Brits don't dope?

[MartinGT]

When you get a MTBr and a CX rider up there at the end of the race (Including the U23 MTB rider taking silver) the gap she put in didnt suprise me.

What did suprise me more was he apparent lack of breathing during the race when climbing Michaelgate!

 

[ebandit]

big

What did suprise me more was he apparent lack of breathing during the race when climbing Michaelgate!

.........in the big ring...............

Mark L

 

[MartinGT]

Re: big

What did suprise me more was he apparent lack of breathing during the race when climbing Michaelgate!

.........in the big ring...............

Mark L

Aye, this is true.

 

[Campervan man]

Re: big

What did suprise me more was he apparent lack of breathing during the race when climbing Michaelgate!

.........in the big ring...............

Mark L

Aye, this is true.

But then Tony Martin style this time of year in England's countryside and you'll be blocking your wind pipe with bugs. And that's not 'good protein'.

 

[The Carrot]

Re: big

What did suprise me more was he apparent lack of breathing during the race when climbing Michaelgate!

.........in the big ring...............

Mark L

Aye, this is true.

But then Tony Martin style this time of year in England's countryside and you'll be blocking your wind pipe with bugs. And that's not 'good protein'.

Got it, keeping your mouth closed while conducting a maximal effort is a marginal gain. Or at the very least, it prevents the marginal loss that is swallowing bugs.

 

[Campervan man]

Re: big

What did suprise me more was he apparent lack of breathing during the race when climbing Michaelgate!

.........in the big ring...............

Mark L

Aye, this is true.

But then Tony Martin style this time of year in England's countryside and you'll be blocking your wind pipe with bugs. And that's not 'good protein'.

Got it, keeping your mouth closed while conducting a maximal effort is a marginal gain. Or at the very least, it prevents the marginal loss that is swallowing bugs.

Ha ha it slowed me up the other day when I was heaving a bug back up for 30 seconds . Let's be fair I'm massively anti Sky- marginal gains, but these boys climbing hills in the middle of England in the big ring when they train at much harder terrain week in week out doesn't shock me.

 

[ebandit]

.............it was armitstead.......................she doesn't ride for team sky

Mark L

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Lizzie Armistead has ridden away from and finished minutes up on elite international fields. Doing it at home where it's restricted to just the Brits is not only understandable but I'd almost expect it.

She's also a climber who weighs about 20kg, so big ringing a climb isn't that surprising to me either?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

ie the guys only watching women's cycling when it's easy and at home should have been posting much harsher doping insinuations in the last few years based on her performance in much, much bigger races with much classier fields where seeing the results or reading the race reports takes effort.

Good old UCI and their old boy's club leaving women's cycling out in the cold.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Lizzie Armitstead is not a climber. She's improved her climbing big-time in the last three years, but she's no way a climber in the classical sense like, say, Emma Pooley or Mara Abbott. There are a few others I'd back to still be there when Lizzie drops on a long, difficult climb as well. However, punchy stuff like this is well within her remit and is the kind of terrain she likes - she's won La Flèche Wallonne last year, although that was massively incongruous with her palmarès to that point though she's had plenty of puncheur finish success since. She started out as a durable sprinter and has matured into a more all-round talent with a tendency towards being a puncheur; this works on the women's calendar very well as there are lots of rouleur type routes and courses with short, steep climbs to break things up but not too many truly mountainous races.

I agree with you that she should be winning the nationals quite convincingly on this kind of course (the likes of Hannah Barnes are too sprinty for this type of course and the other real all-rounders like Cooke and Pooley are retired, leaving her the clear strongest in an ok field just like Ferrand-Prévot in the French race, which was won similarly comfortably) especially as her punch is vastly superior to that of the rest of the Britons at this point, just that I think you overstate her climbing as I would still expect her to be found out on any more sustained and longer climbs. She's never top 10ed the Bira, the Tour de l'Aude was over before she developed her climbing, and her best Giro GC is 15th back in 2009 - though she has top 5ed Thüringen, which has some quite tough intermediate mountain terrain.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

My bad - I was thinking Emma Pooley as the 20kg climber. Mi dispiace.

 

[42x16ss]

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My bad - I was thinking Emma Pooley as the 20kg climber. Mi dispiace.

Armitstead is certainly a top tier rider but if a fit Pooley and Cooke were still racing there's no way Armitstead would have had it all her own way, too bad the rest of the field was nothing too special.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

My bad - I was thinking Emma Pooley as the 20kg climber. Mi dispiace.

Armitstead is certainly a top tier rider but if a fit Pooley and Cooke were still racing there's no way Armitstead would have had it all her own way, too bad the rest of the field was nothing too special.

You could have a dedicated 24 / 7 cycling racing channel if they aired womens and mens from all disciplines. I'd love it.

 

[MartinGT]

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My bad - I was thinking Emma Pooley as the 20kg climber. Mi dispiace.

Armitstead is certainly a top tier rider but if a fit Pooley and Cooke were still racing there's no way Armitstead would have had it all her own way, too bad the rest of the field was nothing too special.

She beat a fit Cooke and Pooley on a punchy course in Northumberland. Albeit Pooley and Armitstead were both racing for Garmin at the time and bullied Cooke only for Armitstead (IIRC) to beat Pooley in the sprint.

 

[Franklin]

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Lizzie Armistead has ridden away from and finished minutes up on elite international fields. Doing it at home where it's restricted to just the Brits is not only understandable but I'd almost expect it.

