Brits don't dope?

[Cannibal72]

I've observed no hatred for Cobo in Britain, at all, ever.

 

[doolols]

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Lol. The entire world is cheering and celebrating the british performances?

Apart from one or two pockets full of sour grapes, and the usual suspects on here, yes.

If you see the interviews after the races (not just in cycling), there is a lot of love for Britain, and admiration from the other competitors.

With your permission may the Clinic cite Vogel and Mears as marginal gains for those who are not admiring this spectacle?

Fairly obviously, they fall into the "sour grapes" category. Strange how, when the Brits get beaten, they don't immediately respond by hurling accusations about. It seems to be a common narrative at these Olympics - if the Brits win (at anything), they simply must be doping.

That's not entirely true. There's a lot of hate for cobo amongst british cycling fans because they just know he must have doped to beat clean Froome. People like Walsh attack Astana. The BBC have accused plenty of nonbrits over the years.

That's fans and journalists. I was talking about the competitors.

 

[buckle]

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That's fans and journalists. I was talking about the competitors.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ts-Great-Britain-head-coach-Bill-Furniss.html

Still a good one?

 

[simoni]

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Lol. The entire world is cheering and celebrating the british performances?

Apart from one or two pockets full of sour grapes, and the usual suspects on here, yes.

If you see the interviews after the races (not just in cycling), there is a lot of love for Britain, and admiration from the other competitors.

With your permission may the Clinic cite Vogel and Mears as marginal gains for those who are not admiring this spectacle?

Fairly obviously, they fall into the "sour grapes" category. Strange how, when the Brits get beaten, they don't immediately respond by hurling accusations about. It seems to be a common narrative at these Olympics - if the Brits win (at anything), they simply must be doping.

That's not entirely true. There's a lot of hate for cobo amongst british cycling fans because they just know he must have doped to beat clean Froome. People like Walsh attack Astana. The BBC have accused plenty of nonbrits over the years.

Your comment on Cobo is without any foundation that I am aware of. There may be the odd raised eyebrow about Cobo from those better informed but "hate"? No chance.

Walsh is Irish, as you know, but appreciate that he works in the British market.

With regard to the BBC, yes, their impartiality with respect to Brits and with respect to who the media has decided the villains are, is noted and is a bone of contention amongst many (various newspaper columnists are commenting on the tone of Olympic coverage for example). However, my understanding from friends in other countries is that "state" media there operates on much the same basis.

Whilst we might find some of what goes on in Britain distasteful the idea that this sort of thing is confined to us is simply not valid.

 

[The Hitch]

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Apart from one or two pockets full of sour grapes, and the usual suspects on here, yes.

If you see the interviews after the races (not just in cycling), there is a lot of love for Britain, and admiration from the other competitors.

With your permission may the Clinic cite Vogel and Mears as marginal gains for those who are not admiring this spectacle?

Fairly obviously, they fall into the "sour grapes" category. Strange how, when the Brits get beaten, they don't immediately respond by hurling accusations about. It seems to be a common narrative at these Olympics - if the Brits win (at anything), they simply must be doping.

That's not entirely true. There's a lot of hate for cobo amongst british cycling fans because they just know he must have doped to beat clean Froome. People like Walsh attack Astana. The BBC have accused plenty of nonbrits over the years.

That's fans and journalists. I was talking about the competitors.

Oops.


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-runner-my-cheat-fears-bjszjdc6k

 

[The Hitch]

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With regard to the BBC, yes, their impartiality with respect to Brits and with respect to who the media has decided the villains are, is noted and is a bone of contention amongst many (various newspaper columnists are commenting on the tone of Olympic coverage for example). However, my understanding from friends in other countries is that "state" media there operates on much the same basis.

That's precisely what I said. The French celebrate French medals. The Germans German medals. The Ozzies Australian medals.

Dools is the one claiming everyone is celebrating the UK medals.

 

[Benotti69]

Some of the best track cyclists in the World are starting to cal it like they see it. People like Anna Meares and Vogels know their Track onions. That's all they do, that's all they've ever done and they know what's what. They've forgotten more about Track cycling than the peeps who accuse them of having sour grapes. When people of that kind of experience speak, we should listen.

