Cadel Evans Discussion Thread

[Afrank]

Screwed by DI2.

Nibali decided cables were the safer option.

Is it confirmed that his mechanical was caused by DI2? Would make sense if it was. Would be nice if Evans and BMC would expand more on it, instead of just calling it a "technical problem."


Glad to see Evans on the podium though, that's a good achievement for a 36 year old. Was a good decision for him to go to the Giro this year, as he probably wouldn't/won't have much chance of making the podium in France.

 

[BroDeal]

Is it confirmed that his mechanical was caused by DI2? Would make sense if it was. Would be nice if Evans and BMC would expand more on it, instead of just calling it a "technical problem."

You expect the team to publicly say its man's race was torpedoed by its sponsor's multi-thousand dollar, solution in search of a problem?

 

[Afrank]

You expect the team to publicly say its man's race was torpedoed by its sponsor's multi-thousand dollar, solution in search of a problem?

No, when you put it that way, makes sense that they would just call it a technical problem.

 

[Lion of Flanders]

True. There was no way he would have made up on Uran even gears were ok. He just didn't have the power. Considering that he was not in great shape prior to the Giro, this is a wonderful result. So enjoy the podium Evans

Also recall on the Galibier in the tour in 2011 when he decided that he couldn't hack the pace that Contador was going, he stopped with a "mechanical" and dropped back to his team.....

 

[Polyarmour]

True. There was no way he would have made up on Uran even gears were ok. He just didn't have the power. Considering that he was not in great shape prior to the Giro, this is a wonderful result. So enjoy the podium Evans

I disagree, if Evans rode up that final slope 2 gears higher than he wanted, that would easily account for the difference in final time.

 

[movingtarget]

He'd better have gone deep, he was very lucky with the stage cancellation and whatever to snatch this podium.

This will be his last GT podium in his career, that's a given.

Even if that were so. His record is a good one and unlike his main adversaries throughout his career he is one of the only ones left without some sort of stain on his reputation or stench hanging over his head. Contador, Levi, Menchov, Armstrong, Killer, Basso, VDV, Vino, Frank Schleck, Ullrich etc..........I guess we will never know how good the record should have been.

 

[movingtarget]

I heard he had to get out of there fast because his dog was cold.

Such wit. Ever thought of a career in stand up comedy ?

 

[phanatic]

Yes GTs. Weighting the Tour higher for obvious reasons and counting his WT as well as it was raced on a course not suited to sprinters.

Sastre is very close to Evans in GT's. They went back and forth with each other for a few years at the TDF. Even those two weak years for Evans were matched by Sastre coming up well short of a top ten. Sastre being weak at the 2009 Tour followed podiums in three consecutive GT's (1, 3, 3).

 

[Walkman]

Also recall on the Galibier in the tour in 2011 when he decided that he couldn't hack the pace that Contador was going, he stopped with a "mechanical" and dropped back to his team.....

This is the dumbest thing ever. Do you really think Evans would throw away a chance of wining the Tour just so he can say it was because of a mechanical instead of admitting the others were better?

Why did he not change bike in -07? And in -08? And heck, why did he not change bike in the vuelta -09?

Evans has shown time and time again that he is a fighter and always comes to race so you "theory" is beyond ridiculous, it't pathetic.

I can't even comprehend how a thinking individual can come up with that idea.

 

[ultimobici]

I don't buy the "mechanical" on this occasion. In the Mountain TT he lost 2:36 to Nibali and 2 days later he loses more time. Technical Issue my backside!

 

[Cookster15]

This is the dumbest thing ever. Do you really think Evans would throw away a chance of wining the Tour just so he can say it was because of a mechanical instead of admitting the others were better?

Why did he not change bike in -07? And in -08? And heck, why did he not change bike in the vuelta -09?

Evans has shown time and time again that he is a fighter and always comes to race so you "theory" is beyond ridiculous, it't pathetic.

I can't even comprehend how a thinking individual can come up with that idea.

Yep, anyone watching that stage in 2011 would remember how straight after his bike change on the Telegraph Evans showed ZERO physical weakness whatsoever. In fact he eventually bridged a 2 minute gap to Contador and A.Schleck before the foot of Alpe d'Huez. Then he had the strength to even throw in a few attacks of his own on the Alpe. If he was trying to hide a physical deficiency that year who in their right mind would fake a mechanical - far fetched in the extreme. It defies belief. Occam's razor must apply.

As for now, a Di2 malfunction is quite feasible in those snowy conditions and being stuck 2 gears too high would certainly cost time. Plus reading his reactions after the stage it didn't sound like he was too impressed with the team. If his legs folded I think his reaction would be a little more sheepish.

 

[Franklin]

Also recall on the Galibier in the tour in 2011 when he decided that he couldn't hack the pace that Contador was going, he stopped with a "mechanical" and dropped back to his team.....

Lol what?

"I can win the TdF, but let's stop because that way I have an excuse"

And he was so bad hacking the pace of Contador that he bridged the gap and lead the climb to the Alpe. He was imply so destroyed that he had to lead them out.

Very plausible...

