Brits don't dope?

[ontheroad]

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Someone help me. UKAD deep-sixed the Bonar investigation cause they supporting UK doping. So why did they try and bust a major medal hope like LA?

Did they? It would appear they allowed this one to shoot through to CAS in record time to remove the sense of nepotism from UKAD.

They had to do something once the 3rd test was missed, they couldn't avoid it. The 1st missed test and reasons stated are rather dubious. As tough as CAS has been in the past they certainly let this one through the net - ie How did LA prove her phone was on silent?

So they have the power to bury the Boner whistle-blower (...even though the blower carried on blowing and went public to the detriment of UKAD)

....but they don't have the power to bury a missed test conducted by one of their own?

That really doesn't make sense. If they'd buried it, nobody would be any the wiser.

What we are faced with now is a bit of a pong.Nobody comes out of this looking good.

Totally agree, Lizzie will forever have suspicion about her now, UKAD at best look incompetent.

The Guardian published a pretty scathing article on Armistead today.

Of course, the clinic narrative is that all British media outlets are flag wavers for British doping athletes so I must be mistaken

Read it for yourself here:

Lizzie Armitstead did not challenge missed drugs test until Rio place threatened

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/02/lizzie-armistead-olympic-reprieve-questioned-fellow-athletes?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

They have little choice with Armistead, she has committed an ACTUAL anti doping violation. The reporting is all factual, it is not an ivestigative piece.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Including Matthew Syed :lol:

Yeah, I know. but what's a guy to do?

 

[Benotti69]

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Despite the ****** I read on this forum on a daily basis, those of us who live here know that the media are hungry for doping stories. I've yet to read a piece from a UK source that is sympathetic to Armistead....and rightly so, in my view.

Why read it?

And are the media asking why the silence from BC and UKAD about Armistead missing from competition?

Better the British press leads with the story than other nations reporting it. This was an easy story for the press to print. It went to CAS. The facts are there from CAS. Story writes itself.

The media are not hungry for doping stories. If they were there is plenty out there not yet written!

 

[kwikki]

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Despite the ****** I read on this forum on a daily basis, those of us who live here know that the media are hungry for doping stories. I've yet to read a piece from a UK source that is sympathetic to Armistead....and rightly so, in my view.

Why read it?

And are the media asking why the silence from BC and UKAD about Armistead missing from competition?

Better the British press leads with the story than other nations reporting it. This was an easy story for the press to print. It went to CAS. The facts are there from CAS. Story writes itself.

The media are not hungry for doping stories. If they were there is plenty out there not yet written!

Such as?

 

[Benotti69]

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Despite the ****** I read on this forum on a daily basis, those of us who live here know that the media are hungry for doping stories. I've yet to read a piece from a UK source that is sympathetic to Armistead....and rightly so, in my view.

Why read it?

And are the media asking why the silence from BC and UKAD about Armistead missing from competition?

Better the British press leads with the story than other nations reporting it. This was an easy story for the press to print. It went to CAS. The facts are there from CAS. Story writes itself.

The media are not hungry for doping stories. If they were there is plenty out there not yet written!

Such as?

CAS are apparently currently processing 11 cases a week.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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CAS are apparently currently processing 11 cases a week.

Have you looked at any of those cases? They're not that newsworthy. I don't even Tweet about the majority of CAS press releases I receive.

 

[Benotti69]

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CAS are apparently currently processing 11 cases a week.

Have you looked at any of those cases? They're not that newsworthy. I don't even Tweet about the majority of CAS press releases I receive.

Well if you dont tweet about it obviously they are not relevant!

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Well if you dont tweet about it obviously they are not relevant!

So irrelevant that several experts round here weren't even aware of the volume of the cases CAS are currently dealing with. Or the nature of them. Why don't you name some of the ones you think the GB media should have gone big on as you are so familiar with them and their newsworthyness?

 

[gazr99]

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Of course, the clinic narrative is that all British media outlets are flag wavers for British doping athletes so I must be mistaken

Ollie Holt's Twitter timeline is worth a scan for the British media people he's re-tweeted and their comments - a lot of them negative - on LA.

https://twitter.com/OllieHolt22

Including Matthew Syed :lol:

https://twitter.com/OllieHolt22/status/760410808425836545

He's right, of course.