They may know their onions, but the one thing they really know is their grapes - the sour ones. They've been beaten fair and square - again.

How can you know that? Fair and square! How?

Iain Dyer caught lying about teams not having same form as World championships when most performed better!

Take off the national health specs for a moment!

The British team hold back on all technology until the Olympics. It's such a straightforward explanation for the peaking but inconvenient for the preferred narrative on here, so the scoffing that certainly does go on is at such reasonable claims as marginal gains etc.

If you want to call if financial doping then fair enough. But that is the only form of doping going on.

Please produce evidence of the British using inferior technology at other events.

Only form of doping? How can you know?

The sports culture and history tell a very different story.

 

[doolols]

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With regard to the BBC, yes, their impartiality with respect to Brits and with respect to who the media has decided the villains are, is noted and is a bone of contention amongst many (various newspaper columnists are commenting on the tone of Olympic coverage for example). However, my understanding from friends in other countries is that "state" media there operates on much the same basis.

That's precisely what I said. The French celebrate French medals. The Germans German medals. The Ozzies Australian medals.

Dools is the one claiming everyone is celebrating the UK medals.

Nope, I wasn't. Some seem to be happy for us, most are disappointed in their lack of success, with respect to us. Very few (and generally those who have been beaten by our athletes) tread their sour grapes and accuse us of impropriety. And quoting those as some sort of 'evidence' that we're doping isn't correct.

 

[doolols]

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Fairly obviously, they fall into the "sour grapes" category. Strange how, when the Brits get beaten, they don't immediately respond by hurling accusations about. It seems to be a common narrative at these Olympics - if the Brits win (at anything), they simply must be doping.

That's not entirely true. There's a lot of hate for cobo amongst british cycling fans because they just know he must have doped to beat clean Froome. People like Walsh attack Astana. The BBC have accused plenty of nonbrits over the years.

That's fans and journalists. I was talking about the competitors.

Oops.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-runner-my-cheat-fears-bjszjdc6k

:lol: Mea culpa. Mind you, second place was won by Dibarba (coach Jama Aden), so maybe there is some justification for her accusations.
Whereas, of course, non-Brit athletes have no evidence on which to base their accusations.

 

[The Hitch]

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Fairly obviously, they fall into the "sour grapes" category. Strange how, when the Brits get beaten, they don't immediately respond by hurling accusations about. It seems to be a common narrative at these Olympics - if the Brits win (at anything), they simply must be doping.

That's not entirely true. There's a lot of hate for cobo amongst british cycling fans because they just know he must have doped to beat clean Froome. People like Walsh attack Astana. The BBC have accused plenty of nonbrits over the years.

That's fans and journalists. I was talking about the competitors.

Oops.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-runner-my-cheat-fears-bjszjdc6k

:lol: Mea culpa. Mind you, second place was won by Dibarba (coach Jama Aden), so maybe there is some justification for her accusations.
Whereas, of course, non-Brit athletes have no evidence on which to base their accusations.

Yep. Absoslutely no link between jama Aden and a certain major UK athlete.

 

[BullsFan22]

Wonder if Muir will be regarded as being a 'sour grape,' like Mears, Vogel, the French, etc were when they questioned the Brits on the Rio track.

Good thing the Russians aren't competing. We would never hear the end of it.

 

[The Hitch]

Wonder if Muir will be regarded as being a 'sour grape,' like Mears, Vogel, the French, etc were when they questioned the Brits on the Rio track.

Good thing the Russians aren't competing. We would never hear the end of it.

In the swimming a Russian beat a brit for the bronze and the commentator said she hopes the russian gets caught doping

 

[BullsFan22]

Wonder if Muir will be regarded as being a 'sour grape,' like Mears, Vogel, the French, etc were when they questioned the Brits on the Rio track.

Good thing the Russians aren't competing. We would never hear the end of it.

