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What a trash thread.
I wonder how many of you would go public with such crap
if you couldn't hide behind anonymous aliases.

Dale Phelps,
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Martin said:
First of all he should blame himself for a shameful victory in a stage to Liege in 1995 Tour de France edition. I never saw such as shameful victory (before or after), the day, when he sat back on Indurains rear wheel (all the time) and finally DID TAKE THE WIN (even if yellow jersey was his for sure) is a day to remember.:mad:

in my opinion, it's fair in sport- he should deny himself a chance ( and it is still a chance until the line is crossed) of victory in deference to his opponent ? when you play poker, do you let the better man take the pot ? do you enter a race to lose or to win ?

doping is cheating- racing is not
 
Laszlo said:
in my opinion, it's fair in sport- he should deny himself a chance ( and it is still a chance until the line is crossed) of victory in deference to his opponent ? when you play poker, do you let the better man take the pot ? do you enter a race to lose or to win ?

doping is cheating- racing is not

well.. we're talking about cycling, not poker. i can't believe you'd be proud of this kind of victory if you'd take it. this is not a way how you should win, as well, as not take doping!!!!!
if i'd like to be polite, i'd call it pyrrhic victory, but defenitly the worst one...
 
Aug 17, 2009
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Pereiro

flicker said:
You are right, my spelling is atrocious. I will try to be more careful and not offend.
Hey I didn't know Perreo rode for Valverde. I love the Spainish riders and climbers. My issue with him is that when he won in 06 every darn rider in the top 10 looked to be enhanced or were later proven dirty. I then became suspicious because Floyd being American I feel was unfairly targeted.
If a crash ruined his 09 season I am truly sorry for him..... NOT a nice way to go.

I cant believe you criticise Pereiro without even knowing much about him.
The 2006 tour was no different from 2005 and most of the previous years since the late 90s everyone is under suspicion. Even now everyone seems to be put under suspicion. That is a clinic topic. Aside from Landis do tell me anyone else in the top 10 from 2006 that was later positive??

Pereiro deserved to win no question he took an opportunity when given with a great breakaway and dug deep in the other mountain stages and TT. He was bold enough to attack in a period when everyone was too scared to try anything aggressive. He has always been an aggressive rider like a lot of the Caisse guys and has fantastic all round cycling skills and is rewarded with wins.

What is terrible is that it looked like he inherited victory because Landis cheated. He didn't get to step up on the podium or be treated like the real winner because Landis dragged it through courts for months.

Pereiro is scarred mentally and wants to retire that is sad but understandable. If you fell 50 feet off the side of the road onto your back and broke several bones it would be hard to find the racing nerve
 
craig1985 said:
One day I'm going to work out who is more cynical, you or blackcat.
What was cynical about this post?
I avoided giving my opinion on BGH's 2005 Tour performance, so as not to offend.
I gave the valid reason he was in the break and didn't have to work.
I gave the options he had, the one he took and a good reason for his choice.

I thought a popular winner in unpopular circumstances was a fair sumation, given that, over the years, this has been a subject of heated debate.

Yet, you seem to have no issue with stuff like this:

flicker said:
If Hincapie sucked a wheel Peiro or whatever that guys name who inherited Flandis' tdf victory he should have played a little trackie tactics, It is racing ain't it! I do not respect Peiro or whatever his name is and quitting racing without truly defending his Maillot Junne. He is a quitter and is going out like a lamb.


:confused:
 
cyclingmad said:
I cant believe you criticise Pereiro without even knowing much about him.
The 2006 tour was no different from 2005 and most of the previous years since the late 90s everyone is under suspicion. Even now everyone seems to be put under suspicion. That is a clinic topic. Aside from Landis do tell me anyone else in the top 10 from 2006 that was later positive??

Pereiro deserved to win no question he took an opportunity when given with a great breakaway and dug deep in the other mountain stages and TT. He was bold enough to attack in a period when everyone was too scared to try anything aggressive. He has always been an aggressive rider like a lot of the Caisse guys and has fantastic all round cycling skills and is rewarded with wins.

What is terrible is that it looked like he inherited victory because Landis cheated. He didn't get to step up on the podium or be treated like the real winner because Landis dragged it through courts for months.

Pereiro is scarred mentally and wants to retire that is sad but understandable. If you fell 50 feet off the side of the road onto your back and broke several bones it would be hard to find the racing nerve

I agree, absolutely.
 
Sep 18, 2009
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usedtobefast said:
so vino had nothing to do with it? based on what?:cool:

What are you looking for, solid proof? Who am I? Perry Mason! Give me a break. I made an observation based on what I heard from his interviews, and what I've witnessed of his team tactics.

It's the same as Chris Carmichael claiming that his training tecniques alone created the Champion results of Lance. That's just huburous! Lance is/was a freak of genetics. He could have eaten snickers bars exclusively and still won 7 tours.

Bruyneel is no better than say, Riis at managing a team. However, Riis did not have a genetically blessed mutant llike Lance in his prime. Does that make Bruyneel better? No, I believe he had the luck of the draw.

I'm sorry that I put down Leipheimer, I just think that he should get out of Lance's shadow. He is a champion in his own right and lance will not allow him to shine. Lance is selfish!
 
This is Bruyneel himself trying to fool the entire world by blaming Vino for his trouble with Astana, when the reality is that deep inside he's thankful for the entire incident, since it gave him the perfect exit door to join LA. seems to me that the Kazakhs realized how full of **** he is, and knew that all the promises of creating the foundation for a "kazakh nurturing cycling talent " won't find any national riders getting even selected/promoted for grand tours, and his greedy approach would only fill his pockets with the endorsement contracts signed by AC and the others-but the spell disappeared once the texan decided to enforce his old way to do things, just to encounter that the Kazakhs wouldn't bite on his fake campaign...
 
I think the bigger question here is why would Bruyneel choose to side with LA over AC? Clearly loyalty is a huge factor and LA made Bruyneel who he is today, but one would think if Bruyneel wanted to continue his winning ways it would be time for him to move forward with Contador winning Grand Tours.
 

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hfer07 said:
This is Bruyneel himself trying to fool the entire world by blaming Vino for his trouble with Astana, when the reality is that deep inside he's thankful for the entire incident, since it gave him the perfect exit door to join LA....

Exactly - Bruyneel went to Astana as General Manager - and in his contract it stated he did not have to hire Vino, Kashechkin AND Klöden.

Vino made a huge mistake in his public comments in Monaco at the start of the Tour and Bruyneel has made the most of that situation.

Bruyneel had retired after the Discovery team had stopped - so I expect him to retire again once LA is finished his racing career.