 

[Franklin]

Good post Ulle, a man who knows what he is talking about.

Evans used to fade during the last week when he was younger. Now at his current age and with a hard Giro in his legs, it is hard not to predict a third week slump at the Tour.

Bro, I posted the results of Cadel's TT's in an earlier post. Your position that his first TT was better has been proven to be false.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1243422&postcount=552

I haven't seen a reaction on those facts yet

 

[movingtarget]

Bro, I posted the results of Cadel's TT's in an earlier post. Your position that his first TT was better has been proven to be false.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1243422&postcount=552

I haven't seen a reaction on those facts yet

Forget it. The non Evans fans can't handle the fact that he made the podium. Unlike others he finished the race and has completed all of his grand tours even the ones in 2009 and 2010 where he had no reason to continue. .

 

[movingtarget]

I don't buy the "mechanical" on this occasion. In the Mountain TT he lost 2:36 to Nibali and 2 days later he loses more time. Technical Issue my backside!

He was definitely closing on Uran after not handling the early pace when Nibali went but the later steeper sections hurt him. Who knows if he would have got back ? He did seem to be riding much too big a gear even by his standards. Guess it goes down in history along with other events in the race. Betancur was the ride of the day after his bad luck at the bottom of the climb.

 

[roundabout]

Bro, I posted the results of Cadel's TT's in an earlier post. Your position that his first TT was better has been proven to be false.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1243422&postcount=552

I haven't seen a reaction on those facts yet

years missing, years where there was one ITT included, and of course 2007.

 

[The Hitch]

Even if that were so. His record is a good one and unlike his main adversaries throughout his career he is one of the only ones left without some sort of stain on his reputation or stench hanging over his head. Contador, Levi, Menchov, Armstrong, Killer, Basso, VDV, Vino, Frank Schleck, Ullrich etc..........I guess we will never know how good the record should have been.

WHat does that matter? They never did a thing Evans didn't.

 

[Franklin]

years missing, years where there was one ITT included, and of course 2007.

perhaps you need to look again. 2007 was included... and it might surprise you

Then the years missing:

2009 one TT. A bit hard to say his second ITT was worse, but I included 2005, so a ffair point. Lets grant that a Yes.
2010 one TT. Both ITT's bad, but with an added complication, a hairline fracture. It's a yes if we are talking about 166th as a serious attempt.

Even if we grant the 2010 result a yes it's fifty-fifty, which is a clear rebuff of Brodeal's claim that his second TT is usually worse.

A nice admission that I'm absolutely right on the TT's is in place wouldn't you say?

 

[movingtarget]

WHat does that matter? They never did a thing Evans didn't.

Funny how some people go an entire career without a problem ? Is that actually even possible for the better riders ? I still believe there are some riders doing the right thing, until I hear otherwise I will assume he is one of them. Hopefully his autobiography does not have an extra chapter when he gets around to writing it. Usually I'm not an optimist but for some reason I am in this instance.

 

[Walkman]

WHat does that matter? They never did a thing Evans didn't.

Hahaha, it must be so painful for you that all those has gotten caught (especially AC) while Evans is still cle*n as a whistle.

 

[roundabout]

perhaps you need to look again. 2007 was included... and it might surprise you

Then the years missing:

2009 one TT. A bit hard to say his second ITT was worse, but I included 2005, so a ffair point. Lets grant that a Yes.
2010 one TT. Both ITT's bad, but with an added complication, a hairline fracture. It's a yes if we are talking about 166th as a serious attempt.

Even if we grant the 2010 result a yes it's fifty-fifty, which is a clear rebuff of Brodeal's claim that his second TT is usually worse.

A nice admission that I'm absolutely right on the TT's is in place wouldn't you say?

Uh, first in Albi and second in the last TT.

Of course one can make the argument that Albi was more Evans friendly course. But then again, making nuanced arguments is a bit more difficult than patting yourself on the back wouldn't you say?

 

[The Hitch]

Evans said he should have been 2nd in this giro but the "mechanical" yesterday.


Uran won the stage to Montasio, beat Evans on Jafferau, finished with him on Galibier, the climb that suited Evans most, crushed him on the mtt, and with the bonus seconds only needed to beat Evans on Tre Cime for 2 seconds.

But on this climb, the one which suits Uran most and Evans least, Evans doesn't give Uran a chance of taking 2 seconds

 

[del1962]

And don't forget Uran lost time waiting for Wiggo

 

[Franklin]

Uh, first in Albi and second in the last TT.

Of course one can make the argument that Albi was more Evans friendly course. But then again, making nuanced arguments is a bit more difficult than patting yourself on the back wouldn't you say?

No, actually you are wrong. 2nd behind Vino and 2nd behind Levi. Both lost the victory by now. Guess who won both TT's? Yep... Cadel Evans. Are you going to argue that winning the second TT is worse than winning the first?

See, it's actually both easy to give the facts and pat myself on the back. Of course it's quite recent, so the facts are easy to find, which makes this discussion so hilarious.

 

[roundabout]

oh, right, I forgot about the time when Levi went back to the dark side after stopping