Brits don't dope?

[Benotti69]

It's taken eleven years for this story about Brailsford supplying Millar to come out. Well done to the detective work of those here responsible for uncovering the truth.

Oh it gets worse! Did you know he supplied the track team with rounder wheels and TeamSky with pillows cases that gave extra power. There is no low that the evil Davey Brailford will not stoop too. I hear he takes candy from children

 

[Ventoux Boar]

take a step back....

if two clubbers (think the second summer of love) get arrested for the alleged possession of drugs and clubber one gets arrested after they find some

.....would you 'seriously' take seriously clubber two saying that on his release he had to take clubber one aside to ask him what was going on??????????

give us a break ....transporting or not his position doesn't pass the straight face test, like froome, like wiggins, like JTL etc etc.....

'Dave the Rave'. All that suppressed emotion has to come out somehow. I'm not a particular fan of the public man, but this is one episode that I think reflects very well on his human side. The temptation to get as far away from a major drugs scandal, as head of a large Olympic squad must have been intense. But he appears, as reflected in Millar's book, to have hung about to support Millar. Classy.

 

[Benotti69]

'Dave the Rave'. All that suppressed emotion has to come out somehow. I'm not a particular fan of the public man, but this is one episode that I think reflects very well on his human side. The temptation to get as far away from a major drugs scandal, as head of a large Olympic squad must have been intense. But he appears, as reflected in Millar's book, to have hung about to support Millar. Classy.

Maybe the Gendarmes said, "dont go anywhere we may not be finished with you."

Classy? Brailsford? Dont make me laugh......

 

[sniper]

Im not disputing the fact that Brailsford might be mixed up in doping sky riders, that's definatley possible. Its the possibility that he is carting the stuff around Europe on his own person that I find ridiculous.

that possibility hasn't been posited by anyone.
myself i said as a family favor he may have brought some candies with him when he went to France to visit his brother in law. Perhaps you prefer Millar's version:

After two and a half hours they found empty phials of Eprex, a brand of the blood-boosting drug EPO, and two used syringes. Millar said he had been given them as a gift at the Tour of Spain, that he had taken them to Manchester and used them. After that he had kept them as a souvenir.

Anyway, we have facts (Brailsford, Millar dining, both taken in, drugs being found), and we have several accounts of how these facts relate to each other.

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.....would you 'seriously' take seriously clubber two saying that on his release he had to take clubber one aside to ask him what was going on??????????

give us a break ....transporting or not his position doesn't pass the straight face test, like froome, like wiggins, like JTL etc etc.....

this indeed.
As mentioned already, if you look at 2004 articles about Millar's arrest, there is nowhere mention of Brailsford being taken in as well. It seems that that part of the story was hushed up initially. Would love to know how/when that bit of info eventually came into the public domain. Was it through Millar's book?

 

[bobbins]

Oh it gets worse! Did you know he supplied the track team with rounder wheels and TeamSky with pillows cases that gave extra power. There is no low that the evil Davey Brailford will not stoop too. I hear he takes candy from children

The wheels might not have been extra round but Dave B dodged a bullet on this one. They certainly weren't stock mavic wheels.

 

[TheSpud]

Well isn't the story Millar didn't fess up until 47 hours into his capativity, wouldn't the French cops lean on Brailsford for longer to see whether he'd break first, or would they have needed a warrant to hold him longer?

They questioned him for 5 hours according to the article. I'm sure if they thought he was involved he would have been there much longer.

 

[Benotti69]

The wheels might not have been extra round but Dave B dodged a bullet on this one. They certainly weren't stock mavic wheels.

Do you think he might have lied.......

 

[TheSpud]

It's taken eleven years for this story about Brailsford supplying Millar to come out. Well done to the detective work of those here responsible for uncovering the truth.

Yes, hurrah for the Clinic 12 (11) - what would we have done without them ...

 

[Avoriaz]

that possibility hasn't been posited by anyone.
myself i said as a family favor he may have brought some candies with him when he went to France to visit his brother in law. Perhaps you prefer Millar's version:

?

What does Brailsford's brother in law have to do with this?

