How's this for a Hollywood ending? Lance sneaks away on the run into Paris and the whole peloton sits up and soft-pedals.
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ustabe said:
Have fun spanking it to that fantasy while the rest of the world watches Lance lose time "on purpose."
ustabe said:
How about this one: Takes place in Federal prison
Bubba "So Lance, you wanna be mama, or you wanna be papa"
Lance "I guess I want to be papa"
Bubba "Alright then, come on down here and suck mama good"
ustabe said:
I'd say there is a better chance of getting Ricardo Montalbon to do another episode of Fantasy Island.
ustabe said:
There is cancer at the back of the pack too!
pharmboy is just showing us all how much cancer sucks......without meds.
In my view, no "great" champion loses on purpose. If that is what Lance is doing then shame on him.
If there was no TTT last year, Lance would not have been on the podium. He showed last year, he is a horrible teammate. This year is is proving it again.
If there was no TTT last year, Lance would not have been on the podium. He showed last year, he is a horrible teammate. This year is is proving it again.
Moose McKnuckles said:
Moose, you miss the point. That would would be what is called a "Pyrrhic victory."
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Cobblestones said:
No - its actually written into the UCI rules that the organizer has to provide meals and housing for teams (riders and staff) at all international races - including the Tour.
Teams often don't know until 1-2 weeks before the race where they'll be staying. Sometimes you don't know until you get there. Sometimes you know your first hotel a couple of weeks out, and the rest is a mystery 'till you get there. It really varies.
Section 2.2.009 and 2.2.010 of the UCI Road rules lay out the stipulations of participation allowances and obligations of the organizer for housing teams.
This pez article gives a pretty good overview of how it works too.
ustabe said:
No, not really. Pyrrhus was trying to win the war. Lance gave up winning the war many stages ago. If he wins a stage it'll be because he's completely irrelevant to the GC. Which would actually be more a slap in the face to his legacy rather than any meaningful addition to his palmares.
shouldawouldacoulda said:
Ah thanks for that. Now of course your answer made me ask a follow-up question:
You mention that the organizers have to provide housing and meals. Just a few weeks ago we had a thread about Saxo's new kitchen bus, which makes me suspect that most teams provide at least their own meals. Does it happen that teams make their own arrangements and decline what is provided by the organizers?
So if it only underlined Lance's irrelevance, a stage win would be a Pyrrhic victory, no? You don't think the peloton would soft-pedal out of respect, do you? Look, even if Contador gifted Rodriguez stage 12, he honored him by making him work for it.Moose McKnuckles said:
Don't fight, we're working the same side of the fence, we just misunderstood each other.
ustabe said:
The only point I'm trying to make is that Lance is going for a win in a single battle, which is irrelevant to the war. Pyrrhus was fighting the battle with the intention of winning the war. Lance is in no position to do so anyway, so his victory would not even rise to the term Pyrrhic.
Sure, others want to win the stage, but the GC contenders only care about one thing: the GC.
Of course, in the end, I don't think our semantic disagreement really matters. Whether Lance wins a stage or not is entirely meaningless.
Cobblestones said:
Yah, meals are provided. But teams have no control of the menu... so in bigger races they'll bring their own chef and prepare their own meals.
This creates a lot of wasted food at the banquet room
In smaller races teams will pretty much eat whatever the organizer has arranged. But at breakfast the soigneurs almost always bring a team food box - with cereal, jam, soya milk and whatever specific things the riders want. So the riders can pick and choose from the buffet and the team food box.
Onward, then!Moose McKnuckles said:
****, talking about Lance is such a bummer. I'm going to hang out over at the Vinokourov thread.
Moose McKnuckles said:
We can hope!
Vino doesn't need to whack LA with his front wheel after the race since he can kick his #%& during the race itself.
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