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Peter von

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Richard Plugge said he was told about the decision during the Christmas period and decided he wouldn't try and persuade him. " It is what it is"

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Plugge resignerede: - Hvad siger du så?

Simon Yates sagde stop, og så var det slut. Det erkendte Richard Plugge med det samme
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yeah, that's all you can do.

Sounds quite respectful and sensible from Plugge; tells us that Simon Yates doesn't make statements like this without giving it serious thoughts, and accepting that they simply have to deal with the situation.
They must hope the likes of Piganzoli and Lemmen can step up and that Kuss is can deliver the classic Kuss efforts on those 3-5 stages it is needed across Giro and the Tour. If power levels haven't shifted (in Vinogs favour) between Pogi and Jonas, Kuss isn't that essential at the Tour anyway.
 
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Will Yates be remembered for smashing the Finestre record (5 minutes faster than Froome's 2018 time) or for rage quitting with the January blues?
 
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Shame on everyone insinuating doping on X without any evidence or even an argument beyond pretending to be in disbelief that a human being quits his job in January.

For a moment, think that this decision may have been contemplated for a long time and may be due to health, either mental or physical, and that he does not want to share that with the world. Which is fully his right. Instead, he is dragged through the mud for absolutely no good reason.

And for the record, the blocking on X/Twitter happened years ago, in 2023. It is not recent at all, and it is not evidence of anything except how eagerly conspiracy theorists retrofit narratives to suit their suspicions.

Good riddance.
 
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I have this recurring dream of rage quitting my job, blocking everyone on linkedin and then begging my employers to take me back. Then I wake up and relax, knowing I have only 8 years left of jumping through hoops.
We never tell the whole truth.
 
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Cycling111

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Pozzovivo said:
Shame on everyone insinuating doping on X without any evidence or even an argument beyond pretending to be in disbelief that a human being quits his job in January.

For a moment, think that this decision may have been contemplated for a long time and may be due to health, either mental or physical, and that he does not want to share that with the world. Which is fully his right. Instead, he is dragged through the mud for absolutely no good reason.

And for the record, the blocking on X/Twitter happened years ago, in 2023. It is not recent at all, and it is not evidence of anything except how eagerly conspiracy theorists retrofit narratives to suit their suspicions.

Good riddance.
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To be fair, let's not blame only the users of X. There are clinic threads on this forum with worse insinuations from other cyclists.
 
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Forever The Best

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Was one of my favourite riders thanks to his aggressive style back dating back to 2016-17 and was really happy when he stole the Giro from Del Toro. He had a very good career for someone who was very inconsistent even during the GTs. Worth noting that his high level was very high though. And the way he won the Giro was basically movie stuff, winning it where he lost 7 years ago.

Riders like him and Carapaz were basically the last remainders of the past in this robotic era.
 
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Forever The Best said:
Was one of my favourite riders thanks to his aggressive style back dating back to 2016-17 and was really happy when he stole the Giro from Del Toro. He had a very good career for someone who was very inconsistent even during the GTs. Worth noting that his high level was very high though. And the way he won the Giro was basically movie stuff, winning it where he lost 7 years ago.

Riders like him and Carapaz were basically the last remainders of the past in this robotic era.
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The last great win for humanity in ciclismo
 
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Oldman

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Cycling111 said:
To be fair, let's not blame only the users of X. There are clinic threads on this forum with worse insinuations from other cyclists.
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To be fair to actual cyclists; most of those insinuations generate from basement riders. Not knowing the effort and pain to be a pro is a convenient ignorance when spouting opinion.
 
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'Basement dwellers' is basically as basement dweller of a counterargument one can make.

I shall not tolerate any more slander of basements.

Basement dwellers matter.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Rob5091 said:
So what was the timline for Visma announcing Vingegaard doing the Giro and Yates quitting? Also Vima's, oh yeah he told us about it and everything's hunky dory. WTF?! It's frinkin' January, you've a contract for 2026, and now you want to retire? Visma's lawyers should have been all over this ....
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ut-in-keeping-with-burnout-claims-says-expert
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IMHO it's rather easy to guess on what was going on behind the scenes:

cyclinguptodate.com

Simon Yates wants "No 1 on his back" at Giro 2026 but admits Jonas Vingegaard may have final say: "There's a lot of decision-making behind the scenes, a lot of discussions"

Simon Yates says he wants to defend his Giro d’Italia title next May — but admits Team Visma | Lease a Bike have not yet confirmed whether he will be on the start line. Speaking to Eurosport/TNT Spor...
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Rob5091 said:
So what was the timline for Visma announcing Vingegaard doing the Giro and Yates quitting? Also Vima's, oh yeah he told us about it and everything's hunky dory. WTF?! It's frinkin' January, you've a contract for 2026, and now you want to retire? Visma's lawyers should have been all over this ....
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What do you imagine Visma's lawyers could / should have been doing? Visma evidently made a choice. Yates gets to make a choice in response. In my view, retiring is far more admirable than quiet quitting and taking the money.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Offering Simon one GT as a helper and one as a leader would likely satisfy all involved (Tour/Vuelta). What likely happened instead is requesting Giro/Tour participation as helper and that was realistically never going to work. If that is what happened then the mistake was made on Visma side. Maybe they will tell us more in the future.
 
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AmRacer

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CyclistAbi said:
Offering Simon one GT as a helper and one as a leader would likely satisfy all involved (Tour/Vuelta). What likely happened instead is requesting Giro/Tour participation as helper and that was realistically never going to work. If that is what happened then the mistake was made on Visma side. Maybe they will tell us more in the future.
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There's no mistake, Jonas >>> Simon
 
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