Brits don't dope?

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sniper said:
Where did those marginal gains go?
To be honest their tactics in both men's and women's races was poor. With fewer riders and non-ability to ride tempo for 90% course makes Team GB rather ineffective.

In the men's race they missed supporting Thomas 100%, splitting between Froome and Thomas was a poor idea. Alas they weren't going to beat Nibali if he stayed upright.

The women's course didn't suit LA, wasn't going to happen and Pooley strangely did way too much work early on.

Bad tactics to in both races; Team USA played it perfectly but still didn't win. Holland probably just a little better.
 
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kwikki said:
No medals at all so far for any GB athlete.
Nobody can stop us now.
They need this guy, downshifters and toe clips, believe he's also using the new latex/lyrca spray on trousers. He's in a very aero position. I believe he just lost the fat and the engine has always been there.

 
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msjett said:
According to Sir Wiggo we are obsessed with beating the brits....except if you a Richie Porte.
Well, there always seems to be toys out of the pram when GB beats Australia ;)

I'd say that is really visible in Rugby, a little bit in cricket, and these days track cycling, but that's about it.

I suppose the first two of those sports are British created during the years of empire, so that feeds right into the Australian feelings of pride/insecurity at being an almost ex colony :D
 
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Thing is, 99.9% of aussies couldn't give a rats about cycling let alone track cycling, and it was hidden in the news from around the world page, not in the sports section...but it made me smile.

And we deserved the hiding we got in the rugby, the wobbilies had a screamer at the world cup, but haven't really done shite since....
 
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I suppose Wiggo is really talking about the Team pursuit, and it is a 2 horse race.

I really like the fact there are 2 super motivated teams taking it to such a high level of expertise. I don't really mind who wins, because whoever it is, it will be close and well-earned
 
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For those still moaning about the clinic giving disproportionate attention to brits, consider bbc s latest piece claiming/stating the vast majority of Olympic athletes is clean.
Then try to show me similar rubbish from any other state's media, Spanish or German or Dutch or whatever.
 
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sniper said:
For those still moaning about the clinic giving disproportionate attention to brits, consider bbc s latest piece claiming/stating the vast majority of Olympic athletes is clean.
Then try to show me similar rubbish from any other state's media, Spanish or German or Dutch or whatever.
Under the bizarre, Orwellian relationship the BBC has with the serving government (George "BB" Orwell worked there during the war), they are one of the few state broadcasters to have exclusive broadcast rights to the Olympics. This access to significant sporting events is becoming increasingly threatened. The editorial line will be to assure viewers that what they are watching is not fake until "Auntie" loses all the rights.

It's complicated.

As I say, the most famous novel of the 20th century was inspired by Orwell's unhappy time working there.
 
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sniper said:
For those still moaning about the clinic giving disproportionate attention to brits, consider bbc s latest piece claiming/stating the vast majority of Olympic athletes is clean.
Then try to show me similar rubbish from any other state's media, Spanish or German or Dutch or whatever.
How about Bolt's comments at his presser? Want to bet Jamaican media doesn't disagree with the claim that the majority of the 11,000+ athletes compete clean? Doesn't Russian media claim the majority of their athletes compete clean? Can you find a quote from US Olympic broadcaster NBC that actually says the majority of athletes are not clean? Let's be real here a moment: these TV companies have paid large amounts of money to secure the rights to the Games - do you really think they're going to piss all over that by telling the viewers that what they're seeing is a joke? Really? Is that compatible with being a card-carrying clinic cynic? Wouldn't I be naïve if I really expected that?
 
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fmk_RoI said:
sniper said:
For those still moaning about the clinic giving disproportionate attention to brits, consider bbc s latest piece claiming/stating the vast majority of Olympic athletes is clean.
Then try to show me similar rubbish from any other state's media, Spanish or German or Dutch or whatever.
How about Bolt's comments at his presser? Want to bet Jamaican media doesn't disagree with the claim that the majority of the 11,000+ athletes compete clean? Doesn't Russian media claim the majority of their athletes compete clean? Can you find a quote from US Olympic broadcaster NBC that actually says the majority of athletes are not clean? Let's be real here a moment: these TV companies have paid large amounts of money to secure the rights to the Games - do you really think they're going to piss all over that by telling the viewers that what they're seeing is a joke? Really? Is that compatible with being a card-carrying clinic cynic? Wouldn't I be naïve if I really expected that?
I think the point is that this is the state broadcaster who have got the rights for peanuts.
 