 

[sniper]

What does Brailsford's brother in law have to do with this?

sorry, probably nothing.thanks for the correction.


but to get things straight:
Fran Millar was running David's business from 2000 onwards, even in charge of David's nutrition.
In 2007 she is invited by Dave B. to help found Team Sky.
dodgy as ****.
has that been discussed somewhere?
Has David Millar ever mentioned anything about the role of his sister in his own doping? I guess not?

 

[sniper]

...
Remember Fran Millar knew her brother was doping in 2004 when Brailsford was lining him up for TeamGB Olympic TT Greece team...

Did D. Millar ever admit that?
In any case, she orchestrated his nutrition.

Q: So how did the Saunier tie-in happen?

Peter SLater (S.i.S.): It?s pretty-much down to David Millar, when he was a skinny kid going to France at 18 we received a request to help him with sports nutrition. That relationship continued right through into his Cofidis days although it was his sister we dealt with, I didn?t actually meet David until 2003.
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/toolbox/science-in-sport-joining-the-pro-tour/#.VPlhmuHpVpI

Then in 2007 she's asked by Brailsford to join in the foundation of Team Sky.

Kimmage was right to put the heat on Brailsford in that 2009 interview.
It's dodgy as hell.

 

[Benotti69]

Did D. Millar ever admit that?
In any case, she orchestrated his nutrition.

I read an interview with Fran Millar where she admitted she knew he was doping. She says he never told her ( i dont believe that) but she knew because everyone was doping back then (her phrase).

Fran Millar was also her brother and other riders agent. If she knew about his doping, then so did Brailsford.

Then in 2007 she's asked by Brailsford to join in the foundation of Team Sky.

Kimmage was right to put the heat on Brailsford in that 2009 interview.
It's dodgy as hell.

Kimmage got the boot from Sunday Times. They obviously though he was not going to get 'on message' about TeamSky and would be bad for business.

 

[zebedee]

Funny you should mention Redgrave. Wasn't the British olympic rowing coach involved in the East German doping programme? I think the claim was made on his behalf that being a coach, he wasn't by definition, a doping doctor and that everything was OK therefore.

 

[bobbins]

Given that Millar was one of many riders who bleached their hair when rumours came around of a dope test that could detect EPO use by analysing hair, you'd have to be pretty dumb to think he wasn't on the gear.

His sister has fingers in many pies.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Given that Millar was one of many riders who bleached their hair when rumours came around of a dope test that could detect EPO use by analysing hair, you'd have to be pretty dumb to think he wasn't on the gear.

His sister has fingers in many pies.

The recent trend for growing beards (led by Sir Wiggins no less), is also worrying. Some of these riders appear to be disguising themselves with beards so that the drugs testers can't recognise them. No surprises that Cookson isn't stamping down on this, yet more evidence he is not sincere in his battle against doping.

 

[bobbins]

The recent trend for growing beards (led by Sir Wiggins no less), is also worrying. Some of these riders appear to be disguising themselves with beards so that the drugs testers can't recognise them. No surprises that Cookson isn't stamping down on this, yet more evidence he is not sincere in his battle against doping.

That all makes perfect sense. 2 riders have grown beards.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Funny you should mention Redgrave. Wasn't the British olympic rowing coach involved in the East German doping programme? I think the claim was made on his behalf that being a coach, he wasn't by definition, a doping doctor and that everything was OK therefore.

I don't think Jurgen Grobler would have had a huge amount of choice in being involved in doping in East Germany, whatever his views on the subject. His East German ladies were mightily successful, though, a fact (along with the success of the East German female swimmers and speedskaters) that appears to have eluded Mr Tygart.

Worth noting that Redgrave was a double Olympic champion and triple world champion (including the coxless and coxed pair double in 1987) before the Iron Curtain came down.

 

[Benotti69]

I don't think Jurgen Grobler would have had a huge amount of choice in being involved in doping in East Germany, whatever his views on the subject. His East German ladies were mightily successful, though, a fact (along with the success of the East German female swimmers and speedskaters) that appears to have eluded Mr Tygart.

Worth noting that Redgrave was a double Olympic champion and triple world champion (including the coxless and coxed pair double in 1987) before the Iron Curtain came down.

