PR was just on the BBC....
Discussing the recent German TV/Russia doping allegations. Was it just me or was she crying at the end of her words on it? Looked like she gulped at the end too. ...
Discussing the recent German TV/Russia doping allegations. Was it just me or was she crying at the end of her words on it? Looked like she gulped at the end too. ...
Brits dont dope
All the ex-athelets who work for the BBC must be costing the UK tax payers a fortune and they arn't going to spit in the soup !!!!
All the ex-athelets who work for the BBC must be costing the UK tax payers a fortune and they arn't going to spit in the soup !!!!
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Chipist said:
Was just coming onto say that I see PR presenting the indoor worlds on the BBC.
A clear picture is emerging of the attitude towards doping in senior circles here. Its perfectly fine, so long as your name isn't tarnished in the press.
Considering people like RR and apparently every journo that wanted to, saw the name of the guilty doper, if it was her (which all the evidence says it was), there is no way people at the bbc don't know she was a cheat.
But its fine. Its not cheating if the public isn't aware of it.
The Hitch said:
I would love to see how the beeb would handle it if she got caught.
I doubt she would get the Armstrong treatment.
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I enjoyed the BBC coverage from Prague but for two
minor details: I didn't like the way Phil pushed away
Dina during a lovely post 60m track-side interview to
grab Daphne; and I wish that Jo-Tho didn't have to
share her studio interview after her near WR win with
Baron Coe. It was good to see an interview with Seb
(and then today, Sergey) but it would have been nice
for Kat to have been the centre of attention after her
wonderful performance.
Congratulations to the Czech organization, athletes and
fans for putting on a fantastic and memorable event.
minor details: I didn't like the way Phil pushed away
Dina during a lovely post 60m track-side interview to
grab Daphne; and I wish that Jo-Tho didn't have to
share her studio interview after her near WR win with
Baron Coe. It was good to see an interview with Seb
(and then today, Sergey) but it would have been nice
for Kat to have been the centre of attention after her
wonderful performance.
Congratulations to the Czech organization, athletes and
fans for putting on a fantastic and memorable event.
Freddythefrog said:
Great Britain redefining hypocrisy.
(mind: I love a thousand things about Britain!
you guys rule in various domains.
)
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I luv Bojo.
I luv KP.
I luv de Pfeffel's facility with ancient greek and be able to riff the first 50 lines in The Iliad on a whim.
I dont luv the tories, but I hope Bojo gets ushered to the throne.
If, like the Roman leader Cincinnatus, I were to be called from my plough to serve in that office I wouldn't, of course, say No.
I luv KP.
I luv de Pfeffel's facility with ancient greek and be able to riff the first 50 lines in The Iliad on a whim.
I dont luv the tories, but I hope Bojo gets ushered to the throne.
If, like the Roman leader Cincinnatus, I were to be called from my plough to serve in that office I wouldn't, of course, say No.
Is Margaret Hodge a lurker or is she active ?
Heck that was a speedy response. I need to post some more messages about things that wind me up. Less than 24 hours since we decided the BBC needed some management capable of getting a grip.
Today Margaret Hodge Labour MP for Barking gets the head of the BBC trust in her sights and let's rip. Good on her
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc...resign-or-be-sacked-as-head-of-BBC-Trust.html
And to be fair I heard it on BBC Five Live after the Hein comedy sketch.
The story will make you weep !
Heck that was a speedy response. I need to post some more messages about things that wind me up. Less than 24 hours since we decided the BBC needed some management capable of getting a grip.
Today Margaret Hodge Labour MP for Barking gets the head of the BBC trust in her sights and let's rip. Good on her
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc...resign-or-be-sacked-as-head-of-BBC-Trust.html
And to be fair I heard it on BBC Five Live after the Hein comedy sketch.
The story will make you weep !
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Thought this thread was a better one than the "other sports" for this.
UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) has today confirmed that ice-hockey player Nicky Watt has been suspended from all sport for eight years following two anti-doping rule violations.
per that press release:
He refused to provide a urine sample during an out-of-competition test on 27 May 2014.
Mr Watt later tested positive for the anabolic steroid stanozolol, following an out-of-competition test on 17 June 2014.
Can't seem to access the pdf files right now, but there is both the decision and the appeal under the downloads which I will try again later to access.
UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) has today confirmed that ice-hockey player Nicky Watt has been suspended from all sport for eight years following two anti-doping rule violations.
per that press release:
He refused to provide a urine sample during an out-of-competition test on 27 May 2014.
Mr Watt later tested positive for the anabolic steroid stanozolol, following an out-of-competition test on 17 June 2014.
Can't seem to access the pdf files right now, but there is both the decision and the appeal under the downloads which I will try again later to access.
ouch, that's bitter.Catwhoorg said:
the guy is just 28 years old.
in a sport where steroids are widespread and the testing is a joke.
this guy probably paid the rent playing icehockey and not much more.
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The pdf files are now accessible.
It well worth reading them as there are some broader discussions with relevance to future cases.
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6720
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/b/6720
Firstly Mr Watt refused the sample, as he was out of contract for the next season. Pretty bad/dumb grounds for doing that but in a way understandable.
Then the following timeline: (taking the discussions at face value, the timeline below is basically not disputed by either party. The reason for taking the supplement isn't argued about as it is effectively irrelevant)
Then thinking he was already banned he takes some weight loss supplement (which he knows contains an illegal substance) to work on his beach body for vacation, but stops.
