Brits don't dope?

[ralphbert]

She turned off her stopwatch in training and did an extra four hours.

I sense a mocking tone but have you considered her advanced use of pillows?

 

[Parker]

How does it make it more complex? Doesn't all women have men running around them?

In most major marathons the elite women start before the men. It lets TV show both races properly.

The IAAF recognises two World Records - one for for where the women run alongside the men and one for women only races.

 

[thehog]

I sense a mocking tone but have you considered her advanced use of pillows?

Its my understanding she won the London Marathon wearing cycling shoes

 

[The Hitch]

I´d say Bolt is clean. He broke junior records that still stand. So it´s absolutely possible to break 100 m WRs by 0.2 seconds that before were broken by 0.02 seconds every 20 years or so...

Well someone has changed their opinion a little bit.

I was in the stadium with my daughter today from 10am am till 11 pm (all jamaican women and men won EVERY race, whether Qualification or Finals). What i saw was unreal !! I mean i saw Michael Johnsons 19,32 in the stadium live in Atlanta in 1996 and tought: unbelievable. But today, no, it was unreal. I am still shocked. My daughter is 9 and she asked what "product" did Bolt use. OMG, if i had those drugs in the early 90s, i could have improved my fastball from 74 to 82 mph right up to the minor leagues. Now i suffer in a "normal" job. All said and done: I said it before, Football, Track and Swimming is wayyyy worse then cycling. I am going to think to give up sports completely, it makes no sense anymore. Its abnormal and sick.

To be honest i was just going to the stadium today, coz my daughter really wanted it. I had my fun, my emotions and all, but after all, in the end, i am doubting BIG. Its not the way it used to be...

The bad part is that most of the pipo believe in what they saw. It seems here in the clinic are the only pipo who see whats going on.

The crowd cheered "Bolt, Bolt". I mean of course, the crowd was great and wild, the emotions were high etc. But still the first thing in my mind was omg what Drugs have they gone to. I tought the early 80s and late 70s were bad. Now it seems those were the good times in sports. Its absurd.

History repeats itself and pipo turn a blind side to it. Its like when everybody cheered Ben Johnson (or Epo-Lance or Phelps) and tried to explain how great it was and why he was so fast. Nobody mentioned Doping. His record was also 0,13 seconds better then the 2nd. It never happened before that. The records used to be broken by 0,01-0,03.

The old drugs were placebos as Peter Winnen said, now its a whole new game. May we all should start to believe BroDeal now?? It seems its worse then what we all discuss here (BroDeal, Maserati, BlackCat, Berospenner, Cobblestons etc.).

Up to yesterday i believed what i learned: You can improve the "slow/short" muscles above the physiological limit, but not the "fast/long" ones. Now Doping-Science is re-written and nobody outside the clinic and the experts (investigative journalists, Scientists, Docs) see it. Its a big cheating to our kids. Thats the worst part.

But improving by 0,45 sec. in 2 years? Even Epo-Lance would be proud of this. Thats like improving by 3 mins. at a long ITT. Well,then again, Epo-Lance did exactly do that.

So which drug is it now? I think BroDeal knows

 

[The Hitch]

So it's impressive that Parker offers a defence (or at least questions the conclusions that have been drawn) even though he does not like her? Yes, I believe so.

It's telling that he thinks his dislike for an athlete is a valid point to bring up in their defense. Anyone who approaches doping discussions honestly totally ignores any pre biases they have when examining the question of whether someone dopes

Keep up

 

[Granville57]

Its my understanding she won the London Marathon wearing cycling shoes

"F@#$ing cycling shoes!"

Well someone has changed their opinion a little bit.

It's been sorted.

IOW: The part "Bolt is clean" was the sarcasm part of my post.

 

[thehog]

"F@#$ing cycling shoes!"

Yes! Shane Sutton and Dave Brailsford couldn’t believe it. They said they needed to keep an eye on that Radcliffe girl. And, well, the rest is history as they say.

I also heard she once beat Tour de France champion Alberto Contador in a coffee drinking contest.

 

[Digger]

Apparently it was a mixture of a few things with Radcliffe - tactical awareness...she had a habit of running backwards at one stage.

She then decided to lose some weight.

Her road handling skills have also improved - she used to fall off the road a lot onto the footpath.

Some of the innovative marginal gains she has been using: runners.....sports bra......socks.....shorts.....
Her coach listed of all things which could make a difference and reverse engineered - they started off with feet...now she wears runners. Simple but all the best ideas are simple. Then they said how can we innovate further...someone said let's ditch the tracksuit bottoms - and the shorts idea was born - they allow the legs to move more freely. 980,000 pounds went into those two ideas alone. With those two ideas, we already have five percent gained on those who take EPO.

Paula just felt if we can add all thess minute details up, then we can bridge the gap to the EPO athletes.
Hair - black hair was said to weigh heavier than blonde - so she had a hair transplant.