100% agreed.

The differences in the international field are relatively large, at a national level the differences are hilarious. Keep in mind that with the women pro's, semi-pro's and amateurs are ditched together. And that even goes for the international level where a lot are having a job on the side (though generally those are packfodder afaik).

I'm not anywhere near claiming the women elite is clean, but I certainly believe that even without blood manipulating we would see enormous gaps. The Armisteads, Poole's and Vos'es are not just better athletes, they have the added bonus of being able to be a profesional. No wonder they crush their local competitors.

 

[2008885]

Re:

oops! spelling can be hard.............however i imagine lizzie will be more concerned about me pondering over her performance...............?Mark L

Perhaps you're being humourous, but I doubt that she is remotely interested in your ponderings!

 

[IamIronMan]

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Lizzie Armitstead is not a climber. She's improved her climbing big-time in the last three years, but she's no way a climber in the classical sense like, say, Emma Pooley or Mara Abbott. There are a few others I'd back to still be there when Lizzie drops on a long, difficult climb as well. However, punchy stuff like this is well within her remit and is the kind of terrain she likes - she's won La Flèche Wallonne last year, although that was massively incongruous with her palmarès to that point though she's had plenty of puncheur finish success since. She started out as a durable sprinter and has matured into a more all-round talent with a tendency towards being a puncheur; this works on the women's calendar very well as there are lots of rouleur type routes and courses with short, steep climbs to break things up but not too many truly mountainous races.

I agree with you that she should be winning the nationals quite convincingly on this kind of course (the likes of Hannah Barnes are too sprinty for this type of course and the other real all-rounders like Cooke and Pooley are retired, leaving her the clear strongest in an ok field just like Ferrand-Prévot in the French race, which was won similarly comfortably) especially as her punch is vastly superior to that of the rest of the Britons at this point, just that I think you overstate her climbing as I would still expect her to be found out on any more sustained and longer climbs. She's never top 10ed the Bira, the Tour de l'Aude was over before she developed her climbing, and her best Giro GC is 15th back in 2009 - though she has top 5ed Thüringen, which has some quite tough intermediate mountain terrain.

I have nothing to add to this conversation, other than I LOVE all the cycling jargon in this post! Makes me smile.

 

[The Hitch]

Switched over to ITV for 2 seconds.

They were doing a segment about speeds reached in the Tour de France. Fastest downhill, fastest time trial, fastest team time trial, fastest prologue, fastest sprint, fastest stage, fastest flat, fastest everything.
Fastest prologue was our own Chris Boardman hooray. Fastest speed full stop was our own Sean Yates, hooray go Britain (no mention of Yates being a lying sodding cheat. Wonder why? Must have run out of time).

They didn't do fastest ascents though

Anyway can see from even a brief look at the coverage that the attitude is 100% going to be pretend doping never existed. Its a sport for gentlemen. Everyone is nice, they train hard and do it for the love of the sport.

 

[Catwhoorg]

http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/ukad-annual-report-2014-2015/

UKAD annual report.
This is basically the financial disclosure to parliament oversight. Not a testing summary

the most rent of which is here:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploads/Files/2014-15_Q4_Report_v3.pdf

Which takes through to the end of Fiscal year 2014/2015.

1st Quarter 2015/2016 should be out in the next couple of weeks based on previous timelines.

 

[The Hitch]

Seb Coe and Radcliffe together at Wimbledon.

If Saint Seb never doped, is he unaware of PR's transgressions or does he just not give a ***?

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Seb Coe and Radcliffe together at Wimbledon.

If Saint Seb never doped, is he unaware of PR's transgressions or does he just not give a ****?

Just going to point out that transfusions were NOT against the WADA code when Coe was running. (or cetianly when he was at his peak)

If he did them, then technically he can still say he wasn't doping per se.

 

[TheSpud]

Switched over to ITV for 2 seconds.

They were doing a segment about speeds reached in the Tour de France. Fastest downhill, fastest time trial, fastest team time trial, fastest prologue, fastest sprint, fastest stage, fastest flat, fastest everything.
Fastest prologue was our own Chris Boardman hooray. Fastest speed full stop was our own Sean Yates, hooray go Britain (no mention of Yates being a lying sodding cheat. Wonder why? Must have run out of time).

They didn't do fastest ascents though

Anyway can see from even a brief look at the coverage that the attitude is 100% going to be pretend doping never existed. Its a sport for gentlemen. Everyone is nice, they train hard and do it for the love of the sport.

Presumably the Boardman one was on the Lotus bike the UCI subsequently banned. I guess it and the ones like it really were very aero.

How was the fastest speed measured - was that top speed? And presumably on a descent? Surely that just comes down to who has the biggest kahunas to go for it ...

 

[Benotti69]

Paula Radcliffe it appears has taken a super injunction out in the UK to prevent the publication of her blood values!!!!!!!!!

If that is not the actions of a doper...........

 

[Benotti69]

Lindford putting the boot in

Linford Christie ‏@ChristieLinford Aug 3

Super injunction !!!!! Bet someone didn't sleep well last night ...

 

[Chipist]

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Lindford putting the boot in

Linford Christie ‏@ChristieLinford Aug 3

Super injunction !!!!! Bet someone didn't sleep well last night ...

Why would Linford do that? Are they not BFF?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/4788157.stm