Plenty of athletes change coaches, trainers and doctors over their careers in the search for better performance. That doesn't mean Redgrave was not doping before Grobler came along. If what he was doing before was working why then work with Grobler. As Redgrave got older did his 'training' need to be 'upped'.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

That doesn't mean Redgrave was not doping before Grobler came along. If what he was doing before was working why then work with Grobler?

Redgrave's long term coach, Mike Spracklen, left the Uk after the 1989 World Champs to coach the Canadians, so he needed a new coach. Plus, Redgrave's successful partnership with Andy Holmes had broken up after the 1988 OGs and his new partnerships didn't work out initially, so something needed to change. (The main "something" was the arrival of Matt Pinsent and his horse-like lungs!)

Grobler was actually hired by Leander Club rather than "Team GB" initially, and one of my old Uni rowing mates was coached by him whilst he was doing a PhD in rowing/metalurgy at Oxford. Grobler is an exceptional coach by all accounts. (My mate took many drugs, but favoured mind-altering rather than performance enhancing, so I'm pretty confident his assessment is based purely on coaching prowess.)

 

[King Boonen]

It's not a PhD at Oxford, it's a DPhil.

Pedantry over.

 

[TheSpud]

It's not a PhD at Oxford, it's a DPhil.

Pedantry over.

True. I didnt get in even at BA level so I never got to find out ...

 

[Benotti69]

Redgrave's long term coach, Mike Spracklen, left the Uk after the 1989 World Champs to coach the Canadians, so he needed a new coach. Plus, Redgrave's successful partnership with Andy Holmes had broken up after the 1988 OGs and his new partnerships didn't work out initially, so something needed to change. (The main "something" was the arrival of Matt Pinsent and his horse-like lungs!)

Grobler was actually hired by Leander Club rather than "Team GB" initially, and one of my old Uni rowing mates was coached by him whilst he was doing a PhD in rowing/metalurgy at Oxford. Grobler is an exceptional coach by all accounts. (My mate took many drugs, but favoured mind-altering rather than performance enhancing, so I'm pretty confident his assessment is based purely on coaching prowess.)

So a mate's opinion with a preference for 'mind-altering' substances can be trusted?

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

So a mate's opinion with a preference for 'mind-altering' substances can be trusted?

Lordy. You come up with some sh*t at times but this one takes the biscuit.

Of course someone I've known for 27 years, who is a partner in a city law firm, is married with three delightful kids, who rowed at a high level and was actually coached by Jurgen Grobler is someone whose view of Grobler's coaching abilities can be trusted!

Why don't you actually comment on the facts about Redgrave's career that I've highlighted and how they relate to your prior theories?

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

It's not a PhD at Oxford, it's a DPhil.

Pedantry over.

Thank you. I like a bit of pedantry, so these thanks are genuine!

 

[Freddythefrog]

Lordy. You come up with some sh*t at times but this one takes the biscuit.

Of course someone I've known for 27 years, who is a partner in a city law firm, is married with three delightful kids, who rowed at a high level and was actually coached by Jurgen Grobler is someone whose view of Grobler's coaching abilities can be trusted!

Why don't you actually comment on the facts about Redgrave's career that I've highlighted and how they relate to your prior theories?

Wrinkly tried pulling that one. He stated that he was a professional person and implied that because he was, his opinion, based on his long held belief in unicorns, was better than any ideas that unicorns did not exist, from people whose professional status he had no idea, but were obviously oiks, because they stated that they did not believe in unicorns.

Wallace - if you think that because somebody is a partner in a Law firm or a even made it to the bench they might not be blinded by their personal commitment to themselves, you are dreaming.

Throw in "the delightful kids", - just how weak is your argument. Keep them out of it.

English Law isn't getting out of the sewer on PEDs until it can do something about swallowing ***** from the BBC when in 2003 they promoted Lance as Overseas Sports Personality of the Year [Bolt is a 3 times winner. If I see that aged teen-ager Sue ("inside church" - its the way I tell 'em) Barker going weak at the knees when she talks about him, I swear I will destroy the TV] allowing this to prejudice opinion of what was obvious to anyone with half a functioning brain.

And I say that as a Brit who is so proud of so much of what the BBC put out, but somehow, the management there needs to grow some b***s and manage the overgrown kids it has spending other peoples money, making programs supporting their personal teen-age views.