In the swimming a Russian beat a brit for the bronze and the commentator said she hopes the russian gets caught doping

I am not shocked. Certainly Adam Peaty showed all those dopers how it's done, racing clean.

 

[DanielSong39]

Wow, those British athletes are killing it in the Olympics... they're even ahead of China!

Let's hear it for marginal gains!

 

[sheisdisaster]

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East-Germany's doping program seems amateurish compared to what is happening currently in the UK. Very disturbing stuff.

Really? What *is* happening in the UK? I don't know. Do you?

Obvious state sponsored doping

'nuff said

 

[djpbaltimore]

What do those columns stand for?

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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What do those columns stand for?

From 2nd column on, for team GB: Gold medals, silver, bronze, total medals and place in medal table.

1st column, maybe number of Olympic athletes?

 

[djpbaltimore]

Thank you. The last column was the one I was really puzzled by. Hard to believe that they only got 1 gold medal in 1996.

 

[The Hitch]

I'm surprised Walsh and co haven't yet tried to make the argument that UK medals have increased as anti doping has improved. Epo era they weren't winning that much. Since 2008 when the blood passport came in, UK winning everything. Coincidence?

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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Hard to believe that they only got 1 gold medal in 1996.

That's what prompted the East-Germanization of their Olympic program.. They were really upset about Atlanta.

 

[domination]

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East-Germany's doping program seems amateurish compared to what is happening currently in the UK. Very disturbing stuff.

Really? What *is* happening in the UK? I don't know. Do you?

Obvious state sponsored doping

'nuff said

Only "obvious state sponsored doping" if you have done absolutely nil research. 1997 was the start of lottery funding with the sole intention of winning Olympic medals. Lo and behold there's been a linear progression since in line with increased funding every Olympic cycle;

http://www.uksport.gov.uk/about-us

 

[domination]

Some of the best track cyclists in the World are starting to cal it like they see it. People like Anna Meares and Vogels know their Track onions. That's all they do, that's all they've ever done and they know what's what. They've forgotten more about Track cycling than the peeps who accuse them of having sour grapes. When people of that kind of experience speak, we should listen.

They may know their onions, but the one thing they really know is their grapes - the sour ones. They've been beaten fair and square - again.

How can you know that? Fair and square! How?

Iain Dyer caught lying about teams not having same form as World championships when most performed better!

Take off the national health specs for a moment!

The British team hold back on all technology until the Olympics. It's such a straightforward explanation for the peaking but inconvenient for the preferred narrative on here, so the scoffing that certainly does go on is at such reasonable claims as marginal gains etc.

If you want to call if financial doping then fair enough. But that is the only form of doping going on.

Please produce evidence of the British using inferior technology at other events.

Only form of doping? How can you know?

The sports culture and history tell a very different story.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/olympic-cycling-medalist-mark-cavendish-rubbishes-claims-foul-play-team-gb-1576865

It's all out there if you actually wanted to look for it

 

[sheisdisaster]

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East-Germany's doping program seems amateurish compared to what is happening currently in the UK. Very disturbing stuff.

Really? What *is* happening in the UK? I don't know. Do you?

Obvious state sponsored doping

'nuff said

Only "obvious state sponsored doping" if you have done absolutely nil research. 1997 was the start of lottery funding with the sole intention of winning Olympic medals. Lo and behold there's been a linear progression since in line with increased funding every Olympic cycle;

http://www.uksport.gov.uk/about-us

deluded british people with colonial hangover & state propaganda

 

[Catwhoorg]

If you look at the whole table, 2000, 2004 were pretty much a return to/just ahead of post war historical levels of medals. (A few top #10s mostly low teens).
2008, 2012 (and 2016) are rankings teamGB haven't seen since the 1920s

1996 was an aberration to be sure.

 

[sheisdisaster]

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If you look at the whole table, 2000, 2004 were pretty much a return to/just ahead of post war historical levels of medals. (A few top #10s mostly low teens).
2008, 2012 (and 2016) are rankings teamGB haven't seen since the 1920s

1996 was an aberration to be sure.

Really? "return to/just ahead" or twice as much gold