Gets the charging letter about the test refusal (June 13th sent, June 14th received)
Gets a 2nd OOC test, (June 17th) which he takes, and is dinged for steroids. (Notably not the one he thought was in the supplement).
Gets 2nd charging letter.
The fact that he got the notice of charge before the 2nd test, means it was a 2nd offense and hence 8 years. (The argument was advanced that this should be considered a single but aggravated offense of 4 years, which was the main thrust of the appeal).
One legal loophole explored is the date of a doping offense. Is it the point of ingestion or when the sample that results in the AAF is taken. The latter was the point advocated by UKAD, and with some good legal justifications. The tribunal agreed, as did the appeal.
(In simple terms one justification is that some substance only become prohibited by the act of competing. If player Y smokes weed, that in of itself is not a doping offense. However if he races/plays a game before it has cleared his body, then finding the metabolites would be such an offense.)
All in all I have some sympathy for Mr Watt, but am glad he is gone from the sport for 8 years. He was starting out as a personal trainer and coach for the sport. Someone who would use a supplement he knows to contain a banned substance is not someone who should be coaching in a sport, as he could well lead younger players down the wrong path.
It well worth reading them as there are some broader discussions with relevance to future cases.
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6720
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/b/6720
Firstly Mr Watt refused the sample, as he was out of contract for the next season. Pretty bad/dumb grounds for doing that but in a way understandable.
Then the following timeline: (taking the discussions at face value, the timeline below is basically not disputed by either party. The reason for taking the supplement isn't argued about as it is effectively irrelevant)
Then thinking he was already banned he takes some weight loss supplement (which he knows contains an illegal substance) to work on his beach body for vacation, but stops.
Gets the charging letter about the test refusal (June 13th sent, June 14th received)
Gets a 2nd OOC test, (June 17th) which he takes, and is dinged for steroids. (Notably not the one he thought was in the supplement).
Gets 2nd charging letter.
The fact that he got the notice of charge before the 2nd test, means it was a 2nd offense and hence 8 years. (The argument was advanced that this should be considered a single but aggravated offense of 4 years, which was the main thrust of the appeal).
One legal loophole explored is the date of a doping offense. Is it the point of ingestion or when the sample that results in the AAF is taken. The latter was the point advocated by UKAD, and with some good legal justifications. The tribunal agreed, as did the appeal.
(In simple terms one justification is that some substance only become prohibited by the act of competing. If player Y smokes weed, that in of itself is not a doping offense. However if he races/plays a game before it has cleared his body, then finding the metabolites would be such an offense.)
All in all I have some sympathy for Mr Watt, but am glad he is gone from the sport for 8 years. He was starting out as a personal trainer and coach for the sport. Someone who would use a supplement he knows to contain a banned substance is not someone who should be coaching in a sport, as he could well lead younger players down the wrong path.
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"Wells reacted furiously after receiving a letter from BBC Scotland journalist Mark Daly, who is conducting an investigation for the Panorama programme, alleging Wells and six other athletes were supplied with the banned steroid Stromba by James Ledingham, who was doctor to British Olympic sprinters at the Moscow Olympics."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11625979/Allan-Wells-furiously-denies-BBCs-doping-slur.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11625979/Allan-Wells-furiously-denies-BBCs-doping-slur.html
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From the Australian senate report on Drugs in sport (1989):
"there is hardly a medal winner at the Moscow Games, certainly not a gold medal winner...who is not on one sort of drug or another: usually several kinds. The Moscow Games might well have been called the Chemists' Games"
https://books.google.no/books?id=c4oQAR2G4OgC&pg=PA99&hl=no#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/ecita_ctte/completed_inquiries/pre1996/drugs-int/01ch1.pdf (p. 10)
"there is hardly a medal winner at the Moscow Games, certainly not a gold medal winner...who is not on one sort of drug or another: usually several kinds. The Moscow Games might well have been called the Chemists' Games"
https://books.google.no/books?id=c4oQAR2G4OgC&pg=PA99&hl=no#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/ecita_ctte/completed_inquiries/pre1996/drugs-int/01ch1.pdf (p. 10)
Re:
Well, of course it is possible......BUT
His time was so much slower than the best sprinters that year, who boycotted the games.
And the article in the Telegraph seemed slanted to me....speaking about his unexpected surge in performance....I don't have the times to hand, but most athletes peak at the Olympics, it's not difficult. But I think Wells was outside his PB then, someone with the proper records will no doubt put this in context.
The bit of his defence I find harder to believe is that he didn't see much of the doctor.....my recollection was he was notoriously worried about his health and fitness, even a hypochondriac, so unless he was seeing a different doctor, I would worry about his argument there
neineinei said:
Well, of course it is possible......BUT
His time was so much slower than the best sprinters that year, who boycotted the games.
And the article in the Telegraph seemed slanted to me....speaking about his unexpected surge in performance....I don't have the times to hand, but most athletes peak at the Olympics, it's not difficult. But I think Wells was outside his PB then, someone with the proper records will no doubt put this in context.
The bit of his defence I find harder to believe is that he didn't see much of the doctor.....my recollection was he was notoriously worried about his health and fitness, even a hypochondriac, so unless he was seeing a different doctor, I would worry about his argument there
Re: Re:
And having seen the BBC Scotland documentary, the evidence looks pretty compelling......
Another hero bites the dust, and another example of how you just don't want to believe it about your own folk
coinneach said:
And having seen the BBC Scotland documentary, the evidence looks pretty compelling......
Another hero bites the dust, and another example of how you just don't want to believe it about your own folk
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