the other hand has served a whereabouts suspension just around that time ...

Other than the above and Philips Idowu I actually cant think of any Track & Field 'stars'. I didn't think we had any at that time.

Even if he isn't glowing enough to test positive his blood profile will probably be all over the place.
 
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bewildered said:
Baron Coe. whose 800m record lasted from 1981 to 1997. Even EPO took years to catch up with it. Former FIFA Ethics Committee Member. :p

And customer of Conconi.....

Seb should tell us about what he and the good doctor did in Sestriere
 
neineinei said:
Even if he isn't glowing enough to test positive his blood profile will probably be all over the place.

True, but thinking about it, if it was him I reckon they would have thrown him under the bus once and for all. He definitely spat in the athletics soup from their point of view.
 
keeponrollin said:
If we're talking about 'well known' stars, then you have to think we're talking about Olympic medalists, & 2006-2008 only leaves us with the 2008 Olympiad, that was a very poor year for Britain with only 4 medalists.

Field:
Phillips Idowu, Triple jump, Silver
Germaine Mason, High jump, Silver

Track:
Christine Ohuruogu, 400m, Gold
Tasha Danvers, 400mm Hurdles, Bronze

Only one name stands out to me really ....

There is one other. The one the London 2012 ultra hype train chose as its "face of the games".

World champion in Berlin and 4th in Osaka.