Stopping for toilet break - time wasting - more gains there...just let it flow.

To be honest I kind of wish lance had thought of this stuff...but you live and learn I guess.

 

[The Hitch]

There are 3-4 people here who genuinely impress me with their thinking, consistently. I'm comfortable they're nothing like what you describe.

It's such a troll cop out to claim that everyone in the clinic thinks every one is doping. It's a sky defenders method to distract from the clearly unreal nature of froome and wiggos tdf wins to try and paint those who accuse their favourite riders if doping as being robots who simply accuse everyone of doping.

Makes it look like the opinions are not based on the mountain of evidence that those riders are cheated, and instead just preset opinions that apply to everyone.

That said, the irony is that someone who thinks everyone is doping, would have historical justification for believing that what with cycling in the mid 2000's being uncovered as just that.

Parker will never engage in a scientific or sociological debate on the realities of doping, it's economics, what motivates people to do so, the effects it has.

He just flames and mocks people as cynics, the same way his first hero patronizingly claimed on the podium in Paris that he feels sorry for those who cannot believe.

Why discuss things when you can just paint people with a false broad brush and then dismiss them.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Well someone has changed their opinion a little bit.

How? I said back then and now that Bolt is a doper.

 

[the sceptic]

Yes! Shane Sutton and Dave Brailsford couldn’t believe it. They said they needed to keep an eye on that Radcliffe girl. And, well, the rest is history as they say.

I also heard she once beat Tour de France champion Alberto Contador in a coffee drinking contest.

One time when she adjusted the lacing on her shoes, she gained 10 minutes in the marathon.

 

[Parker]

It's telling that he thinks his dislike for an athlete is a valid point to bring up in their defense. Anyone who approaches doping discussions honestly totally ignores any pre biases they have when examining the question of whether someone dopes

Keep up

It's not telling at all. In an environment where every defender is characterised as a fanboy, a bot or a nationalist, it is valid information.

Everyone has pre biases. By ignoring them, you only fail to acknowledge them.

It's such a troll cop out to claim that everyone in the clinic thinks every one is doping.

Name someone you have defended against the doping crowd. Some piece of 'evidence' of doping that you have disputed. None? Maybe you have a pre bias you need to acknowledge?

Parker will never engage in a scientific or sociological debate on the realities of doping, it's economics, what motivates people to do so, the effects it has.

I almost always debate the supposed facts and people's perception of them. That's really what interests me

He just flames and mocks people as cynics, the same way his first hero patronizingly claimed on the podium in Paris that he feels sorry for those who cannot believe.

My first hero? I don't think Indiana Jones has won the Tour. Oh, you're trying to label me as an Armstrong fan. That's pretty desperate. I was always more an Ullrich man.

Why discuss things when you can just paint people with a false broad brush and then dismiss them.

How about you debate the points I make rather than try and characterise me. Christopher Hitchens would be ashamed for you to carry his name.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It's been sorted.

Ahh ok, Hitch didn´t saw that. Wow, was my sarcasm sooo much hidden? I thought my original post was conclusive...
Anyway, it´s better I always use from now on, if it´s meant sarcastic.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Parker will never engage in a scientific or sociological debate on the realities of doping, it's economics, what motivates people to do so, the effects it has.

He just flames and mocks people as cynics, the same way his first hero patronizingly claimed on the podium in Paris that he feels sorry for those who cannot believe.

Why discuss things when you can just paint people with a false broad brush and then dismiss them.

Speaking of another poster in this manner is flaming and mocking, and not for the first time. It's harrassing, is it not? Leave him alone. Should you not attack the content when you see it, not the poster?

Actually I don't agree he does that, but we come from different viewpoints on this and I am content with that.

 

[Chipist]

Hmmmm, why the mention in this article?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/two-more-join-kenya-drugs-hall-of-shame-9929466.html

Why the needs to metion her in this?

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/two-more-join-kenya-drugs-hall-of-shame-9929466.html

Why the needs to metion her in this?

We need to be sure the brits are still clean.

If Radcliffe says they are then we can sleep easy at night and not have to worry.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

hope this aint a coyle efficiency study.

can i peer review the coyle study never having studied any science in highschool or uni?

I downloaded it to read it later, but that was my immediate thought also. Another Ed Coyle fanboy piece. Do we have a Coggan analog to defend the "science" ad infinitum?

ETA: Catwhoorg's post

 

[Chipist]

She trains in Eldoret with Mo Farah though, so since he is cleans she must be too. There is a bit of suspicion around the place though, she would be much better off high altitude training on Teide, she could even pick some marginal gains tips up from Sky. Clean hands clean blood.

 

[ray j willings]

That he's broken doped WR's, with an almost non-existent anti-doping anything in Jamaica suggests it's possible he was doped from an early age.