Despite the ****** I read on this forum on a daily basis, those of us who live here know that the media are hungry for doping stories. I've yet to read a piece from a UK source that is sympathetic to Armistead....and rightly so, in my view.

If anything it seems the press in the UK love setting an athlete up to bring them crashing down, the England football team is a great example. How often do the press suddenly release a story shortly before a major tournament about an England player.

 

[buckle]

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Of course, the clinic narrative is that all British media outlets are flag wavers for British doping athletes so I must be mistaken

Ollie Holt's Twitter timeline is worth a scan for the British media people he's re-tweeted and their comments - a lot of them negative - on LA.

https://twitter.com/OllieHolt22

Including Matthew Syed :lol:

https://twitter.com/OllieHolt22/status/760410808425836545

He's right, of course.

Despite the ****** I read on this forum on a daily basis, those of us who live here know that the media are hungry for doping stories. I've yet to read a piece from a UK source that is sympathetic to Armistead....and rightly so, in my view.

Syed equates being black with being Russian. We live in strange times.

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

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On the point of the legal funding, a British Cycling membership at Gold level (which as a pro athlete in a UCI team Lizzie will have, same as many amateurs too mind, depends what you want to pay).

Armistead is not resident in the UK, so she cannot be a member of British Cycling, she has to be a member of her local federation.

Incorrect, for example, David Millar was resident of France and Spain whilst a member of British Cycling. Geraint Thomas is currently classed as a resident of Monaco and is a member of British Cycling.

can you clarify this please? Does being a member of British Cycling equate to holding a British cycling licence?

I recall reading something in Nicole Cooke's autobiog about how she likened herself and Armitstead in the sense that neither of them were part of the British Cycling system. That they both had to go abroad and make their own way.

She was possibly talking about British Cycling's high-performance system (or whatever that's called), but it'd be good to get that clarified.

I know you definitely don't need to be resident in the country to hold a license in that country, but just wondering about the nuances here. Thanks.

Firstly, apologies for taking so long to rejoin this, work was busy, my commute was horrible and I prefer a keyboard to a touchscreen on my phone.

No, you have to purchase a racing license on top of the membership, though some teams pay this for the riders at the top tier. I was making the assumption that by being professional racing cyclists people would have understood that by me calling them British Cycling members that they also had a racing license. Most of the professionals still hold their residential address on the database as being in the UK even if they live elsewhere. Some British professional teams have a large number of riders living at the same address to facilitate the ease of administration of the license receipts. An example of this type of failure would be a prominent British cyclist who forgot to renew their license the day before the first scheduled race of the season that this professional was taking part at in Southern Europe which required the faxing and emailing of said racing license to allow this professional to race, oh and at the time the residential address was in England, when certainly not living in the UK. That is how they get around the residency part of obtaining a license. Furthermore, if a license is renewed prior to expiration it is classed as a continuation of the license again negating a change of location.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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ie How did LA prove her phone was on silent?

Uncontradicted evidence under oath will often suffice as proof. It's also possible that there was supporting evidence from a room mate, although at this point that is just speculation.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Dim has being doing some tweeting.

I didn't know that prior to 2009, whereabouts was only 5 days a week (Mon-Fri).
#Crazy

 

[JibberJim]

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[quote="Big_Blue_DaveMost of the professionals still hold their residential address on the database as being in the UK even if they live elsewhere. [/quote]

She does not hold a UK racing licence - or she would appear here
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/ranking/national/?rank_type=national&choice=rider&discipline=4&gender=F&rider_cat=24&year=2016

Which actually means the NGB for the AD violation was not BC, but some other country, so hopefully they were also interested party to the action.

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

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[quote="Big_Blue_DaveMost of the professionals still hold their residential address on the database as being in the UK even if they live elsewhere.

She does not hold a UK racing licence - or she would appear here
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/ranking/national/?rank_type=national&choice=rider&discipline=4&gender=F&rider_cat=24&year=2016

Which actually means the NGB for the AD violation was not BC, but some other country, so hopefully they were also interested party to the action.[/quote]

Nice try, that only covers national level events such as the Women's Tour Series. Name a national level event Lizzie has taken part in this year. Aviva Women's Tour is a UCI level race for your information in relation to the calculation of national ranking points. Check out Alice Barnes' points and her Foreign National races do not count. No national level points scores mean no ranking for the year. Check 2015 for Lizzie being on the rankings.