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buckle said:
sniper said:
For those still moaning about the clinic giving disproportionate attention to brits, consider bbc s latest piece claiming/stating the vast majority of Olympic athletes is clean.
Then try to show me similar rubbish from any other state's media, Spanish or German or Dutch or whatever.
Under the bizarre, Orwellian relationship the BBC has with the serving government (George "BB" Orwell worked there during the war), they are one of the few state broadcasters to have exclusive broadcast rights to the Olympics. This access to significant sporting events is becoming increasingly threatened. The editorial line will be to assure viewers that what they are watching is not fake until "Auntie" loses all the rights.

It's complicated.

As I say, the most famous novel of the 20th century was inspired by Orwell's unhappy time working there.
yeah, good point, and i get that.

It's just so disappointing. We're still in the aftermath of Lance's exposure but the British mainstream media just continue their blind support for cheating and fraud.
To my knowledge, the BBC are quite a bit worse than their German, French and even Spanish counterparts.

Interesting about Orwell, I didn't know.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
sniper said:
For those still moaning about the clinic giving disproportionate attention to brits, consider bbc s latest piece claiming/stating the vast majority of Olympic athletes is clean.
Then try to show me similar rubbish from any other state's media, Spanish or German or Dutch or whatever.
How about Bolt's comments at his presser? Want to bet Jamaican media doesn't disagree with the claim that the majority of the 11,000+ athletes compete clean? Doesn't Russian media claim the majority of their athletes compete clean? Can you find a quote from US Olympic broadcaster NBC that actually says the majority of athletes are not clean? Let's be real here a moment: these TV companies have paid large amounts of money to secure the rights to the Games - do you really think they're going to piss all over that by telling the viewers that what they're seeing is a joke? Really? Is that compatible with being a card-carrying clinic cynic? Wouldn't I be naïve if I really expected that?
Jamaica and Bolt do get their fair share of flack from the social media's antidoping trolls though, don't you think?
The moaning, I guess (not sure), has been about Britain getting too much flack relative to countries such as France, Spain, Russia, and Germany, not relative to Jamaica.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
sniper said:
For those still moaning about the clinic giving disproportionate attention to brits, consider bbc s latest piece claiming/stating the vast majority of Olympic athletes is clean.
Then try to show me similar rubbish from any other state's media, Spanish or German or Dutch or whatever.
How about Bolt's comments at his presser? Want to bet Jamaican media doesn't disagree with the claim that the majority of the 11,000+ athletes compete clean? Doesn't Russian media claim the majority of their athletes compete clean? Can you find a quote from US Olympic broadcaster NBC that actually says the majority of athletes are not clean? Let's be real here a moment: these TV companies have paid large amounts of money to secure the rights to the Games - do you really think they're going to piss all over that by telling the viewers that what they're seeing is a joke? Really? Is that compatible with being a card-carrying clinic cynic? Wouldn't I be naïve if I really expected that?
Nailed.

Some posters never take the time to try and think things through from other perspectives than their own.
 
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I don't know what ARD and ZDF paid for the Olympics.
No peanuts either I guess.
Still they have Seppelt over there doing his thang.
There is just no comparing with BBC's brainless hypocrit cheerleading.


And since when is "they paid so much" even a remotely legit apology for crap journalism?
I realize sports journalism is void of ethics, but why should we apologize that?
 
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You are viewing this issue from a simplistic perspective. There is plenty of coverage of Olympic doping issues outside of the actual event broadcasts.
 
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sniper said:
Jamaica and Bolt do get their fair share of flack from the social media's antidoping trolls though, don't you think?
And the BBC doesn't? The absolute worst thing about having the UK as the noisy neighbours is that so many people over there believe that if they're not that absolute, absolute best at something then they have to be the absolute, absolute worst. Top or bottom of the league, they think the UK leads. But as Dara O'Briain points out, the really is mid-table mediocrity in most things. The BBC, they're not the best at pointing out the reality of doping, they're not the worst.
sniper said:
The moaning, I guess (not sure), has been about Britain getting too much flack relative to countries such as France, Spain, Russia, and Germany, not relative to Jamaica.
Move the goalposts why don't you? And ignore that I mentioned Russia while you're at it.
 
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sniper said:
And since when is "they paid so much" even a remotely legit apology for crap journalism?
I realize sports journalism is void of ethics, but why should we apologize that?
It's an explanation not a justification. And it's an explanation that is relevant to other nations, not just UK, a fact you seem incapable of admitting to yourself.

No one is saying you have to 'apologize that' - what I'm saying is get real, take off your blinkers and look at what is really happening in the rest of the world. The BBC is not all that special, hard as that is for some to accept.
 

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