Was he *for sure?* No way to know. But the IAAF has been shown to be ridiculously corrupt, so career-long doping is a real likelihood.

I agree about the IAFF. just not convinced about Bolt doping from an early age.

We know in cycling that doping started very early as it was the culture. Also you had the eastern bloc countries running doping programme's from an early age and China all of a sudden producing stunning results [ swimming esp] leading up and beyond their Olympics , I just don't see that kind of thing happening in Jamaica starting a doping programme at a young age.

 

[thehog]

Apparently it was a mixture of a few things with Radcliffe - tactical awareness...she had a habit of running backwards at one stage.

She then decided to lose some weight.

Her road handling skills have also improved - she used to fall off the road a lot onto the footpath.

Some of the innovative marginal gains she has been using: runners.....sports bra......socks.....shorts.....
Her coach listed of all things which could make a difference and reverse engineered - they started off with feet...now she wears runners. Simple but all the best ideas are simple. Then they said how can we innovate further...someone said let's ditch the tracksuit bottoms - and the shorts idea was born - they allow the legs to move more freely. 980,000 pounds went into those two ideas alone. With those two ideas, we already have five percent gained on those who take EPO.

Paula just felt if we can add all thess minute details up, then we can bridge the gap to the EPO athletes.
Hair - black hair was said to weigh heavier than blonde - so she had a hair transplant.

Stopping for toilet break - time wasting - more gains there...just let it flow.

To be honest I kind of wish lance had thought of this stuff...but you live and learn I guess.

Funniest thing I've read since Walsh's last book...

 

[red_flanders]

It's such a troll cop out to claim that everyone in the clinic thinks every one is doping. It's a sky defenders method to distract from the clearly unreal nature of froome and wiggos tdf wins to try and paint those who accuse their favourite riders if doping as being robots who simply accuse everyone of doping.

Makes it look like the opinions are not based on the mountain of evidence that those riders are cheated, and instead just preset opinions that apply to everyone.

Boy howdy.

 

[Chipist]

Apparently it was a mixture of a few things with Radcliffe - tactical awareness...she had a habit of running backwards at one stage.

She then decided to lose some weight.

Her road handling skills have also improved - she used to fall off the road a lot onto the footpath.

Some of the innovative marginal gains she has been using: runners.....sports bra......socks.....shorts.....
Her coach listed of all things which could make a difference and reverse engineered - they started off with feet...now she wears runners. Simple but all the best ideas are simple. Then they said how can we innovate further...someone said let's ditch the tracksuit bottoms - and the shorts idea was born - they allow the legs to move more freely. 980,000 pounds went into those two ideas alone. With those two ideas, we already have five percent gained on those who take EPO.

Paula just felt if we can add all thess minute details up, then we can bridge the gap to the EPO athletes.
Hair - black hair was said to weigh heavier than blonde - so she had a hair transplant.

Stopping for toilet break - time wasting - more gains there...just let it flow.

To be honest I kind of wish lance had thought of this stuff...but you live and learn I guess.

She understands physics, that 0.5 kilo log was 1/100th of her weight, all part of marginal gains.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Speaking of another poster in this manner is flaming and mocking, and not for the first time. It's harrassing, is it not? Leave him alone. Should you not attack the content when you see it, not the poster?

Actually I don't agree he does that, but we come from different viewpoints on this and I am content with that.

If you have a problem with posts, report them. Trying to "moderate" people will only get you stick.

I am not telling you what to post, or whether you can, and I realise you are trying to enforce rules, but as someone new here you might need a helping hand.

 

[peloton]

Apparently it was a mixture of a few things with Radcliffe - tactical awareness...she had a habit of running backwards at one stage.

She then decided to lose some weight.

Her road handling skills have also improved - she used to fall off the road a lot onto the footpath.

Some of the innovative marginal gains she has been using: runners.....sports bra......socks.....shorts.....
Her coach listed of all things which could make a difference and reverse engineered - they started off with feet...now she wears runners. Simple but all the best ideas are simple. Then they said how can we innovate further...someone said let's ditch the tracksuit bottoms - and the shorts idea was born - they allow the legs to move more freely. 980,000 pounds went into those two ideas alone. With those two ideas, we already have five percent gained on those who take EPO.

Paula just felt if we can add all thess minute details up, then we can bridge the gap to the EPO athletes.
Hair - black hair was said to weigh heavier than blonde - so she had a hair transplant.

Stopping for toilet break - time wasting - more gains there...just let it flow.

To be honest I kind of wish lance had thought of this stuff...but you live and learn I guess.

Haha, well put.

One thing that both PR and Froome share, is their ridiculous style. Tactics not their strong side either..

 

[wrinklyvet]

If you have a problem with posts, report them. Trying to "moderate" people will only get you stick.

I am not telling you what to post, or whether you can, and I realise you are trying to enforce rules, but as someone new here you might need a helping hand.

Thank you. I will take this advice if occasion arises.