 

[JibberJim]

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[quote="Big_Blue_DaveNice try, that only covers national level events such as the Women's Tour Series. Name a national level event Lizzie has taken part in this year. Aviva Women's Tour is a UCI level race for your information in relation to the calculation of national ranking points. Check out Alice Barnes' points and her Foreign National races do not count. No national level points scores mean no ranking for the year. Check 2015 for Lizzie being on the rankings.[/quote]

NO it doesn't... look at for e.g. Dani King, and the points she has from the WT events, indeed the majority of hers are non-UK
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/points?person_id=29792&year=2016&type=national&d=4

Here's the Strada Bianchi results
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/145365/UCI-Women-s-WorldTour-Ranking--1---Strade-Bianche-(UCI/1-WWT)

LA got 0 points, because she's not a UK licence holder.

She does not hold a UK licence.

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

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[quote="Big_Blue_DaveNice try, that only covers national level events such as the Women's Tour Series. Name a national level event Lizzie has taken part in this year. Aviva Women's Tour is a UCI level race for your information in relation to the calculation of national ranking points. Check out Alice Barnes' points and her Foreign National races do not count. No national level points scores mean no ranking for the year. Check 2015 for Lizzie being on the rankings.

NO it doesn't... look at for e.g. Dani King, and the points she has from the WT events, indeed the majority of hers are non-UK
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/points?person_id=29792&year=2016&type=national&d=4

Here's the Strada Bianchi results
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/145365/UCI-Women-s-WorldTour-Ranking--1---Strade-Bianche-(UCI/1-WWT)

LA got 0 points, because she's not a UK licence holder.

She does not hold a UK licence.[/quote]

Dani's total points for season is 324, National ranking points is 91 in 15th place because no foreign points are included in the rankings for national rankings as anything foreign is not included. So understand that as Lizzie has not raced a British national level event in 2016, she has no British national level ranking, even though she holds a British Racing license for the 2016 year. Just like she did for 2015 when she scored 278 national ranking points finishing 8th overall as part of a sum total of 1268 points worldwide. In 2014, finished 11th in the national ranking with 200 national level points and a sum total 1189 points worldwide. See the pattern, she has her British racing license or she could not be ranked at all. But having not raced a national level or Regional C+ level race she won't have a ranking for this year as she has accumulated 0 (zero) points to be ranked, hence no ranking for the national level rankings. Simple to understand, but you seem confused.

 

[jmdirt]

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BC covering up doping, that is what I understand. You just can't miss three tests if you are clean.

Maybe...maybe not. Missing tests when you are traveling all over the world is pretty easy. Its not like she was hiding out, she was at a race (and being tested at that race). I, like others, would like to hear the circumstances of the other two missed tests, but this one sounds like the tester was a turd.

Based on responses from pro riders that I've read, I have to adjust my view on this. Missing one is possible, but after that you are either stupid, or dirty, or both.

 

[JibberJim]

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See the pattern, she has her British racing license or she could not be ranked at all. But having not raced a national level or Regional C+ level race she won't have a ranking for this year as she has accumulated 0 (zero) points to be ranked, hence no ranking for the national level rankings. Simple to understand, but you seem confused.

Strade Bianche would net the winner points, just like 14th got Dani King 15, the only reason the winner got no UK points, is because she is not a UK licence holder.

 

[kwikki]

As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

 

[veganrob]

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As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

Grow up.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

Oh come on. Froome was favourite in name only and we all know that he was really just doing a training session for Wednesday when he's ABSOLUTELY GOING TO SMASH IT. And LA? She knew she couldn't win in the Court of Public Opinion (unlike the CAS, not tainted by doing favours for UCI) so she sat up on the climb. This can all be explained and is part of the plan.

 

[kwikki]

Froome should have won it and still be ready to smash the TT.

Somethings not right. I sense a disturbance in the force.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Froome should have won it and still be ready to smash the TT.

Somethings not right. I sense a disturbance in the force.

CAS called in their favour, thus proving their role in this conspiracy. It all fits.

 

[TheSpud]

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Froome should have won it and still be ready to smash the TT.

Somethings not right. I sense a disturbance in the force.

CAS called in their favour, thus proving their role in this conspiracy. It all fits.

Yep it seems the conspiracy has been blown wide open - that Thomas bloke should be knighted for deliberately crashing on the descent in order to prevent a GB medal. I fear for British cycling, I really do.